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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2019 10:36:06 GMT
why are people talking about us playing a sweeper yesterday.....we didnt play one.
we should have done, but we didnt.
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Post by decondd2 on Aug 12, 2019 10:37:21 GMT
Some of the Verbal abuse by some Tyrone fans was horrific especially when young children were nearby. I saw some parents cringing. After all it's a game and we come to support and enjoy our team, not to be subjected to vile abuse. Anyone else experience this? We were in the Season Ticket section right beside the Tyrone fans. They were loud and supportive but not abusive. Kerry fans a lot worse. One fella stood up at Half Time roared about how * Tyrone play, said he was giving up his season ticket and walked out. Had a good laugh at Full Time at the empty seat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 10:39:25 GMT
I had a pretty obnoxious Kerry fan near me also in the season ticket section. He left with 5 minutes to go.
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Post by clarinman on Aug 12, 2019 10:43:13 GMT
Some of the Verbal abuse by some Tyrone fans was horrific especially when young children were nearby. I saw some parents cringing. After all it's a game and we come to support and enjoy our team, not to be subjected to vile abuse. Anyone else experience this? The only verbal abuse I witnessed yesterday was from a Kerry "supporter" sitting 2 rows in front of me in the Cusack stand section 508. He was extremely abusive and aggressive to the Tyrone fans sitting behind him after the Kerry goal. Any Tyrone people I met yesterday were decent GAA people.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Aug 12, 2019 10:50:15 GMT
Seen another Tyrone fan on twitter giving out that a woman Kerry can hit her and roaring after the goal. Strange.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Aug 12, 2019 10:50:41 GMT
Well done lads. It wasn’t looking great at half time though. Far better team second half though. We’re heading down to the Kingdom next week, so I’m looking forward to experiencing the build up and atmosphere around the place, ahead of the final. What parts you going to?
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2019 11:05:22 GMT
are we going to bother even playing the final? written off completely and have no chance what so ever according to almost everybody, going off the analysis today.
youd swear only Dublin beat Mayo by 10 points in the lats few weeks and we both didnt score 16 points in the second half of our semis.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 12, 2019 11:07:16 GMT
Didn't see or hear anything myself from either set of supporters tbh in Hogan 334 no interaction at all really which in itself is unusual.the section was 80% kerry I thought we definitely had the more fans there and by a good bit which is not something you can say often!
Some people lose the run of themselves at these games a lot of aggro can happen which I just don't understand at all. The only problem I had was a kerry fan next to me wouldn't shut up but he is my father so couldn't do much about it !
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Post by greengreengrass on Aug 12, 2019 11:08:12 GMT
Anyone have a link/copy of the game? Heart is being broken by the rte player
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 12, 2019 11:10:33 GMT
Some of the Verbal abuse by some Tyrone fans was horrific especially when young children were nearby. I saw some parents cringing. After all it's a game and we come to support and enjoy our team, not to be subjected to vile abuse. Anyone else experience this? The only verbal abuse I witnessed yesterday was from a Kerry "supporter" sitting 2 rows in front of me in the Cusack stand section 508. He was extremely abusive and aggressive to the Tyrone fans sitting behind him after the Kerry goal. Any Tyrone people I met yesterday were decent GAA people. Crowd was very flat yesterday - came accross little or no banter between fans. Second half generated some life but maybe I was in a Kerry cluster. Had a look at Tyrone twitter and its a mix between anti Deegan and anti Harte with a share of people just saying thanks to the team for their efforts. I thought Deegan had a poor game - gave us nothing in the first half and gave us a few soft frees in the second. He seemed to have a fixation with any contact to a players back but you could maul them otherwise. He seemed intent on keeping his cards in his pocket at times and the foul on Shane Ryan has seen many a player walk in the past.
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2019 11:14:11 GMT
so Gough lives in Dublin.
Coldrick i though is a few miles inside Meath Border?
where does Dublin Joe live?
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Post by billh on Aug 12, 2019 11:15:52 GMT
why are people talking about us playing a sweeper yesterday.....we didnt play one. we should have done, but we didnt. Looked to me like Murphy was sweeping in 1st half. Yes, Foley and Morley were having a tough time of it but I’m assuming he was directed to play top of the D and stop traffic as opposed to doubling up McShane. Couldn’t tell from the TV coverage what happened in 2nd half though(?). Was Murphy then left man to man?
