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Post by otobeawinner on Dec 12, 2019 15:54:05 GMT
Ballydonoghue will be in Division 2 for 2020, but I agree they should be doing better in county junior championship, the underage success at high level in underage over the last number years has not moved to senior glory. have they lost some of that underage batch But getting to Div 2, for a team that spent a lot of time in Div 5, is success. I dont think they have underachieved as some of the recent Junior winners like Templenoe & Na Gaeil are definitely better than them I appreciate that they had the successful team Foley and co were on co lg div 1 all the way up and thus were strong the previous year too based on the same lads but a year younger but what have they had before or after that? No matter how good 1 team is they will have lads not move on to senior. Look at those teams underage now joined with 2 and 3 other clubs. That is not going to bring through many seniors annually. Getting to div 2 is a serious achievement when a small club has a co player missing most games. I think they have being well hyped up here and (letting them off with a poor showing in NK chsip) next season will tell a lot. If they cant bring through a new player or 2 every year they will struggle. Agreed they have being poor at c'ship level. Failed to even pick up novice a few years back. |
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Post by wideball on Dec 12, 2019 17:22:41 GMT
But getting to Div 2, for a team that spent a lot of time in Div 5, is success. I dont think they have underachieved as some of the recent Junior winners like Templenoe & Na Gaeil are definitely better than them I appreciate that they had the successful team Foley and co were on co lg div 1 all the way up and thus were strong the previous year too based on the same lads but a year younger but what have they had before or after that? No matter how good 1 team is they will have lads not move on to senior. Look at those teams underage now joined with 2 and 3 other clubs. That is not going to bring through many seniors annually. Getting to div 2 is a serious achievement when a small club has a co player missing most games. I think they have being well hyped up here and (letting them off with a poor showing in NK chsip) next season will tell a lot. If they cant bring through a new player or 2 every year they will struggle. Agreed they have being poor at c'ship level. Failed to even pick up novice a few years back. In relation to lads coming through after that, I don't think Mitch Foley or Jack Kennelly were part of that team. Might be wrong of course. While Na Gaeil and Templenonoe are definitely better than them they do struggle to get out of the group in the current format. That has to be a concern moving forward. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 12, 2019 20:23:42 GMT
Tim Murphy Chairman of The County Board had a lot to say at the convention on the standard of NK football and I have opened a thread on it as I sense we will be hearing a bit more about it in the weeks and months ahead - it warrants a separate thread, otherwise we are having two conversations here and they will only smother each other. kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/7092/football-standard-investigated-county-board |
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Post by tonydorigo on Dec 13, 2019 8:59:28 GMT
Football in North Kerry not in a great state. How many North Kerry teams are making up spots in Division 4 and 5 in the county? Ballydonoghue are nearly the most startling as they have so much talent within their team and don't seem to be doing much with it. They should be a division 2 team with the squad they have. I think the big difference is lack of competitive schools in the area. Tarbert Comp are shocking given their numbers and pick and St. Michaels and Causeway aren't exactly powerhouses either. Compare this to East/Mid Kerry where Pres Milltown are now competing and winning at A schools level. It's not like the talent isn't there in North Kerry. The Pobalscoil Corca Dhuidne teams that won all irelands were constantly competing against Shannon Rangers teams at the same age group but started to pull away from around the age of 16. Ballydonoghue will be in Division 2 for 2020, but I agree they should be doing better in county junior championship, the underage success at high level in underage over the last number years has not moved to senior glory. have they lost some of that underage batch They will be division 2 but like someone said above. Next year could be the making or breaking of this group. Enough talent there to be setting the tone for football in North Kerry but don't seem to be pushing on. As a fan, hope that they get their * together and win a junior in the next year or so. I know people hyped them but they were competing on their own in Kerry underage so you'd be hoping that this talent would be managed properly and brought through. |
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Post by fairplay2all on Dec 13, 2019 16:01:28 GMT
Back to the topic in hand , it’s been a woeful week of rain in North Kerry, Can Ballylongford pitch take all this rain and still be in good enough condition to hold the game Sunday, anyone nearby could go for a jog up the middle of the pitch for us and give us an update ? Take wellies !! How did the Senans players appeal to the red go ? Any updates on traffic management plan by the NKB ?
