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Post by kerrygold on Oct 26, 2019 10:57:58 GMT
Lots of rumblings in the media about the tier 2 competition. The tier 2 counties could end it quickly enough by not playing in it. The backdoor competition played to a conclusion of one with that winner entering the final stages of the All-Ireland championship would probably have been a better fit and visually more acceptable to all. agree in theory but isnt part of the issue that you could have cork/kerry, mayo/galway/roscommon (or even 2 of them), Dongel, Tyrone, Monaghan all entering that quite quickly if they get a bad draw or draw each other. i do think however that the winner or last 2 of tier 2 need to enter the championship itself at some stage. Not sure what purpose the second tier championship provides while the backdoor concept is still in place. The back door played to the conclusion of one reentering the final stages of the championship would be epic. It might make some of the stronger counties rethink about finding themselves in it. Maybe seed the 3rd & 4th division teams in the back door to meet each other so they can progress a few rounds through the backdoor. It might be more beneficial than playing in the B championship...........playing better teams as they progress. You could argue that the main championship and now the B championship is doing nothing for the middle rank teams right across the country who will win neither the A or the B championship................... |
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Post by brigid on Oct 26, 2019 14:42:14 GMT
agree in theory but isnt part of the issue that you could have cork/kerry, mayo/galway/roscommon (or even 2 of them), Dongel, Tyrone, Monaghan all entering that quite quickly if they get a bad draw or draw each other. i do think however that the winner or last 2 of tier 2 need to enter the championship itself at some stage. Not sure what purpose the second tier championship provides while the backdoor concept is still in place. The back door played to the conclusion of one reentering the final stages of the championship would be epic. It might make some of the stronger counties rethink about finding themselves in it. Maybe seed the 3rd & 4th division teams in the back door to meet each other so they can progress a few rounds through the backdoor. It might be more beneficial than playing in the B championship...........playing better teams as they progress. You could argue that the main championship and now the B championship is doing nothing for the middle rank teams right across the country who will win neither the A or the B championship................... How did Kerry Co Board vote on this? Was your club in favour of this? I presume your club discussed this before the Co Comm meeting. There is very little point in discussing it now as the decisions are made. As the 2 tier system was not going to impact Dublin for some time it was agreed, at the Dublin Co Board Comm meeting, that if a large number of the lesser counties were in favour, Dublin would support it. Dublin were not in favour of the forward mark (a player getting a chance to score if he caught the ball just before it was due to hit the ground & was the kicker outside the 45, did the ball travel 20m) nor in favour of the sin bin (likely too many problems at club level-e.g.time keeping) nor were they in favour of the 20m kick-out (midfield too crowded). Maybe it is the 'lesser' counties that voted in these changes. |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 26, 2019 17:26:05 GMT
interesting to read how Dublin voted
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Post by ballhopper34 on Oct 26, 2019 17:51:47 GMT
Sin bin will cause problems for sure.
If a bunch of kids were playing between themselves out on a common area or in the school yard and were asked to make up rules as they went along, I wonder what they'd come up with.
After about 2 minutes I decided that the fairest way would be black card means player sits until the next goal or the end of the half (whichever comes first). Clever opponents might take easy points instead, although many the time 14 struggle against 15, and the team down a man might have to come up with something special to get back to 15.
No timekeeping issues, clear re-entry process, fans easily understand what's going on...couldn't be simpler?
What am I missing?