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Post by jackiel on Aug 12, 2019 11:22:14 GMT
so Gough lives in Dublin. Coldrick i though is a few miles inside Meath Border? where does Dublin Joe live? Coldrick also lives in Dublin, his home club is Blackhall Gaels in Batterstown/Kilcloon.
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2019 11:22:30 GMT
murphy was no more playing a sweeper than i was yesterday. it was man to man all over the pitch HOWEVER some tyrone players dropped so deep or so wide, we never followed them that far
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2019 11:25:09 GMT
murphy was no more playing a sweeper than i was yesterday. it was man to man all over the pitch HOWEVER some tyrone players dropped so deep or so wide, we never followed them that far The Sunday Game showed clearly that Murphy was playing sweeper - although not deep enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 11:28:38 GMT
I think Murphy’s position was aimed at preventing guys running through the middle.
Due to Kerry’s lack of pressure, Tyrone were able to bypass Murphy quite easily with good ball in to mcshane with Murphy caught in no mans land
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2019 11:30:49 GMT
murphy was no more playing a sweeper than i was yesterday. it was man to man all over the pitch HOWEVER some tyrone players dropped so deep or so wide, we never followed them that far The Sunday Game showed clearly that Murphy was playing sweeper - although not deep enough. they probably picked out 30 seconds worth of clips from 78 mins of football. 99% of that game, there was a huge gap and Murphy was nowhere near it.
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Post by kot on Aug 12, 2019 11:35:34 GMT
Great performance in the 2nd half. Didn't see a way back at half time and had that horrible deja vu feeling from '03. The shadow of Dublin looms large but we won't worry about that for the next day or two anyway.
O'Brien hopefully gets one of the black cards rescinded. Madness to think a fella can miss out on a final because of an infraction back in winter!! Plus his black last week was never a black.
Regarding "fans", there wasn't any agro from where i was sitting. Chatting to a few Tyrone fellas after and they were fairly gracious while obviously disappointed. Same old story for them, once they fall behind they don't seem to have a knack to adjust and change their style.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2019 11:46:59 GMT
The Sunday Game showed clearly that Murphy was playing sweeper - although not deep enough. they probably picked out 30 seconds worth of clips from 78 mins of football. 99% of that game, there was a huge gap and Murphy was nowhere near it. "not deep enough"
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Post by buck02 on Aug 12, 2019 11:57:29 GMT
The Sunday Game showed clearly that Murphy was playing sweeper - although not deep enough. they probably picked out 30 seconds worth of clips from 78 mins of football. 99% of that game, there was a huge gap and Murphy was nowhere near it. Fair point but that doesnt some of the half baked attempts at gaining possession made by the lads behind Murphy. Your going to get a belt at this level and some guys need to wise up to that.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 12, 2019 12:07:03 GMT
murphy was no more playing a sweeper than i was yesterday. it was man to man all over the pitch HOWEVER some tyrone players dropped so deep or so wide, we never followed them that far The Sunday Game showed clearly that Murphy was playing sweeper - although not deep enough. Sunday game pundits are fixated on systems and sweepers - they assumed Kerry were playing a sweeper and he was poorly positioned. They then selectively showed clips to confirm their "expert opinion" and show how brilliant they are. Kerry played man to man primarily but where Tyrone retreated Kerry only followed so far, preferring to protect the central space and stop plug the gaping hole the pundits cracked on about with lovely clips after other matches. Pundits are wannabe managers who either failed dismally or were never trusted with the responsibility - empty cans.....
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2019 12:13:32 GMT
Tommy Griffin came in twice to Paul in the first half and the result was Paul marking space around the D ...he looked like he was unclear of whether to stay or go at times.
Is that player a sweeper. If not, what is it...
It seemed to be a different approach in the second half
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 12, 2019 12:16:01 GMT
When Tyrone took to the field yesterday it seemed they brought have the county with them - I saw jersey numbers as high as 32 on the field during the warm up. What is the story about 26 man panels and how are they allowed bring their entire trainng panel onto the field - surely only named players should be participating in warm up's?