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Post by otobeawinner on Dec 13, 2019 19:59:59 GMT
Back to the topic in hand , it’s been a woeful week of rain in North Kerry, Can Ballylongford pitch take all this rain and still be in good enough condition to hold the game Sunday, anyone nearby could go for a jog up the middle of the pitch for us and give us an update ? Take wellies !! How did the Senans players appeal to the red go ? Any updates on traffic management plan by the NKB ? I have the official traffic management plan. Not quite park and ride, more like drop and walk and hope not to get stuck. Red card appeal was a No (for senans) I heard. Weather will mean the game is destined to be a 1 score difference. DRAW. |
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Post by fairplay2all on Dec 14, 2019 11:14:32 GMT
What’s the latest odds on this game , the bookies are seldom wrong !!
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Post by Callitasitis on Dec 14, 2019 11:46:02 GMT
Is Liam Brosnan still in charge of Brosna?
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Post by southward on Dec 14, 2019 13:00:22 GMT
What’s the latest odds on this game , the bookies are seldom wrong !! Even money on a mudslide. 2/1 on a supporter drowning inside the ground. 10/1 an impromptu bog-snorkelling competition breaks out on the terrace. On the game itself, it's anybody's guess with the expected conditions; tomorrow's forecast is for more charming weather. I'd have a slight fancy for Brosna; they showed tremendous resilience to eventually overcome Ballyduff. Senans' defence has looked very creaky to date; they'll need to curtail Paul Walsh if they want to retain the title tomorrow. Oh and it's 4/1 a player successfully hops the ball. |
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 14, 2019 13:05:07 GMT
IrishExaminerOpen
A different kind of festive fever strikes North Kerry in December
By Eoghan Cormican
Staff writer
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Saturday, December 14, 2019 - 06:00 AM
Brosna manager Liam Brosnan throws out words such as “mythical” and “carnival” when attempting to capture the allure of the North Kerry football championship.
Brosnan himself is not a North Kerry man. Home for him is Currow, just outside Farranfore.
But, in this his first season with Brosna, he’s quickly been indoctrinated as to the importance of the divisional championship in the top corner of the Kingdom
When sitting down with the Brosna players at the beginning of the year, Brosnan’s chief priority was the Kerry intermediate championship, followed by the county league, and then, lastly, the divisional campaign.
That’s not, though, how his players saw it.
Brosna have never won a North Kerry championship.
It’s a statistic they want to be corrected and having overcome Finuge and Ballyduff, the latter after a replay, Brosnan’s charges will tomorrow (Ballylongford, 2pm) contest only the club’s second North Kerry final.
Standing in the opposite corner are reigning champions St Senan’s.
“I’d say Brosna are nearly the only club not to have won the North Kerry championship,” Brosnan begins.
“The East Kerry championship final, between Dr Crokes and Legion, is also on this Sunday and you could have 1,000 people at that game in Fitzgerald Stadium, but there’ll be anything up to 5,000 at Ballylongford — in the middle of December, lest we not forget — for our game.
"They’ll come from West Limerick and all over North Kerry to watch it. It seems to be this kind of carnival-type tournament. The final, too, will be like a carnival.
“When you are coming in from the outside, it is very hard to put your finger on it, but when you are involved, like I am this year, you can see the want that is there to win the North Kerry Championship.
“It is a badge of honour. And when Brosna have never won it, it stands out a bit more for them.”
Brosnan rightly points out that county championship form in April/May or, indeed, league standings in early autumn are no indicator as to who might put together a sustained run when the North Kerry championship throws in by November.
Brosna were relegated from both the county intermediate championship and Division 2 of the league in 2019 and, yet, here they are, chasing a historic first North Kerry title just over a week from Christmas.
The North Kerry championship is the one championship where any team can win it in any given year.
“If you look back through the years, teams tend to win it when they are operating out of Division 4 or 5 in the league.
“We had an average of 18 players all year, and five of them are over 35.
“We’ve been punching above our weight. No team destroyed us in either the championship or league, but, at the same time, we were struggling for numbers.
“It would be huge to win on Sunday. The lads have their All-Ireland junior club medal from 2015.
"I do think a lot of them would nearly swap that for a North Kerry medal.
“I have one East Kerry O’Donoghue Cup medal and I probably cherish that more than anything because you win it with your friends, and you have bragging rights in the division for a year.”