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Post by wideball on Oct 26, 2019 19:21:28 GMT
Sin bin will cause problems for sure. If a bunch of kids were playing between themselves out on a common area or in the school yard and were asked to make up rules as they went along, I wonder what they'd come up with. After about 2 minutes I decided that the fairest way would be black card means player sits until the next goal or the end of the half (whichever comes first). Clever opponents might take easy points instead, although many the time 14 struggle against 15, and the team down a man might have to come up with something special to get back to 15. No timekeeping issues, clear re-entry process, fans easily understand what's going on...couldn't be simpler? What am I missing? A novel idea which serves the purpose of taking some of the time keeping responsibility off the referee but if there is 5 mins left and the foul is to prevent a score to win the match then the punishment doesn't fit the crime. |
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Post by ballhopper34 on Oct 26, 2019 20:14:46 GMT
Sin bin will cause problems for sure. If a bunch of kids were playing between themselves out on a common area or in the school yard and were asked to make up rules as they went along, I wonder what they'd come up with. After about 2 minutes I decided that the fairest way would be black card means player sits until the next goal or the end of the half (whichever comes first). Clever opponents might take easy points instead, although many the time 14 struggle against 15, and the team down a man might have to come up with something special to get back to 15. No timekeeping issues, clear re-entry process, fans easily understand what's going on...couldn't be simpler? What am I missing? A novel idea which serves the purpose of taking some of the time keeping responsibility off the referee but if there is 5 mins left and the foul is to prevent a score to win the match then the punishment doesn't fit the crime. No different to the way it is under current proposals. |
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 27, 2019 12:17:50 GMT
Q - why was the black card concept dreamt up?
A - to reduce cynical play, yellow and red already there for foul play but punishment not adequate was the feeling in respect of cynical play.
No clear definition of cynical play but it generally refers to play that stops the flow of the game and in particular dragging or blocking play in the build up to a score.
For me the only way to punish cynical play is a shot on goal - from the 45 if foul is opposing half, 21 in attacking half and penalty if inside 21mt line. Cards are ineffective, particularly in close games where only the scoreboard matters.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Nov 4, 2019 14:01:23 GMT
Anyone know when NL fixtures will be finalised and published - am trying to organise diaries!
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Post by ballhopper34 on Nov 4, 2019 20:25:21 GMT
Anyone know when NL fixtures will be finalised and published - am trying to organise diaries! This is all we have so far...nothing official from GAA.ie yet: Round 1 away to Dublin Sat 25th Jan - confirmed as a Sat night game Round 2 home to Galway w/e of 1st Feb Round 3 away to Tyrone w/e of 9th Feb Round 4 home to Meath w/e of 23rd Feb Round 5 away to Mayo on Sat 29th Feb - confirmed as a Sat night game Round 6 away to Monaghan w/e of 15th March Round 7 home to Donegal w/e of 22nd March |
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Post by Tadhgeen on Nov 5, 2019 12:27:22 GMT
Anyone know when NL fixtures will be finalised and published - am trying to organise diaries! This is all we have so far...nothing official from GAA.ie yet: Round 1 away to Dublin Sat 25th Jan - confirmed as a Sat night game Round 2 home to Galway w/e of 1st Feb Round 3 away to Tyrone w/e of 9th Feb Round 4 home to Meath w/e of 23rd Feb Round 5 away to Mayo on Sat 29th Feb - confirmed as a Sat night game Round 6 away to Monaghan w/e of 15th March Round 7 home to Donegal w/e of 22nd March Thanks Ballhopper I presume all the other games not confirmed to date as Saturday night games will be on the Sunday. |
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Post by hatchetman on Nov 5, 2019 13:39:29 GMT
what date is the final on?
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Post by buck02 on Nov 5, 2019 14:22:36 GMT
This is all we have so far...nothing official from GAA.ie yet: Round 1 away to Dublin Sat 25th Jan - confirmed as a Sat night game Round 2 home to Galway w/e of 1st Feb Round 3 away to Tyrone w/e of 9th Feb Round 4 home to Meath w/e of 23rd Feb Round 5 away to Mayo on Sat 29th Feb - confirmed as a Sat night game Round 6 away to Monaghan w/e of 15th March Round 7 home to Donegal w/e of 22nd March Thanks Ballhopper I presume all the other games not confirmed to date as Saturday night games will be on the Sunday.I wouldnt presume that. I would imagine two of the three home games will be Tralee and one of them will be a Sunday night. My guess would be the Galway and Meath games in Tralee and the Meath game most likely to be a Saturday night game (would give an extra days rest before the Mayo game the following week). |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 12, 2019 14:08:11 GMT
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By John Fogarty
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Tuesday, November 12, 2019 - 06:30 AM
Far be it from David Clifford to tell how Peter Keane who to pick in his Kerry panel but he reckons his brother Paudie has done enough to earn a call-up.
