Kerry v Dublin All-Ireland Final 1/9/2019 Aug 22, 2019 23:05:54 GMT via mobile
Post by wayupnorth on Aug 22, 2019 23:05:54 GMT
Wexford and Kerry won four in a row titles way back but I cannot comment on the relative merits of the teams because I never saw them play, neither did Kerryheadred I would imagine. So, I will be charitable and assume he is referring to Dublin of the present era vis a vis Kerry of the golden years. To appreciate that Kerry team in an adult fashion one would need to be aged fifty plus now. I do not know if Kerryheadred had reached the ago of football reason to witness that Kerry team in the flesh. If not, I suggest he should not be making claims he cannot substantiate, hearsay is not admissible. But perhaps ha was of a sufficient age to make a rational assessment of that team and is therefore allowed back into the discourse with the rider that he acknowledges that the phrase "of all time" is usually preserve of bluffers.
So to the nub of Kerryheadred's thesis, that this Dublin team is greater than Kerry of the golden years. He may be right and indeed there are a lot of people who would agree with him although most of those people would be prepared to suspend judgement until the outcome of the final is known. If Dublin win that match then those people can at least point to the fact that Dublin achieved five in a row whereas Kerry did not. But Kerrheadred does not need the affirmation of the five in a row to assert Dublin's pre-eminence. I find that a little difficult to accept.
I have been following football for sixty years or more and I usually shy away from comparing players and teams from different era. For the most part I find those comparisons odious. It is like comparing chalk and cheese. If you want to compare these Kerry/Dublin teams one would need to be able to play tricks with time and pluck that Kerry team into the present and subject them to the advances made in various disciples that Dublin of the present era enjoy: increased knowledge in medical and diagnostic and physiotherapy fields, increased knowledge in nutrition and dietetics, increased knowledge in optimal coaching/training methods, increased knowledge in rest and recovery, increased knowledge in the field of psychology, increased knowledge in statistical and video analysis etc etc. It is reasonable to assume that Kerry of the golden years would be enhanced considerably if all those aids had been available to them. Conversely, if the present Dublin team could be dragged back to the seventies/eighties and could only avail of the aids of the time how would they fare? If we cannot make these time adjustments then comparison is futile,little more than pub talk.
On a final point. If somebody thinks that it is valid to compare these two teams the least they could do is go through the teams, position by position. Compare Charlie Nelligan to Stephen Cluxton, Paidi to Phil McMahon etc and come down on the side of one players with reasons for the selection. That is the least I would expect from some one daring or naïve enough to say one team is superior to the other.
Some years ago there was a debate on the relative merits of Muhammad Ali and Rocky Marciano as to was was the greater heavyweight boxer,they being from different era and both having their adherents. They collated every available data in respect of both contenders and fed it into a computer. I am not sure what the outcome was but there was no shortage of controversary in any case. Perhaps some bright, unbiased undergraduate would undertake that exercise in respect of Kerry/Dublin as a subject for an advanced university degree. The results would be intriguing but would be unlikely to settle the debate I suspect.
I hate the “best of all time” phrase when it obviously refers to something that has not been around for all time like Films, CDs and Gaelic Football. Was Setanta a better hurler than Henry Shefin? How can anyone know.?
I am also old enough to remember the computer match up between Ali and Marciano. The outcome was a points win for Marciano. Ali’s response was priceless: “That computer must have been made in Alabama”. So even computer programmes are not the answer as conscious and unconscious biases can creep in.