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Post by gaelicden on Sept 14, 2019 18:45:36 GMT
We'll start our bid for 5 in a row next year, so might as well get the preseason thread up and running
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 14, 2019 18:50:23 GMT
We'll start our bid for 5 in a row next year, so might as well get the preseason thread up and running *6 |
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Post by ruralgaa on Sept 15, 2019 11:51:40 GMT
Training Tuesday night, 7 for half past!
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Post by tonydorigo on Sept 16, 2019 9:38:01 GMT
Next season will be about building on the foundations laid this year and adding more of the younger players into the system. We are still light at midfield but think there is a lot of good young defenders and forwards coming through. Would be interested in seeing if the likes of Daniel O'Brien, Mike Breen, Michael Foley can get runs in the backline and we might see Tony Brosnan, David Shaw, Donal O'sullivan, Paul O'Shea etc. to possibly get some game time in the forwards. Not to mention the lads like Tomas O'Se and Graham O'Sullivan etc who are in with the panel and should push on for next year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 10:29:49 GMT
In some ways I am more interested in who could be the next Tommy Walsh or Sherwood ie guys who were seen as finished but played a massive role this year
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Post by dc84 on Sept 16, 2019 11:39:30 GMT
Peter crowleys loss can't be underestimated here too lads, Tom Sullivan is incredible and we need him driving forward from wing back. He can be our Lee keegan/mcaffrey well capable of scoring heavily and consistantly.
Peter Keane has done a great job in his first year. This Added to fitzy giving 7 debutants in 2018 means that we have a settled look to us.
Another years ic training and s and c will bring our lads on immensely. We need to improve on this year we didn't score enough goals given the talent we have.
Massive positive performances from several players that we couldn't have envisaged.
Jack Sherwood,killian spillane,Tommy Walsh,Gavin Crowley,Adrian spillane shane ruan and Jack Barry all played way better than I for one thought they were capable of. Dublins fitness is ridiculous this for me is the big thing we can match them for 60 mins but it's the last 15 that they dominated last two games huge work needed in that department.
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Post by tonydorigo on Sept 16, 2019 12:18:40 GMT
Peter crowleys loss can't be underestimated here too lads, Tom Sullivan is incredible and we need him driving forward from wing back. He can be our Lee keegan/mcaffrey well capable of scoring heavily and consistantly. Peter Keane has done a great job in his first year. This Added to fitzy giving 7 debutants in 2018 means that we have a settled look to us. Another years ic training and s and c will bring our lads on immensely. We need to improve on this year we didn't score enough goals given the talent we have. Massive positive performances from several players that we couldn't have envisaged. Jack Sherwood,killian spillane,Tommy Walsh,Gavin Crowley,Adrian spillane shane ruan and Jack Barry all played way better than I for one thought they were capable of. Dublins fitness is ridiculous this for me is the big thing we can match them for 60 mins but it's the last 15 that they dominated last two games huge work needed in that department. It did seem like Dublin had more in the tank on both days alright so will be interesting to see how Jason McGahan counters this. There is a great panel of players there to work with and more talent coming through. I think we need to get a half foward who adds a scoring threat and can do defensive duties as well. Hopefully Burns or Moynihan will step up. Crowley would have been a nice one to have on O'Callaghan on Saturday! |
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Post by taggert on Sept 16, 2019 17:11:08 GMT
With no disrespect to Peter, he simply would be eaten alive by Con as he absolutely does not have the pace to keep up with him.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 16, 2019 18:39:59 GMT
With no disrespect to Peter, he simply would be eaten alive by Con as he absolutely does not have the pace to keep up with him. Agreed, Crowley would be one of the last players I would consider putting on Con. He's not a man marker for a start and he wouldnt have the positional discipline to mark a top level inside forward |
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Post by mossie on Sept 16, 2019 19:42:08 GMT
in the event Kerry win Munster and Dublin win Leinster , are both in the same super 8 group?