The official man of the match as East Kerry dismantled Dr Crokes on Sunday, the older Clifford sibling’s play-making could offer Keane a serious option in his half-forward line.
It was felt his form with Sigerson Cup winners UCC earlier this year might have put him in the frame for a phone call from Keane but Clifford hopes his latest final exploits can see Paudie added to the squad. “It’s hard to know what Peter Keane is thinking but you can’t do much more besides getting man of the match in the county final so he has done all he can.”
Clifford knew his brother always had the talent to make an impact as he did in Austin Stack Park on Sunday. But the area of his game he had to work was his physique. “Physicality-wise, he’s not too big in height so he has put massive time into his body and it is showing,” he said. “I’ve seen it first hand the amount of time he has put into his game in the last two years.
“Obviously (Paudie was) disappointed not be involved with Kerry the last year or two but he didn’t let that get that to him but he’s playing ridiculous football again this year and it has made myself and Darragh Roche’s job fairly inside when he’s able to pick us out with passes from 30 or 40 yards out. It’s great to see him get his recognition. He hasn’t got any break in his career so far - hopefully, this will be the one.”
Clifford himself could hardly have imagined his first senior county final going any better. “It’s unbelievable. After a tough few years for Kerry, it’s nice for us young fellas to break in, there is the likes of James Devane and Jack (Sherwood) who have been here for years and years and I think they got to a semi-final in 2011 or 2012 and since that it has been barren years for East Kerry at senior level.
“So it’s great to come in with a group of friends and family, we’ve all gone to school together and we’ve all played underage together, it’s unbelievable, there has been great camaraderies between the team the last three years. This is Jerry’s (Sullivan) third year and we’ve been building every year.
“It’s right up there when you are playing with friends, fellas you have played all the way up with, fellas you went to school with and family. To be able to get a win over a team like the Crokes, everyone in that dressing room has suffered so many defeats to.”
Simply playing football was the best way for Clifford to move on from Kerry’s All-Ireland final replay defeat to Dublin. “It was an ideal way. It would have been worse if there was no football and we were back thinking about it, watching it back and things like that. Hard to get it out of your head. Having games to focus on, I think we had about eight games in nine weeks so it kept your mind off it, a new focus.”
The 20-year-old said the divisional team had targeted the start to deny Crokes momentum. “Crokes have been the dominant team in Kerry in the last decade so to be able to even share a field with them and be going up against them was a massive challenge for us and we were under no illusions about that.
“They have been ahead in every game this year so that was a big challenge we set ourselves to try and get ahead. The wind helped us in the first half and then we’ve had a massive period after half-time in each game and we did that again and just kicked on.”
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Post by mystic86 on Nov 14, 2019 0:49:10 GMT
New Jersey launching in first week of December, I wonder is Paul Galvin involved this time... I really like the current jersey so don't really want it to change, but will be interesting to see it at the same time. If anyone has any sneaky photos of it in advance of the launch be sure to share them here!  |
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 14, 2019 8:57:03 GMT
I understand that the U-20s will be Kerry's representatives in this competition. |
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Post by egbabroad on Nov 18, 2019 18:04:26 GMT
This is all we have so far...nothing official from GAA.ie yet: Round 1 away to Dublin Sat 25th Jan - confirmed as a Sat night game Round 2 home to Galway w/e of 1st Feb Round 3 away to Tyrone w/e of 9th Feb Round 4 home to Meath w/e of 23rd Feb Round 5 away to Mayo on Sat 29th Feb - confirmed as a Sat night game Round 6 away to Monaghan w/e of 15th March Round 7 home to Donegal w/e of 22nd March Thanks Ballhopper I presume all the other games not confirmed to date as Saturday night games will be on the Sunday. Ant further info on Galway game, Sat or Sun, Tralee or Killarney? |
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Post by taibhse on Nov 19, 2019 16:18:32 GMT
Can we assume that current selectors and backroom support staff are on board for next season? Just asking.