Another motivating factor tomorrow will be to bring a small bit of light to an area visited by tragedy and grief in recent months.
Local woman, Kerrie Browne, the partner of Brosna footballer Éamonn Kiely, was killed in a road traffic accident on her way home from a night-shift in Kerry University Hospital, where she worked as a nurse, at the beginning of October.
“Christmas can be a hard time of the year. It might make it a small bit easier for Éamonn and the family if there was a bit of joy there, even if it was only for 24 hours.
“At least it would be something to put a smile on their faces. I put no pressure on Éamonn to come back in.
"I didn’t go ringing him, I left him back at his own pace. He just showed up one night for training. He’s one of our spiritual leaders.
“There have been tears of joy and tears of happiness after both our wins.
“After everything that has happened, it will mean a lot for those fellas if they could win North Kerry.”
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Post by mojo on Dec 15, 2019 8:56:14 GMT
Any few late decisions on the winners of the 2019 splashball championship? Surly be a few fish around the ballylongford pitch today
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Post by An Bradán on Dec 15, 2019 14:12:19 GMT
Football in North Kerry not in a great state. How many North Kerry teams are making up spots in Division 4 and 5 in the county? Ballydonoghue are nearly the most startling as they have so much talent within their team and don't seem to be doing much with it. They should be a division 2 team with the squad they have. I think the big difference is lack of competitive schools in the area. Tarbert Comp are shocking given their numbers and pick and St. Michaels and Causeway aren't exactly powerhouses either. Compare this to East/Mid Kerry where Pres Milltown are now competing and winning at A schools level. It's not like the talent isn't there in North Kerry. The Pobalscoil Corca Dhuidne teams that won all irelands were constantly competing against Shannon Rangers teams at the same age group but started to pull away from around the age of 16. Ballydonoghue will be in Division 2 for 2020, but I agree they should be doing better in county junior championship, the underage success at high level in underage over the last number years has not moved to senior glory. have they lost some of that underage batch Schools football in the area is shocking. No concerted effort by any of the schools to push on and progress. It's all relative but compared to the levels of prep in the Green or the Sem it's nowhere. This added to the scattering of players from Ballybunion to Abbeyfeale doesn't help. The standard is poor unfortunately as clubs bar a few notable exceptions labour down the divisions in the county League. This is replicated down at underage level and so it continues. There have been a few exceptional club age groups but unless a club raises standards year after year it's never going to work. Ballydonoghue are always trotted out as an example but they had an exceptional bunch of players at one age-group. Other than that it's been pretty typical of NK standards. Duagh had a team competing at Div 1 level at u14 years ago. By minor I think they could hardly field 15. Listowel have had tons of strong teams and plenty Kerry minors as have Ballyduff. Moyvane had a fine bunch of u14's lately. Are they progressing and what's coming up behind ? Finuge are not producing Kerry stars like they did before. They've a young senior team but can they move on with so many dual players ? What about Beale, Ballylongford and Asdee, Knocknagoshel and Tarbert Brosna and St. Senans feature in the NK final today and seem to be doing something right. The county board are at last waking up to the long term decline of NK football but are the players, clubs and schools ambitious enough to take things on themselves. Apologies for the long post but I'm not heading to the frozen wastes of Ballylongford today. I've a dose of man flu and can't risk pneumonia. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 15, 2019 16:06:13 GMT
Ballydonoghue will be in Division 2 for 2020, but I agree they should be doing better in county junior championship, the underage success at high level in underage over the last number years has not moved to senior glory. have they lost some of that underage batch Schools football in the area is shocking. No concerted effort by any of the schools to push on and progress. It's all relative but compared to the levels of prep in the Green or the Sem it's nowhere. This added to the scattering of players from Ballybunion to Abbeyfeale doesn't help. The standard is poor unfortunately as clubs bar a few notable exceptions labour down the divisions in the county League. This is replicated down at underage level and so it continues. There have been a few exceptional club age groups but unless a club raises standards year after year it's never going to work. Ballydonoghue are always trotted out as an example but they had an exceptional bunch of players at one age-group. Other than that it's been pretty typical of NK standards. Duagh had a team competing at Div 1 level at u14 