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Post by buck02 on Aug 4, 2019 12:14:02 GMT
I don't know how many times I have posted about Kerry's kick out strategy. For God's sake settle on a plan. We were all at sea with kick outs yesterday evening. Even though we won a fair share of them our display was not good enough and certainly would contribute to our Not beating Dublin. Watch a video of Dublin kiickouts. I know I'll be blasted for saying that but it needs to be said How long have we been watching Cuxton and what have we learned ? Do you think we will employ the same kick out strategy next weekend as we did yesterday?
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Post by themanfromthewest on Aug 4, 2019 12:42:55 GMT
I don't know how many times I have posted about Kerry's kick out strategy. For God's sake settle on a plan. We were all at sea with kick outs yesterday evening. Even though we won a fair share of them our display was not good enough and certainly would contribute to our Not beating Dublin. Watch a video of Dublin kiickouts. I know I'll be blasted for saying that but it needs to be said How long have we been watching Cuxton and what have we learned ? Do you think we will employ the same kick out strategy next weekend as we did yesterday? This. In the Munster final we gave Cork their kickouts. We then dismantled Mayo kickouts completely in the following game. It’s horses for courses depending on the opposition. Kerry had another gear yesterday if it was needed.
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Post by southward on Aug 4, 2019 12:49:06 GMT
Lads, Stephen o Brien and Gavin white!? Are they out for the semi final due to black cards or are they one away from been suspended ? The 3 blacks and you're out rule has to be revoked until and unless officials are capable of distinguishing between black card, yellow card and no card incidents. A forward running straight into his opponent is not a black card for the defender; it should be a free the other way. A player putting a hand on another player who then falls to the ground is not a pulldown i.e. not a black card. Not a yellow either for that matter. How is there no card for the two-man pull down on Tommy Walsh last night? A textbook black, surely. While a good idea in its inception, the black/yellow/no card system is such a lottery now, it's lost all credibility. Cards are being issued too easily and too arbitrarily and are open to being manufacured by opponents. Also, am I right in saying that there's no limit to the amount of single yellows a player can pick up without further sanction? In that context, it's crazy that any player should miss a big day over 3 blacks in a year.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2019 12:55:53 GMT
Do you think we will employ the same kick out strategy next weekend as we did yesterday? This. In the Munster final we gave Cork their kickouts. We then dismantled Mayo kickouts completely in the following game. It’s horses for courses depending on the opposition. Kerry had another gear yesterday if it was needed. Has Shane Ryan dispended with the kicking tee. I dont think he used it at all last night.
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 4, 2019 12:56:14 GMT
Tommy Walsh did reasonably well yesterday but if introduced again he should be instructed to never shoot for the posts unless he is in Gerry Armstrong range, "deadly from six inches".
Of concern is the roasting Jason Foley received from albeit a very promising 19 year old. On the other hand Shane Enright's return to form is a big plus. Also great to see David Shaw on the first 26, possibly a year too soon to see some action, then again maybe not.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 4, 2019 13:23:27 GMT
Tyrone won’t have to score any own goals today The Dubs will do plenty of that you Gavin can not afford to try lose a game he’s got to go hard for the win every time cannot mess with the psyche of this team. It’s going to be dreadful viewing with lots of subs on but Id rather watch it that the game in Cork . Tomas o Se had the Red Card rescinded just curious as to why he didn’t get a few minutes yesterday maybe paperwork either way good to have the option especially late on in game I’m a big fan of Gavin White offers us a lot and has the opposition always on guard for his strong runs but can someone please teach this man how to tackle properly tackle hard like the Mayo lads but no soft fouls please
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Post by taggert on Aug 4, 2019 13:29:07 GMT
Against Donegal and Mayo, we went man-on-man and while we scored heavily, we were also exposed at times at the other end by leaving far too much space in front of the full back line.
Meath were very consistent throughout all S8 games - in the thick of it until tge the last 15 when lack of legs, big game experience and squad depth did for them. What is not clear, and will be revealed next weekend, is the extent to which Kerry played within themselves - I was there and felt we looked very like a team mentally that had 1 foot in the semi's and one that felt whatever Meath would throw at them, it wouldnt be enough. It meant that the edge we had against Mayo, and Donegal, was not there. This was manifest in terms of work rate and physicality - we were a level below where we will be next weekend. An example being the kickouts and the very poor co-ordinated movement by all.
I personally didnt have a problem with the performance as next weekend: - Mental and physical edge will be upped considerably, for a winner takes all affair - A refreshed Clifford will hopefully lead the attack - A much more concerted team effort will pertain for our own and the opposition kick outs - Any complacency that was present yesterday will be absent
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Post by wideball on Aug 4, 2019 13:34:26 GMT
Jason Foley fell while in possession of the ball and attempted to fist away the ball on the ground. He was promptly penalised by the referee. Am I correct in thinking that he was wrongly judged to have fouled the ball? It is my understanding that under the GAA rules, anyone who falls or is knocked to the ground is allowed to play the ball on the ground - as long as it is one strike. Jason was on the ground with both hands on the ball when it just about touched the grass. So it was just a standard 'off the ground' call I think. This is the issue with the whole rulebook in reality. Why not have a blanket/catch all rule that if the ball is touched on the ground it's a free no exceptions. Is it a wonder referees make mistakes when rules are open to such interpretation?