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Post by A.N. Other on Nov 19, 2019 20:24:00 GMT
Can we assume that current selectors and backroom support staff are on board for next season? Just asking. There was awful rumours a few weeks back that this wasn’t the case but it seems to have been forgotten about so assume the backroom team is unchanged. |
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Post by ballhopper34 on Nov 19, 2019 21:01:31 GMT
Can we assume that current selectors and backroom support staff are on board for next season? Just asking. There was awful rumours a few weeks back that this wasn’t the case but it seems to have been forgotten about so assume the backroom team is unchanged. Hope this is true. |
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Post by A.N. Other on Nov 19, 2019 21:38:15 GMT
There was awful rumours a few weeks back that this wasn’t the case but it seems to have been forgotten about so assume the backroom team is unchanged. Hope this is true. Me too. I have nothing to back it up though but hopefully they were able to sort their issues out. |
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Post by taibhse on Nov 19, 2019 22:13:55 GMT
It’s absolutely normal for there to be changes of back-room staff at the end of a season. And it’s not necessarily a judgement on their competence, just a reflection of the fact that managers are entitled to choose their own staff.
I would add that nobody could be happy with the strength and conditioning of the team, who were found wanting in the final moments of both the draw and replay. I would also have concerns about how we set up against 14 men in the drawn game; not to mention the use of the subs. Who was making the calls?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 20, 2019 20:07:32 GMT
It’s absolutely normal for there to be changes of back-room staff at the end of a season. And it’s not necessarily a judgement on their competence, just a reflection of the fact that managers are entitled to choose their own staff. I would add that nobody could be happy with the strength and conditioning of the team, who were found wanting in the final moments of both the draw and replay. I would also have concerns about how we set up against 14 men in the drawn game; not to mention the use of the subs. Who was making the calls? Tend to stay off these sites in off season but this is just garbage. Kerry conditioning was were it should be for 19 and 20 year olds in the first year. They were playing seasoned champions. I personally didn't like the tactics in the replay but that was a judgment call by a management team that almost everything right this year. |
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Post by taibhse on Nov 21, 2019 11:48:43 GMT
It’s absolutely normal for there to be changes of back-room staff at the end of a season. And it’s not necessarily a judgement on their competence, just a reflection of the fact that managers are entitled to choose their own staff. I would add that nobody could be happy with the strength and conditioning of the team, who were found wanting in the final moments of both the draw and replay. I would also have concerns about how we set up against 14 men in the drawn game; not to mention the use of the subs. Who was making the calls? Tend to stay off these sites in off season but this is just garbage. Kerry conditioning was were it should be for 19 and 20 year olds in the first year. They were playing seasoned champions. I personally didn't like the tactics in the replay but that was a judgment call by a management team that almost everything right this year. I am not averse to criticism or dissenting views and I don’t, in general, engage in extensive bilateral discussions with people on this forum. If the opinion is intelligible, I respond. If the opinion is too emotionally charged I’m not going to get sucked into a long back and forth debate and “one-up-manship” that goes nowhere. Sometimes, the ease with which we succumb to the deadly habit of cutting people out of their own observations and opinions and yes, sometimes well informed facts, on this forum is demonstrated with precision in your post. The simplest and most obvious “flaw” in you statement is that no member of the Kerry panel was 19yrs. One of the starting 15 (D.C.) was 20 and one other (D. O’C) was also 20yrs. Thereafter: - 3 were 21 yrs - 3 were 22yrs - 4 were 23yrs. - 2 were 25 and the remainder older again. Dublin's Ciaran Kilkenny is 26 and has 6 All-Ireland medals. Cormac Costello is 25 and has 5. Brian Howard is 