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Post by kerryexile on Nov 21, 2019 23:23:14 GMT
Tend to stay off these sites in off season but this is just garbage. Kerry conditioning was were it should be for 19 and 20 year olds in the first year. They were playing seasoned champions. I personally didn't like the tactics in the replay but that was a judgment call by a management team that almost everything right this year. I am not averse to criticism or dissenting views and I don’t, in general, engage in extensive bilateral discussions with people on this forum. If the opinion is intelligible, I respond. If the opinion is too emotionally charged I’m not going to get sucked into a long back and forth debate and “one-up-manship” that goes nowhere. Sometimes, the ease with which we succumb to the deadly habit of cutting people out of their own observations and opinions and yes, sometimes well informed facts, on this forum is demonstrated with precision in your post. The simplest and most obvious “flaw” in you statement is that no member of the Kerry panel was 19yrs. One of the starting 15 (D.C.) was 20 and one other (D. O’C) was also 20yrs. Thereafter: - 3 were 21 yrs - 3 were 22yrs - 4 were 23yrs. - 2 were 25 and the remainder older again. Dublin's Ciaran Kilkenny is 26 and has 6 All-Ireland medals. Cormac Costello is 25 and has 5. Brian Howard is 22 and has 3. Jordan Larmour was old enough to play World Cup rugby at 22. I could go on but you can do your own reading. It is obvious that you are dealing with denial and resistance to validate your own opinions. Once we have a belief about something, our brains starts to actively filter for evidence that our belief is correct. You can, if you so wish, describe my opinion as “garbage”. Rudeness is unrelated to wisdom, the gift of which you believe yourself to be exclusively possessed. End of year Management Review is undertaken to assess the performances throughout the whole year. Performance review, by definition, is information that is distilled too late to matter - unless it is acted on promptly and firmly. Mistakes are tolerated as a means of learning. Ascribing negative results on a false premise, yet feeling entirely responsible for good results should not be acceptable. Here is Kerry, we attach great store on the ‘cute hoor’ approach and tend to be allergic to openly questioning anything that might reflect badly on us. I understand that, but personally I’d much rather tip the scale in favour of honesty, humility and tolerance. Good post Taibhse. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 22, 2019 9:34:10 GMT
I am not averse to criticism or dissenting views and I don’t, in general, engage in extensive bilateral discussions with people on this forum. If the opinion is intelligible, I respond. If the opinion is too emotionally charged I’m not going to get sucked into a long back and forth debate and “one-up-manship” that goes nowhere. Sometimes, the ease with which we succumb to the deadly habit of cutting people out of their own observations and opinions and yes, sometimes well informed facts, on this forum is demonstrated with precision in your post. The simplest and most obvious “flaw” in you statement is that no member of the Kerry panel was 19yrs. One of the starting 15 (D.C.) was 20 and one other (D. O’C) was also 20yrs. Thereafter: - 3 were 21 yrs - 3 were 22yrs - 4 were 23yrs. - 2 were 25 and the remainder older again. Dublin's Ciaran Kilkenny is 26 and has 6 All-Ireland medals. Cormac Costello is 25 and has 5. Brian Howard is 22 and has 3. Jordan Larmour was old enough to play World Cup rugby at 22. I could go on but you can do your own reading. It is obvious that you are dealing with denial and resistance to validate your own opinions. Once we have a belief about something, our brains starts to actively filter for evidence that our belief is correct. You can, if you so wish, describe my opinion as “garbage”. Rudeness is unrelated to wisdom, the gift of which you believe yourself to be exclusively possessed. End of year Management Review is undertaken to assess the performances throughout the whole year. Performance review, by definition, is information that is distilled too late to matter - unless it is acted on promptly and firmly. Mistakes are tolerated as a means of learning. Ascribing negative results on a false premise, yet feeling entirely responsible for good results should not be acceptable. Here is Kerry, we attach great store on the ‘cute hoor’ approach and tend to be allergic to openly questioning anything that might reflect badly on us. I understand that, but personally I’d much rather tip the scale in favour of honesty, humility and tolerance. Good post Taibhse. Not in tune with the specifics here but if it boils down to straight talking or not then I'd be with the former. I have raised a number of issues on here that would better Kerry GAA, only to be shot down. Maybe those who know better get on with life, taking the view that the forum doesn't bring about change, and in which case we lose the opportunity to better things. This phenomenon is hardly confined to things GAA and which is probably why society has so many cracks. Quote of the day 'Tis fine to know what is right, 'tis another thing to do it |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 22, 2019 12:59:32 GMT