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Post by southward on Sept 16, 2019 19:47:28 GMT
in the event Kerry win Munster and Dublin win Leinster , are both in the same super 8 group? Yep. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 16, 2019 19:48:10 GMT
in the event Kerry win Munster and Dublin win Leinster , are both in the same super 8 group? Yep. Croker Park nutural game lol. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 16, 2019 20:30:23 GMT
Croker Park nutural game lol. I imagine that will be changed for next year. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 17, 2019 7:11:10 GMT
Given the leadership our young lads showed this summer I want to see a policy of not flogging them in Jan and Feb with sigerson and national league. If they play sigerson midweek then I hope there not hauled up the country on a Sunday.
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Post by tonydorigo on Sept 17, 2019 7:38:00 GMT
Possible alternative options for next year:
Goalkeepers: Shane Murphy
Defenders: Daniel O'Brien, Mike Breen, Tom Leo O'sullivan, Michael Foley, Michael Potts, Cian Gammell, Ronan Shanahan, Colm Moriarty
Midfielders: Mark Ryan, Mike Breen, Liam Kearney, Rob O'Se, Barry O'Mahoney, Paul O'Shea, Barry O'Sullivan
Forwards: Donal O'Sullivan, David Shaw, Tony Brosnan, Kevin McCarthy, Paudie Clifford, Fiachra Clifford
Are the any other possible bolters for next year that weren't on the extended panel?
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 17, 2019 7:38:37 GMT
Given the leadership our young lads showed this summer I want to see a policy of not flogging them in Jan and Feb with sigerson and national league. If they play sigerson midweek then I hope there not hauled up the country on a Sunday. I agree wholeheartedly and also feel that the upcoming fixtures next weekend should have been deferred for a further week to allow players recover mentally and physically from the last few weeks; granted the schedule is tight but player welfare has to be paramount. The life of an inter county footballer is most demanding - training in Dec/Jan to fulfil a 7 match national league programme followed by club championships in April, then back to inter county duties again - the build up to the All Ireland, the replay would have been exhausting - most wont be back at work/college this week and will probably only get to meet with their clubs/divisions on Thursday at the earliest - cant imagine there will be much appetite for football. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 17, 2019 7:45:36 GMT
Possible alternative options for next year: Goalkeepers: Shane Murphy Defenders: Daniel O'Brien, Mike Breen, Tom Leo O'sullivan, Michael Foley, Michael Potts, Cian Gammell, Ronan Shanahan, Colm Moriarty Midfielders: Mark Ryan, Mike Breen, Liam Kearney, Rob O'Se, Barry O'Mahoney, Paul O'Shea, Barry O'Sullivan Forwards: Donal O'Sullivan, David Shaw, Tony Brosnan, Kevin McCarthy, Paudie Clifford, Fiachra Clifford Are the any other possible bolters for next year that weren't on the extended panel? Mark Kelliher will come into the equation for goals, plus John Mark Foley as a midfield option. |
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Post by tonydorigo on Sept 17, 2019 8:29:53 GMT
Possible alternative options for next year: Goalkeepers: Shane Murphy Defenders: Daniel O'Brien, Mike Breen, Tom Leo O'sullivan, Michael Foley, Michael Potts, Cian Gammell, Ronan Shanahan, Colm Moriarty Midfielders: Mark Ryan, Mike Breen, Liam Kearney, Rob O'Se, Barry O'Mahoney, Paul O'Shea, Barry O'Sullivan Forwards: Donal O'Sullivan, David Shaw, Tony Brosnan, Kevin McCarthy, Paudie Clifford, Fiachra Clifford Are the any other possible bolters for next year that weren't on the extended panel? Mark Kelliher will come into the equation for goals, plus John Mark Foley as a midfield option. Haven't seen or heard much of John Mark Foley since minor days. Looked like a really good player but playing with Kilgarvan probably isn't helping. Could do with mobile footballers like him for midfield. |
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 17, 2019 8:39:54 GMT
Given the leadership our young lads showed this summer I want to see a policy of not flogging them in Jan and Feb with sigerson and national league. If they play sigerson midweek then I hope there not hauled up the country on a Sunday. I agree wholeheartedly and also feel that the upcoming fixtures next weekend should have been deferred for a further week to allow players recover mentally and physically from the last few weeks; granted the schedule is tight but player welfare has to be paramount. The life of an inter county footballer is most demanding - training in Dec/Jan to fulfil a 7 match national league programme followed by club championships in April, then back to inter county duties again - the build up to the All Ireland, the replay would have been exhausting - most wont be back at work/college this week and will probably only get to meet with their clubs/divisions on Thursday at the earliest - cant imagine there will be much appetite for football. Not great that the county players have to go any where near club games this week. We really do flog the **** out of the county players! Do we still need the senior club championship competition in Kerry? Losing it would free up some time......... |
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Post by dc84 on Sept 17, 2019 10:03:48 GMT
Massive strides made this year we have found a goalie which is the main one also people were giving out about our midfield being weak it certainly isn't you could make the argument its now the strongest in the country . Moran and Barry are a strong partnership ably assisted by spillane,Sherwood and o connor with Tommy as a 10 minute option also.