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 4, 2019 13:36:33 GMT
Lads, Stephen o Brien and Gavin white!? Are they out for the semi final due to black cards or are they one away from been suspended ? Both available next week as on 2 black cards each - dangerous territory now as another would have them on the sideline on 1st Sept should we reach the final.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 4, 2019 13:44:23 GMT
What is the story with Clifford any updates? Back spasm, should be fine for next weekend.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2019 13:47:13 GMT
Lads, Stephen o Brien and Gavin white!? Are they out for the semi final due to black cards or are they one away from been suspended ? Both available next week as on 2 black cards each - dangerous territory now as another would have them on the sideline on 1st Sept should we reach the final. even a yellow would mean missing the next game. Defo felt PK should have rested them v meath
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Post by diego on Aug 4, 2019 14:41:30 GMT
Both available next week as on 2 black cards each - dangerous territory now as another would have them on the sideline on 1st Sept should we reach the final. even a yellow would mean missing the next game. Defo felt PK should have rested them v meath Double yellow or a black. Single yellow not a problem.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2019 14:56:56 GMT
Team selections in Omagh will probably kill off the Super 8 concept now.
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Post by gbbuei on Aug 4, 2019 18:42:45 GMT
Kerry lost a lot of their own kickouts in the first half. Think the stat on Sky at HT was 14 to 4 (!!) in Meath’s favour on own kick-outs. Granted they nearly went short with everything. Which made it curious we didn’t press like we did in first half against Mayo.
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Post by gbbuei on Aug 4, 2019 18:44:07 GMT
Perfect preparation for next weekend. Play adequately, win pulling up and don't give much away. Only blot in the copybook were the black cards but I expect an appeal on the O Brien one. It was only slightly less ridiculous than the black card the Meath fella got straight after. A case could be made that Whites was not a pull down too when you look at it in slow motion. I thought the Meath one was a definite black card. Body checked Seán O’Se
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Post by gbbuei on Aug 4, 2019 18:45:17 GMT
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Post by gbbuei on Aug 4, 2019 18:51:56 GMT
Great to see such a strong Kerry crowd, the Meath supporters who sauntered in late were not happy to find the stand full. The stand seemed to be packed with Kerry supporters. An odd occurrence was the half time pitch invasion. Is this a Meath tradition? I thought it would delay the start of the second half but there was a very orderly withdrawal. They invite kids (must accompanied by an adult) to bring a ball and go on to the pitch at HT
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Post by gbbuei on Aug 4, 2019 19:01:29 GMT
Bit concerned about the isolation of Morley and Foley last night. The moving of Paul Murphy back to sweeper before HT helped but it was a warning ahead of next weekend. Meath had 13 behind the ball with 2 up in the first half. Tyrone will have something similar except maybe 3 up. McShane, Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte. We probably need to deploy a sweeper to cut out the exposure.
That all said with better discipline and if Cox had kicked a couple of frees he normally would score Ros should have beaten Tyrone. And Cork gave Tyrone plenty of it too.
So we have plenty to be confident about going in next Sunday. If we bring our A game we’ll win.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 4, 2019 20:41:54 GMT
Kerry lost a lot of their own kickouts in the first half. Think the stat on Sky at HT was 14 to 4 (!!) in Meath’s favour on own kick-outs. Granted they nearly went short with everything. Which made it curious we didn’t press like we did in first half against Mayo. Kerry did well on kickout against Mayo. I thought they were very sloppy against Meath. How can Dublin be so exact and consistent at kickouts. We will win nothing till we fix this.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Aug 7, 2019 19:12:53 GMT
Awkward game for Kerry and job done.
Very impressed with management who clearly cover all the angles required to be covered in the modern game.
In relation to the actual match I think it’s fair to say that most players were relatively anonymous without playing poorly.
O’Shea, K Spillane, Morley and Moran did very well I thought.
Great to see such a large Kerry crowd in attendance.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2019 21:15:14 GMT
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Post by fitz on Aug 7, 2019 22:56:10 GMT
Fair play Mick, where’d you get it from?
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Post by veteran on Aug 9, 2019 8:45:37 GMT
A few belated comments on the game.
It was a patchy, uneven performance even though we never looked in trouble. It should also be stressed that this is an improving Meath team and , playing at home, they were well motivated to execute a hijack.
The kickouts again were a cause for a concern and very often the positioning and eagerness to receive them was disappointing. I cannot understand why our backs are not always on high alert for these short kickouts.
Individually and collectively our full back line had possibly their poorest game of the campaign. On two occasions Tadgh Morley contested a high ball side on, in other words he had not positioned himself properly , while on another occasion he fell over pursuing his man. Tom got a bellyful of it while he was on his namesake and Jason struggled on a fellow who is younger than himself. They are a lot better than what they displayed on Saturday and will need to be next Sunday.
I am not sure what to make of Gavin White. Perhaps, like Paul Murphy and Jonathan, he is suffering from the curse of wingback/wingforward conversion syndrome. I wonder, if management are still adamant about converting a wingback to wingforward for tactical purposes , would Brian O'Beaghlaigh be more suitable for the role. He probably is as pacy as Gavin and more purposeful from the standpoint of scoring, with UCC as well.
The biggest disappointment for me was the poor form of Adrian. It was evident from a very early stage that he was not on his game. He has been a very important player for us heretofore and it is imperative that he holds up his quin on Sunday.
I believe Michael Burns was displeased at being replaced . He need have no complaints. Advice for Michael: work harder and use your pace. Ditto for Dara Moynihan.
Tommy Walsh did reasonably well when ha came one. Advice for Tommy: Rather than taking crazy shots, lay it off quickly to our shooters. We are blessed to have a good few.
Jack Sherwood was prominent when he came on for Adrian but I was surprised that Jack Barry did not get more game time.
Hope young David is fully tuned for Sunday.
If we play with a full hand and avoid our customary stupid cards I would be very hopeful against Tyrone.
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Post by fitz on Aug 9, 2019 13:28:59 GMT
Also, I'm sure Tyrone will test our full back line aerially with some long deliveries into McShane
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