Tend to stay off these sites in off season but this is just garbage. Kerry conditioning was were it should be for 19 and 20 year olds in the first year.They were playing seasoned champions. I personally didn't like the tactics in the replay but that was a judgment call by a management team that almost everything right this year. I don't see a huge number of 19 and 20 year olds on the pitch in the final 10 minutes of the drawn final or the replay. I don't understand the point you are making in referencing 19 and 20 year olds. Could you explain it to me? KERRY drawn game: Shane Ryan; Jason Foley, Tom O’Sullivan, Tadhg Morley; Paul Murphy, Gavin Crowley, Brian O Beaglaoich; David Moran, Jack Barry; Diarmuid O’Connor, Sean O’Shea, Adrian Spillane; David Clifford, Paul Geaney, Stephen O’Brien. Subs: Jack Sherwood for O Beaglaoich (52), Gavin White for A Spillane (52), Tommy Walsh for O’Connor (55), Killian Spillane for Murphy (60), James O’Donoghue for Barry (65), Dara Moynihan for Crowley (70+1). Kerry replay 1. S Ryan; 2. J Foley, 3. T Morley, 4. T O’Sullivan; 7. B Ó Beaglaoich, 5. P Murphy, 6. G Crowley; 8. D Moran, 9. J Barry; 23. D O’Connor, 11. S O’Shea (0-5, two frees), 15. A Spillane (0-1); 14. P Geaney (0-4), 13. D Clifford (0-5, two frees), 12. S O’Brien. Subs: 19. J Sherwood for Ó Beaglaoich (52 mins), 10. G White for A Spillane (52 mins), 21. T Walsh for O’Connor (56 mins), 18. K Spillane for Murphy (60 mins), 26. J O’Donoghue for Barry (65 mins), 20 D Moynihan for Crowley (72 mins). I count 4 starters to have played in an all Ireland final before this year's final and 2 subs likewise. If I am wrong with the ages then I apologise but you get the point,There is no comparison to a rookie team playing a semi professional outfit like Dublin. If you want to question S&C then give them the time as men to develop. Kerry did really well this year far exceeding the expectations that were expressed in the county over last winter. |
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Post by southward on Nov 22, 2019 13:55:15 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2019 14:17:19 GMT
I don't see a huge number of 19 and 20 year olds on the pitch in the final 10 minutes of the drawn final or the replay. I don't understand the point you are making in referencing 19 and 20 year olds. Could you explain it to me? KERRY drawn game: Shane Ryan; Jason Foley, Tom O’Sullivan, Tadhg Morley; Paul Murphy, Gavin Crowley, Brian O Beaglaoich; David Moran, Jack Barry; Diarmuid O’Connor, Sean O’Shea, Adrian Spillane; David Clifford, Paul Geaney, Stephen O’Brien. Subs: Jack Sherwood for O Beaglaoich (52), Gavin White for A Spillane (52), Tommy Walsh for O’Connor (55), Killian Spillane for Murphy (60), James O’Donoghue for Barry (65), Dara Moynihan for Crowley (70+1). Kerry replay 1. S Ryan; 2. J Foley, 3. T Morley, 4. T O’Sullivan; 7. B Ó Beaglaoich, 5. P Murphy, 6. G Crowley; 8. D Moran, 9. J Barry; 23. D O’Connor, 11. S O’Shea (0-5, two frees), 15. A Spillane (0-1); 14. P Geaney (0-4), 13. D Clifford (0-5, two frees), 12. S O’Brien. Subs: 19. J Sherwood for Ó Beaglaoich (52 mins), 10. G White for A Spillane (52 mins), 21. T Walsh for O’Connor (56 mins), 18. K Spillane for Murphy (60 mins), 26. J O’Donoghue for Barry (65 mins), 20 D Moynihan for Crowley (72 mins). I count 4 starters to have played in an all Ireland final before this year's final and 2 subs likewise. If I am wrong with the ages then I apologise but you get the point,There is no comparison to a rookie team playing a semi professional outfit like Dublin. If you want to question S&C then give them the time as men to develop. Kerry did really well this year far exceeding the expectations that were expressed in the county over last winter. Most are 23 or 24 or over. I cant see much more room for development as men. Who are you referring to apart from DC, SOS and DOC |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 22, 2019 15:07:25 GMT