22 and has 3. Jordan Larmour was old enough to play World Cup rugby at 22. I could go on but you can do your own reading. It is obvious that you are dealing with denial and resistance to validate your own opinions. Once we have a belief about something, our brains starts to actively filter for evidence that our belief is correct. You can, if you so wish, describe my opinion as “garbage”. Rudeness is unrelated to wisdom, the gift of which you believe yourself to be exclusively possessed. End of year Management Review is undertaken to assess the performances throughout the whole year. Performance review, by definition, is information that is distilled too late to matter - unless it is acted on promptly and firmly. Mistakes are tolerated as a means of learning. Ascribing negative results on a false premise, yet feeling entirely responsible for good results should not be acceptable. Here is Kerry, we attach great store on the ‘cute hoor’ approach and tend to be allergic to openly questioning anything that might reflect badly on us. I understand that, but personally I’d much rather tip the scale in favour of honesty, humility and tolerance. |
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 21, 2019 17:16:19 GMT
I am not sure we can compare our fitness or lack of with that of the Dubs for a number of reasons - firstly this Dublin panel has had Bryan Cullen as lead S & C since Feb 2016 and the majority of the current panel would have fallen under his influence in that time; remember Cullen, a former player, holds a PhD in Sports Science and was lead S & C with Leinster Rugby before joining with up Gavin - the benefits of having Cullen in place for this period are plain to see.
In contrast we had Joe O'Connor appointed in 2018 which was in effect a 3 year programme but he was only in situ for the one year before the appointment of Jason McGahan. A number of this year's panel were new to senior inter county football and all new to Jason McGahan - there is no doubt in my mind that we have yet to see the benefits of what McGahan can bring to this group - anybody who attended at the " Pain to Performance" presentation recently in IT Tralee will attest to the knowledge, understanding and science which he brings to the party.
I believe the benefits that will accrue to the Kerry panel from having a structured, monitored S & C programme will see us being able to challenge the Dubs and others next season.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 21, 2019 17:25:34 GMT
I am not sure we can compare our fitness or lack of with that of the Dubs for a number of reasons - firstly this Dublin panel has had Bryan Cullen as lead S & C since Feb 2016 and the majority of the current panel would have fallen under his influence in that time; remember Cullen, a former player, holds a PhD in Sports Science and was lead S & C with Leinster Rugby before joining with up Gavin - the benefits of having Cullen in place for this period are plain to see. In contrast we had Joe O'Connor appointed in 2018 which was in effect a 3 year programme but he was only in situ for the one year before the appointment of Jason McGahan. A number of this year's panel were new to senior inter county football and all new to Jason McGahan - there is no doubt in my mind that we have yet to see the benefits of what McGahan can bring to this group - anybody who attended at the " Pain to Performance" presentation recently in IT Tralee will attest to the knowledge, understanding and science which he brings to the party. I believe the benefits that will accrue to the Kerry panel from having a structured, monitored S & C programme will see us being able to challenge the Dubs and others next season. Good post and on the money. Kerry couldn't possibly be at the same level of Dublin just yet. It was a phenomenal achievement to get so close to beating them in the drawn game. Fingertips stuff really. I fancy Kerry to beat Dublin in next summers championship. |
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Post by Galway breeze on Nov 21, 2019 19:06:18 GMT
I think Kerry will win an all Ireland again if we wait long enough regardless of who the S&C is. We have only one All Ireland in ten years with all the experts been brought in and yet Jack o Connor, Pat Shea and the great Paudi o Se had no PhD S&C man with them and won All Ireland's. Kildare had Dr Cian o Neill for five years look at their structure. Clare set up a structure 7 years ago and this has not worked. Dublin had Martin Kennedy (2 all Ireland's to his credit)who had set the foundation before Cullan. Pat O Shea, Jack o Connor and Paudi o Se won about six All Ireland's between them. What did they do to achieve this success?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 21, 2019 19:15:01 GMT