years ago. By minor I think they could hardly field 15. Listowel have had tons of strong teams and plenty Kerry minors as have Ballyduff. Moyvane had a fine bunch of u14's lately. Are they progressing and what's coming up behind ? Finuge are not producing Kerry stars like they did before. They've a young senior team but can they move on with so many dual players ? What about Beale, Ballylongford and Asdee, Knocknagoshel and Tarbert Brosna and St. Senans feature in the NK final today and seem to be doing something right. The county board are at last waking up to the long term decline of NK football but are the players, clubs and schools ambitious enough to take things on themselves. Apologies for the long post but I'm not heading to the frozen wastes of Ballylongford today. I've a dose of man flu and can't risk pneumonia. That's the nub of the symptoms, well much of it anyway, I created a separate thread so we could chew over the underlying causes, maybe even suggest solutions, TCB might take ideas and even GAA HQ read forums, there is no shortage of opinion here, maybe even knowledge, now let's see if we can walk the talk. There are plenty out there who accuse us of being keyboard warriors, so now's our chance to prove we are more than wafflers. Bradán all but uncaps the wart that is rural depopulation and it gets's interesting when you compare say rural parishes with towns of varying size. Would South Kerry school leavers gravitate to Killarney for work - do say Listowel, Tralee and Killarney each benefit overall in this respect? Of course many will commute from cities, but mainly the better players with few inter-county panelists changing clubs, do others quietly hang up the boots? Then many commute daily - I'd say the majority of Listowel milk factory workers come from outside the town but then again I don't think they take on many new staff nowdays, what with some operations moved to the UK with Brexit. Dairymaster in Causeway is expanding though and hurling factor would be significant. If TCB is serious they might look at the county overall and a wider population study will throw up more pieces of the jigsaw It is not a subject where we need to be crossing swords, we have lot to learn from each other's experiences and the diversity on here never ceases to amaze. Meanwhile well done to Senans, next year will be another year for the Brosna warriors. |
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Post by thechosenone on Dec 15, 2019 16:18:11 GMT
St Senans 2-06 Brosna 0-06 FT
St Senans 0-05 Brosna 0-01 HT
Barry Mahony with MOTM performance for Senans in what was ultimately a poor spectacle. David Foran introduced mid way through the second half played a part in both goals. Sean T kept Paul Walsh very quiet. Tom McGoldrick the pick of the Brosna lads.
Senans well worth their victory and looking good for 3 in a row next year.
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Post by veteran on Dec 15, 2019 17:20:53 GMT
St. Senans 2-6. Brosna 0-6. HT. 0-5. 0-1
In spite of the widespread disgruntlement with the location for this match and in spite of the inclement weather a huge crowd was crammed into Ballylongford today. Value for money? Perhaps, but it must be stated that St. Senans always looked superior to their opponents , vastly superior at certain stages, even if it was late in the game before they put a stake through the heart of a game Brosna side.
It is remarkable the impact of finally cresting , what was once an unconquerable hill , has on the the psyche of a team. St. Senans , so often the whipping boy in North Kerry, played today with the confidence and swagger of champions. Most things they did were done with a calm and purpose as if they were convinced that they would cope with any obstacle Brosna put in their way. That is what champions generally do and that is why it became apparent from an early stage today that they would retain their crown.
In spite of the heavy sod, St. Senans played some exemplary football in that opening half and this was facilitated by the pace of some of their leading men, the likes of Sean T. Dillon, Barry O’Mahony and second half sub, David Foran. The conditions and the sod ensured that scores were going to be hard earned. Brosna got the opening score , a free from Paul Walsh for a foul on himself. That was their only score of the half while St. Senans registered five, two apiece from Sean O’Connell and Paudie Quille- all from play. A couple of those resulted from exquisite , disguised deliveries from Barry O’Mahony. Barry scored one himself as well. Brosna could make no headway against a bullet proof Senans defence , where Bill Keane, Sean T.Dillon and Mark Behan were masterful all through. Crucially, a great Brosna movement for a goal ended in despair for them . They devised a clever onslaught down the right wing , Adam Barry then crossed to Patrick Moriarty who unleashed with his left foot bu an unyielding Bill Keane executed a goal saving block. A turning point for sure.
Another hugely significant incident happened after about ten minutes in that half. Midfielder, Dave Curtin, colossal in the replay against Ballyduff, went off injured. Another turning point.