I count 4 starters to have played in an all Ireland final before this year's final and 2 subs likewise. If I am wrong with the ages then I apologise but you get the point,There is no comparison to a rookie team playing a semi professional outfit like Dublin. If you want to question S&C then give them the time as men to develop. Kerry did really well this year far exceeding the expectations that were expressed in the county over last winter. Most are 23 or 24 or over. I cant see much more room for development as men. Who are you referring to apart from DC, SOS and DOC The stamina required for football at the level of Dublin takes years not months. You may be physically big but it takes time to build the stamina. These guys mostly are new and haven't played at this level for more than 12 to 24 months. I've ran a few marathons and the difference between the first and last was the miles built up and the experience that you learn. It's similar in football, I think 2020 will be a big year for Kerry. |
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 22, 2019 16:05:49 GMT
Some dates for the Diaries Lads
Mc Grath Cup
Kerry v Cork 29th December Austin Stack Park @ 2pm
Tipperary v Kerry 5th January Clonmel Sportsfield @ 2pm
Final is fixed for the 11th of January - venue will depend on who is in it.
Munster Semi-final is 24th of May in Frank's Folly at 2pm
Munster Final Date Sunday the 21st of June
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2019 18:13:08 GMT
royalkerryfan.. i like your last line there.
I think we all agree that Kerry simply didnt convert their chances in the two matches v Dublin. To what extent, if any, is this down to S&C, fitness or stamina etc.
The Limerick hurlers have the same issue...they just about scraped it in 2018. Is there a parallel with Kerry there?
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Post by Galway breeze on Nov 22, 2019 20:21:41 GMT
Dublin must be in the same place as kerry in terms of developing players. Dublins starting 15 in this year's All Ireland had 13 players 28 years old and under bar Cluxy 37 and Fitzsimmons 30.infact 5 of those 13 were actually under 24. If the conditioning of players is not to blame why were so many players cramping and fell of the pace so early in the second half. Some folks talk about building stamina over the next few years, what a load of crap their not training for a Marathon racing(Aerobic/stamina)its gealic football energy system (anaerobic/speed)
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Post by clarinman on Nov 22, 2019 20:53:50 GMT
Dublin must be in the same place as kerry in terms of developing players. Dublins starting 15 in this year's All Ireland had 13 players 28 years old and under bar Cluxy 37 and Fitzsimmons 30.infact 5 of those 13 were actually under 24. If the conditioning of players is not to blame why were so many players cramping and fell of the pace so early in the second half. Some folks talk about building stamina over the next few years, what a load of crap their not training for a Marathon racing(Aerobic/stamina)its gealic football energy system (anaerobic/speed) I think the problem in the second game was we decided not to contest the Dublin kickouts. This resulted in Dublin dominating possession and Kerry players continuosly chasing trying to regain possession. For me this is why we were out on our feet for the last 20 minutes. That's down to tactics not conditioning. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 22, 2019 20:56:34 GMT
Dublin must be in the same place as kerry in terms of developing players. Dublins starting 15 in this year's All Ireland had 13 players 28 years old and under bar Cluxy 37 and Fitzsimmons 30.infact 5 of those 13 were actually under 24. If the conditioning of players is not to blame why were so many players cramping and fell of the pace so early in the second half. Some folks talk about building stamina over the next few years, what a load of crap their not training for a Marathon racing(Aerobic/stamina)its gealic football energy system (anaerobic/speed) Think you missed my point. My comparison with marathon running is your stronger after a few than you are after your first. Dublin have been at this level for a while at the start of this year there were fears that we might struggle in division 1 let alone contend for a championship. Some perspective is required here, Going back to the marathon comparison after 3 or 4 you know what's coming and Dublin had that knowledge, We had fellas that probably lost plenty of nervous energy and didn't have that past experience to revert too. |
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 23, 2019 1:39:16 GMT
I ‘m sure Peter has already gathered the troops in preparation for next year. If he has started by splitting hairs about stamina and experience, we won’t get out of Munster.