I think Kerry will win an all Ireland again if we wait long enough regardless of who the S&C is. We have only one All Ireland in ten years with all the experts been brought in and yet Jack o Connor, Pat Shea and the great Paudi o Se had no PhD S&C man with them and won All Ireland's. Kildare had Dr Cian o Neill for five years look at their structure. Clare set up a structure 7 years ago and this has not worked. Dublin had Martin Kennedy (2 all Ireland's to his credit)who had set the foundation before Cullan. Pat O Shea, Jack o Connor and Paudi o Se won about six All Ireland's between them. What did they do to achieve this success? Nobody was doing S&C at the level the very top sides are doing now in the years of Ó Sé, O'Connor, and O'Shea. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 19:18:24 GMT
I am not sure we can compare our fitness or lack of with that of the Dubs for a number of reasons - firstly this Dublin panel has had Bryan Cullen as lead S & C since Feb 2016 and the majority of the current panel would have fallen under his influence in that time; remember Cullen, a former player, holds a PhD in Sports Science and was lead S & C with Leinster Rugby before joining with up Gavin - the benefits of having Cullen in place for this period are plain to see. In contrast we had Joe O'Connor appointed in 2018 which was in effect a 3 year programme but he was only in situ for the one year before the appointment of Jason McGahan. A number of this year's panel were new to senior inter county football and all new to Jason McGahan - there is no doubt in my mind that we have yet to see the benefits of what McGahan can bring to this group - anybody who attended at the " Pain to Performance" presentation recently in IT Tralee will attest to the knowledge, understanding and science which he brings to the party. I believe the benefits that will accrue to the Kerry panel from having a structured, monitored S & C programme will see us being able to challenge the Dubs and others next season. All correct. I would also highlight the investment that Dublin have made on the dietary and nutrition front in recent years that is good bit ahead of others. Again a lot of it is due to finances. |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 21, 2019 22:55:53 GMT
It’s absolutely normal for there to be changes of back-room staff at the end of a season. And it’s not necessarily a judgement on their competence, just a reflection of the fact that managers are entitled to choose their own staff. I would add that nobody could be happy with the strength and conditioning of the team, who were found wanting in the final moments of both the draw and replay. I would also have concerns about how we set up against 14 men in the drawn game; not to mention the use of the subs. Who was making the calls? Tend to stay off these sites in off season but this is just garbage. Kerry conditioning was were it should be for 19 and 20 year olds in the first year.They were playing seasoned champions. I personally didn't like the tactics in the replay but that was a judgment call by a management team that almost everything right this year. I don't see a huge number of 19 and 20 year olds on the pitch in the final 10 minutes of the drawn final or the replay. I don't understand the point you are making in referencing 19 and 20 year olds. Could you explain it to me? KERRY drawn game: Shane Ryan; Jason Foley, Tom O’Sullivan, Tadhg Morley; Paul Murphy, Gavin Crowley, Brian O Beaglaoich; David Moran, Jack Barry; Diarmuid O’Connor, Sean O’Shea, Adrian Spillane; David Clifford, Paul Geaney, Stephen O’Brien. Subs: Jack Sherwood for O Beaglaoich (52), Gavin White for A Spillane (52), Tommy Walsh for O’Connor (55), Killian Spillane for Murphy (60), James O’Donoghue for Barry (65), Dara Moynihan for Crowley (70+1). Kerry replay 1. S Ryan; 2. J Foley, 3. T Morley, 4. T O’Sullivan; 7. B Ó Beaglaoich, 5. P Murphy, 6. G Crowley; 8. D Moran, 9. J Barry; 23. D O’Connor, 11. S O’Shea (0-5, two frees), 15. A Spillane (0-1); 14. P Geaney (0-4), 13. D Clifford (0-5, two frees), 12. S O’Brien. Subs: 19. J Sherwood for Ó Beaglaoich (52 mins), 10. G White for A Spillane (52 mins), 21. T Walsh for O’Connor (56 mins), 18. K Spillane for Murphy (60 mins), 26. J O’Donoghue for Barry (65 mins), 20 D Moynihan for Crowley (72 mins). |
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