Next year a lot of the 20-24 lads will naturally get better and stronger which bodes well for us there won't be any retirements as Moran and Walsh look capable of going for another few years.
What specific areas do people think need strengthening next year? For me it's Building on the collective defence ie when to leave your man, covering each other this will come with more games together as the level of trust improves. Another big area is more scores from our defence we got 2-9 over 8 games for avg of less than 2pts a game, and crucially only 2 points between the semi and two finals not good enough. Also we need another wing forward like o brien who works like a dog but generally ads to the score board as well. And lastly more pace in the full forward line and the bench speed creates goals just look at the three goals scored over the last 2 games, by playing geaney and Clifford inside we are a bit one paced there need to see more of the likes of spillane and Tomas o se either as starters or coming on. We aren't all that far away bit it's the last few that are the toughest!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:28:33 GMT
There is no doubt that the increased defensive solidity at the latter stages of the championship has come at the expense of a reduced threat from an attacking perspective
Outside our four main forwards and Moran very few others were getting into attacking positions let alone threatening the scoreboard.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 17, 2019 11:13:30 GMT
We all agree that we have improved in all areas this year but I think what will occupy PK & Co over the winter months is that we need :
1. A sweeper - don't think Paul Murphy is suited to the role as he seems more at home at wing back with a licence to roam - Paul was too easily bypassed in some of the games - maybe Peter Crowley/Brian O'Beaglaoich could fill this role
2. Tom O'Sullivan in the half back line - he has performed a man marking role brilliantly but I think siting him at 7 will benefit us more in an attacking sense - I know our defenders priority is to defend but Tom's pace from wing back would be a massive addition to us
3. More from Gavin White - think that he suffered this year due to not being involved in the league - he needs inter county football and I think will improve if getting it
4. A wing forward to nail down @ 10 - nobody really claimed the spot this year, need someone to step up during the league - I would have high hopes for Diarmuid O'Connor in this area - has the height, the skills and pace - again, a winter of S & C plus league football will tell us a lot.
5. A back up midfielder - hopefully David & Jack will stay injury free as they can only improve as a partnership - Jack in particular to fulfil the promise he has shown at Sigerson level particularly in an attacking sense
Plenty to ponder!
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Post by dc84 on Sept 17, 2019 11:27:31 GMT
We all agree that we have improved in all areas this year but I think what will occupy PK & Co over the winter months is that we need : 1. A sweeper - don't think Paul Murphy is suited to the role as he seems more at home at wing back with a licence to roam - Paul was too easily bypassed in some of the games - maybe Peter Crowley/Brian O'Beaglaoich could fill this role 2. Tom O'Sullivan in the half back line - he has performed a man marking role brilliantly but I think siting him at 7 will benefit us more in an attacking sense - I know our defenders priority is to defend but Tom's pace from wing back would be a massive addition to us 3. More from Gavin White - think that he suffered this year due to not being involved in the league - he needs inter county football and I think will improve if getting it 4. A wing forward to nail down @ 10 - nobody really claimed the spot this year, need someone to step up during the league - I would have high hopes for Diarmuid O'Connor in this area - has the height, the skills and pace - again, a winter of S & C plus league football will tell us a lot. 5. A back up midfielder - hopefully David & Jack will stay injury free as they can only improve as a partnership - Jack in particular to fulfil the promise he has shown at Sigerson level particularly in an attacking sense Plenty to ponder! Good post you captured what I think as well, I thought Adrian spillane did well in midfield this year. I think if we are going to play a sweeper Sherwood or Peter Crowley are the best options and I'd go with Sherwood as he offers an attacking threat as well as a Kick out option and is physically capable. |