I’ve said it several times, the team that will beat Dublin will beat them playing football, not in stamina. If stamina were the deciding factor then Wicklow could start a 4 year plan and win the AIF in 2023. This year we had 4 forwards, 3 maybe 4 defenders and 1 midfielder and Dublin only beat us between approx. minute 150 and minute 160 of a 2 game battle. Peter, Donie, Maurice and the others know that completing the attacking and defencive structures is the way to win.
You would normally expect a team with Dublin’s historical record to have about 5 Connollys. They don’t. The 1 they have is there because in spite of a lot of disrespect, Gavin knows that 1 Connolly is better than no Connolly and that is the decision of a good manager. The fact is they do not have a team of exceptionally talented footballers. Afterall the discussion here is about stamina.
What I am saying here about our structure this year is no disrespect to players like Killian Spillane and others who did themselves proud in a limited number of appearances over the season but we need to get to a point where we know that before the team is announced that the opposition will be dealing with 6 scoring forwards and that 1 is not a supporting midfield and another supporting the half back line.
When we have a complete team the stamina will look after itself.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 23, 2019 10:38:56 GMT
Dublin never allow MDMA take three or four pot shots for points in a game as he is not clinical in that department.
The only man allowed do so is Mannion. Most other scoring efforts are simple scores at the end of intricate movements.
Over the two games Kerry left a rake of scores behind. Wides are just giving possession to Cluxton to launch another attack.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 24, 2019 17:34:42 GMT
November 24, 2019
Kerry's Mikey Geaney has announced his inter-county retirement.
The 30-year-old Dingle attacker had been a member of the Kerry panel since 2012 when he made his debut in an Allianz League game against Down. A cousin of All Star Paul Geaney and a younger brother of former Kerry player David Geaney, Mikey won an All-Ireland SFC medal with the Kingdom in 2014 and is also the holder of one Allianz League and seven Munster SFC medals.
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Post by glengael on Nov 30, 2019 23:39:13 GMT
That new jersey is not to my liking. There was no need to do anything with the existing one ( except to bin the mustard coloured version).
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 1, 2019 9:50:06 GMT
Kerry squad assembled yesterday in preparation for next year - returning to the fold are Cormac Coffey, Pa Kilkenny and Mike Potts - new faces in Tony Brosnan, Paudie Clifford, Sean T Dillon, Adam Donoghue, John M Foley, Eoghan O'Brien and Barry O'Mahony - McGrath Cup up first on 29th Dec when many of the squad will be in Thailand.
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 1, 2019 13:18:22 GMT
No Liam Kearney?
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 1, 2019 14:22:44 GMT
Kearney was part of the squad this year |
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Post by mossie on Dec 2, 2019 23:16:45 GMT
That new jersey is not to my liking. There was no need to do anything with the existing one ( except to bin the mustard coloured version). absolutely. don't like the route where this is going at all, the 2019 regular jersey was the finest , to be changing it so soon and to a jersey that is not near as nice is not good enough. change for change sake or some other sake any statement made by the board why we are changing? |
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Post by mossie on Dec 2, 2019 23:18:09 GMT
Kerry squad assembled yesterday in preparation for next year - returning to the fold are Cormac Coffey, Pa Kilkenny and Mike Potts - new faces in Tony Brosnan, Paudie Clifford, Sean T Dillon, Adam Donoghue, John M Foley, Eoghan O'Brien and Barry O'Mahony - McGrath Cup up first on 29th Dec when many of the squad will be in Thailand. be interesting to see how many of these are still in squad come the summer. I can see a few certainly |
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 3, 2019 0:09:39 GMT
That new jersey is not to my liking. There was no need to do anything with the existing one ( except to bin the mustard coloured version). absolutely. don't like the route where this is going at all, the 2019 regular jersey was the finest , to be changing it so soon and to a jersey that is not near as nice is not good enough. change for change sake or some other sake any statement made by the board why we are changing? The sleeves look awful when they are on a person. Looks like no sleeves at all. Like an Afl vest |
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Post by tonydorigo on Dec 3, 2019 9:06:51 GMT