Can anyone shed any light on the rules relating to this?
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 12, 2019 12:20:15 GMT
Well done lads. It wasn’t looking great at half time though. Far better team second half though. We’re heading down to the Kingdom next week, so I’m looking forward to experiencing the build up and atmosphere around the place, ahead of the final. What parts you going to? Staying near Killarney, so will spend time there. Plus, planning to visit the Dingle Peninsula and do some of the Ring.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 12, 2019 12:25:13 GMT
Tommy Griffin came in twice to Paul in the first half and the result was Paul marking space around the D ...he looked like he was unclear of whether to stay or go at times. Is that player a sweeper. If not, what is it... It seemed to be a different approach in the second half In the context of yesterdays game a sweeper would have played closer to the 21 than the 65 - without having heard what Griffin said to Murhpy I would have interpreted it as being don't follow beyond our half - be the guy who slows down the advance. PK has a style of slow the advance and allow the defence to get shape - played this with the minors and now with the seniors. Mc Shane was excellent and we coughed up a lot of points from the direct ball into him but no goals. We did not seem intent on cutting out these balls and giving extra help to the two inside backs, we were more worried about runners coming through. Call it a sweeper if you want but I think it happened due to Tyrone players retreating rather than by design.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2019 12:31:21 GMT
Tommy Griffin came in twice to Paul in the first half and the result was Paul marking space around the D ...he looked like he was unclear of whether to stay or go at times. Is that player a sweeper. If not, what is it... It seemed to be a different approach in the second half In the context of yesterdays game a sweeper would have played closer to the 21 than the 65 - without having heard what Griffin said to Murhpy I would have interpreted it as being don't follow beyond our half - be the guy who slows down the advance. PK has a style of slow the advance and allow the defence to get shape - played this with the minors and now with the seniors. Mc Shane was excellent and we coughed up a lot of points from the direct ball into him but no goals. We did not seem intent on cutting out these balls and giving extra help to the two inside backs, we were more worried about runners coming through. Call it a sweeper if you want but I think it happened due to Tyrone players retreating rather than by design. So it was a case of hold the half back line rather than an extra sweeper?
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Post by 1979 on Aug 12, 2019 12:46:37 GMT
In the context of yesterdays game a sweeper would have played closer to the 21 than the 65 - without having heard what Griffin said to Murhpy I would have interpreted it as being don't follow beyond our half - be the guy who slows down the advance. PK has a style of slow the advance and allow the defence to get shape - played this with the minors and now with the seniors. Mc Shane was excellent and we coughed up a lot of points from the direct ball into him but no goals. We did not seem intent on cutting out these balls and giving extra help to the two inside backs, we were more worried about runners coming through. Call it a sweeper if you want but I think it happened due to Tyrone players retreating rather than by design. So it was a case of hold the half back line rather than an extra sweeper? He was obviously not playing the usual “sweep the D” role. In fairness I thought he did a good job at scampering back to cut off the risk of a goal when the ball went in long.
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2019 13:02:26 GMT
alot of noteable names missing off the match day 26 yesterday.....
14 of the 26, hadnt kicked a ball in championship before last June 2018. the level of experience we have is very low for a final.
that said, i love the way it was all "these lads dont have a big game win at croke park" when none of them had ever played a big championship game at croke park before yesterday - non knock out super 8 games are nowhere near as important.
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Post by taibhse on Aug 12, 2019 13:05:02 GMT
Homerj makes a good point. I can recall the same distinction being made in 2014 when the ‘experts’ asserted that Kerry played a sweeper against Donegal. Eamon Fitzmaurice was adamant that we did not do anything of the sort – that the half-back line just held their positions and did not venture forward.
How do you equate a defender holding his line with being a ‘sweeper’? In the absence of a fuller definition, the emphasis should rightly be on what the forward does, i.e. ‘roving half forward’.
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Post by homerj on Aug 12, 2019 13:13:36 GMT
exactly...our lads just held their positions and didnt at times follow their men back to the Tyrone D.
its absolutely poor analysis to say we played a sweeper - we needed one, but that never game. IMO somebody like Griffan would have been ideal but he must be injured is he?
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