On the resumption, Brosna came out revitalized. Every ball was fought for with body endangering intensity but in spite of that , scores were painfully slow in being registered but being registered they were with Tom McGoldrick kicking three in all from play. He also had two from placed balls. Their supporters sensed something big could happen and became very vocal. Not unlike the first half, the goal they desperately needed nearly came . Another fine movement finished with Paul Walsh , for once escaping the leech that was Sean T., got inside and sent a screamer across the goals and just wide. Still , Brosna were hanging on and had narrowed the gap to the minimum when Barry O’Mahony not for the frost time made a decisive intervention. He soared to the clouds for a kickout, the ball was worked up the field and the ever dangerous Sean O’Connell finished to the net. A sickener for Brosna after a valiant resurrection. David Foran, a hugely effective second half sub at wing back on Adam Barry, knifed through for a second goal. Cup destined for the Halfway for the second successive year. No argument.
Significantly, young Paul Walsh could never escape the incarceration which Sean T. imposed. Neither Adam Barry or Paul scored from play. It is difficult for Brosna to thrive in that scenario. Mike Finnegan, Eamon Kiely , Timmy Finnegan , Tom McGoldrick could not have done much more for their cause. They also lost a good forward in the second half through injury, Patrick Moriarty.
The champions had stars all over the field but presumably the official man of the match will go to midfielder Barry O’Mahony. That would be the appropriate decision. He was in a different class to most others.
The match was played without rancour making matters very easy for the referee.
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Post by clubman on Dec 15, 2019 23:29:30 GMT
Big crowd at the game?
I see that Brendan Griffin is down to ref the SK final next week, best in the business so its no wonder he seems to get the big games.
Unlucky for Brosna, i thought this might be their year
Congrats to Senans, 2 in a row probably seemed a bit far fetched 3 or 4 years ago, a fair achievement
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Post by goonised on Dec 16, 2019 2:10:26 GMT
Great crowd. Mostly covered in sxxt. From muddy embankment. Game was terrible. Can't believe I drove to nearly Tarbert for parking. Should have went East Kerry
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Post by fairplay2all on Dec 17, 2019 18:50:36 GMT
Firstly a big congrats to St Senans , undoubtedly the best team in the day , very disappointing from Brosna , too many players failed to deliver on the day . What a display by young Barry O Mahoney , a star in the making !! Is he the only player ever to receive back to back man of the match awards in North Kerry Finals ??
Well done to ballylongford, the grounds were in great shape considering the amount of rain that fell and one of the biggest cheers of the day was when the ball bounced over one of the Senans lads head !!
Credit must go to the much slandered North Kerry Bord ! Choice of venue was least talked about topic in the pubs in ballylongford village after game
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 17, 2019 22:27:31 GMT
For me Barry O'Mahony was a better prospect than Diarmaid O'Connor in that minor winning team albeit Diarmaid might have more silky skills. I understand PK rates him.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 18, 2019 3:06:53 GMT
News on here is patchy, only just heard that Ballydonoghue playing with half last years team, our Eamon Walsh retired!
Great to hear that Bally' on the day was like the Bally' of old, while there's life there's hope and rural revival is a big big challenge for the GAA.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 18, 2019 15:58:10 GMT
Barry Mahony is a great prospect. What position do you think he would be best suited to at inter county level? I think he's a bit small for midfield so either wing back or a hardworking wing forward, I think I would be leaning towards wing back.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 19, 2019 2:35:39 GMT
Barry Mahony is a great prospect. What position do you think he would be best suited to at inter county level? I think he's a bit small for midfield so either wing back or a hardworking wing forward, I think I would be leaning towards wing back. Difference between club star and county star is the ability to read the game, anticipation, where will the ball fall next, etc. An ex county man told me recently that in the day such was more vital for forwards, these days for 1-15, the bar is rising, even Clux has changed that paradigm, great for us spectators but Lord help the players, and help 'em he will, starting with The Kingdom! Eddie Dowling tagged Tadhgeen Kennelly as a 'Dandy footballer' - wow, said he could play 2-14, dad Tim was 2-7, 'a back' a deir Eddie! Poor auld Noel was only both too! |
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Post by southward on Feb 15, 2020 10:33:47 GMT
None of that over in Killarney, where the good and civilised folk contented themselves with fiercely contested leprechaun-knitting and money-counting championships. |
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