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Post by jackiel on Sept 17, 2019 11:51:12 GMT
Any idea when League fixtures will be released.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 17, 2019 12:08:09 GMT
We all agree that we have improved in all areas this year but I think what will occupy PK & Co over the winter months is that we need : 1. A sweeper - don't think Paul Murphy is suited to the role as he seems more at home at wing back with a licence to roam - Paul was too easily bypassed in some of the games - maybe Peter Crowley/Brian O'Beaglaoich could fill this role If a sweeper doesn't intercept any ball does that mean they had a poor game --- or their positioning meant that the other team never had a chance to play in dangerous ball to inside forwards? |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 17, 2019 12:46:43 GMT
We all agree that we have improved in all areas this year but I think what will occupy PK & Co over the winter months is that we need : 1. A sweeper - don't think Paul Murphy is suited to the role as he seems more at home at wing back with a licence to roam - Paul was too easily bypassed in some of the games - maybe Peter Crowley/Brian O'Beaglaoich could fill this role If a sweeper doesn't intercept any ball does that mean they had a poor game --- or their positioning meant that the other team never had a chance to play in dangerous ball to inside forwards? There are different roles to assess & judge. If a long ball is kicked in the sweeper can be an extra man under the dropping ball; if a runner breaks from deep the sweeper can move to cut them off; also, can move back & forth in front of the inside forwards to cut out through balls or ensure the outfield kickers have difficulty in finding their men - ideally would sit around the D and cover from side to side. |
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Post by baurtregaum on Sept 19, 2019 15:12:19 GMT
Being presumptuous here for a second, we are potentially playing Dublin 4 times next year (League and league final, Super 8s and AIF).
All these games are away to Dublin but it will give us a chance to see how we get on in Croke Park and become more comfortable with the place. This will definitely be a help as everyone says that CP is different and plays different to any other stadium.
I also think we should go all out for wins against them and not do a 'Tyrone' on it in the Super 8s. The more we play them the more we will learn. 2020 will be about identifying and closing gaps between us and them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 18:28:32 GMT
While we may play Dublin 4 times, only one of those will truly matter.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Sept 19, 2019 18:38:43 GMT
Possible alternative options for next year: Goalkeepers: Shane Murphy Defenders: Daniel O'Brien, Mike Breen, Tom Leo O'sullivan, Michael Foley, Michael Potts, Cian Gammell, Ronan Shanahan, Colm Moriarty Midfielders: Mark Ryan, Mike Breen, Liam Kearney, Rob O'Se, Barry O'Mahoney, Paul O'Shea, Barry O'Sullivan Forwards: Donal O'Sullivan, David Shaw, Tony Brosnan, Kevin McCarthy, Paudie Clifford, Fiachra Clifford Are the any other possible bolters for next year that weren't on the extended panel? Patrick Clifford Templenoe? Think out of the names mentioned above only gammell and Daniel o brien are up to the level |
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Post by kingdomfan1991 on Sept 20, 2019 6:26:45 GMT
Possible alternative options for next year: Goalkeepers: Shane Murphy Defenders: Daniel O'Brien, Mike Breen, Tom Leo O'sullivan, Michael Foley, Michael Potts, Cian Gammell, Ronan Shanahan, Colm Moriarty Midfielders: Mark Ryan, Mike Breen, Liam Kearney, Rob O'Se, Barry O'Mahoney, Paul O'Shea, Barry O'Sullivan Forwards: Donal O'Sullivan, David Shaw, Tony Brosnan, Kevin McCarthy, Paudie Clifford, Fiachra Clifford Are the any other possible bolters for next year that weren't on the extended panel? Patrick Clifford Templenoe? Think out of the names mentioned above only gammell and Daniel o brien are up to the level Ah come on now. A lot of good players there who are all more than capable of putting up their hands fr next year. Personally, I like the look of Barry Mahony in particular. Fantastic dual player but I would like to think he would get a call up with the footballers next year. In the forwards, if Tony Brosnan can repeat the form he showed last year, I have no doubt he could make it at the next level |
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