Kerry squad assembled yesterday in preparation for next year - returning to the fold are Cormac Coffey, Pa Kilkenny and Mike Potts - new faces in Tony Brosnan, Paudie Clifford, Sean T Dillon, Adam Donoghue, John M Foley, Eoghan O'Brien and Barry O'Mahony - McGrath Cup up first on 29th Dec when many of the squad will be in Thailand. be interesting to see how many of these are still in squad come the summer. I can see a few certainly Out of all those Tony Brosnan, Paudie Clifford, John M Foley, Eoghan O'Brien and possibly Barry O'Mahony could contribute. Brosnan adds more firepower, Clifford could slip into the half forward line where we have a vacancy, Barry Mahony probably best used as a half back rather midfield. Eoghan O'Brien a deserving of his call up. John M Foley is an interested one as we need more physical specimens around midfield. |
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Post by clarinman on Dec 3, 2019 9:44:14 GMT
Kerry squad assembled yesterday in preparation for next year - returning to the fold are Cormac Coffey, Pa Kilkenny and Mike Potts - new faces in Tony Brosnan, Paudie Clifford, Sean T Dillon, Adam Donoghue, John M Foley, Eoghan O'Brien and Barry O'Mahony - McGrath Cup up first on 29th Dec when many of the squad will be in Thailand. Has Kevin McCarthy returned to the squad? |
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 3, 2019 9:53:01 GMT
Kearney was part of the squad this year Is Mush inside? |
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Post by mossie on Dec 3, 2019 19:29:23 GMT
be interesting to see how many of these are still in squad come the summer. I can see a few certainly Out of all those Tony Brosnan, Paudie Clifford, John M Foley, Eoghan O'Brien and possibly Barry O'Mahony could contribute. Brosnan adds more firepower, Clifford could slip into the half forward line where we have a vacancy, Barry Mahony probably best used as a half back rather midfield. Eoghan O'Brien a deserving of his call up. John M Foley is an interested one as we need more physical specimens around midfield. Was really impressed with O'Brien in the county championship. a few of whom you mention will definitely still be there come the summer in the squad of 30. Clearly looking to beef up midfield options hence Barry O'Mahony and John Mark Foley are in. Interestingly John Mark's Dad and Barry's Dad were team mates when Kerry beat Waterford in the 1993 munster hurling championship |
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Post by mossie on Dec 3, 2019 19:30:14 GMT
absolutely. don't like the route where this is going at all, the 2019 regular jersey was the finest , to be changing it so soon and to a jersey that is not near as nice is not good enough. change for change sake or some other sake any statement made by the board why we are changing? The sleeves look awful when they are on a person. Looks like no sleeves at all. Like an Afl vest the jersey is just all over the place, surprised there isn't more furore about it |
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 3, 2019 21:03:37 GMT
Out of all those Tony Brosnan, Paudie Clifford, John M Foley, Eoghan O'Brien and possibly Barry O'Mahony could contribute. Brosnan adds more firepower, Clifford could slip in9to the half forward line where we have a vacancy, Barry Mahony probably best used as a half back rather midfield. Eoghan O'Brien a deserving of his call up. John M Foley is an interested one as we need more physical specimens around midfield. Was really impressed with O'Brien in the county championship. a few of whom you mention will definitely still be there come the summer in the squad of 30. Clearly looking to beef up midfield options hence Barry O'Mahony and John Mark Foley are in. Interestingly John Mark's Dad and Barry's Dad were team mates when Kerry beat Waterford in the 1993 munster hurling championship Was Sean O'Shea's Dad playing that day against Waterford? |
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Post by mossie on Dec 3, 2019 21:16:51 GMT
Was really impressed with O'Brien in the county championship. a few of whom you mention will definitely still be there come the summer in the squad of 30. Clearly looking to beef up midfield options hence Barry O'Mahony and John Mark Foley are in. Interestingly John Mark's Dad and Barry's Dad were team mates when Kerry beat Waterford in the 1993 munster hurling championship Was Sean O'Shea's Dad playing that day against Waterford? nope, but his uncle Mike Shea was playing midfield. ox of a man Seanie O'Shea was playing corner back, but it was the Dr Crokes Seanie Shea, brother of Pat |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 3, 2019 21:26:50 GMT
The sleeves look awful when they are on a person. Looks like no sleeves at all. Like an Afl vest the jersey is just all over the place, surprised there isn't more furore about it Yep it's appalling, first one I won't be buying. |
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 3, 2019 23:38:05 GMT
There is a finite amount of variations possible with the Kerry jersey i suppose.
After the brown monstrosity, I am thankful that there is green and gold in the new one
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