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Post by colinsworth1 on Jun 3, 2019 16:14:32 GMT
All due respects to Adrian and Mark and David who owe us nothing but can we go out and scout the vast number of Kerry Clubs and find a footballing midfielder like for example Mayo found with young Ruane I cannot possibly accept that there aren’t some top quality midfielders out there in the entirety of Kerry Senior Club Junior club anywhere any division Are the selectors even casting out the net and looking ? Or is it all now restricted to graduates of the development squads ? In which case I argue that we may be missing a few diamonds in the rough . But if we’re content with things as they are they no need to bother .
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Post by clarinman on Jun 3, 2019 16:45:11 GMT
All due respects to Adrian and Mark and David who owe us nothing but can we go out and scout the vast number of Kerry Clubs and find a footballing midfielder like for example Mayo found with young Ruane I cannot possibly accept that there aren’t some top quality midfielders out there in the entirety of Kerry Senior Club Junior club anywhere any division Are the selectors even casting out the net and looking ? Or is it all now restricted to graduates of the development squads ? In which case I argue that we may be missing a few diamonds in the rough . But if we’re content with things as they are they no need to bother . Matthew Ruane was man of the match when mayo won the u21 all Ireland final in 2016. Mayo didn't pluck him out of thin air this season.
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Post by crokes86 on Jun 3, 2019 17:07:18 GMT
Overall a poor performance by Kerry. This was an average Clare side and they gave us enough of it in the second half. Of course it’s early yet but Kerry have some serious work to do before they play Cork.
Midfield were non existent in the second half. We were all over the place.
I can’t understand how Mark Griffin Mike Geaney and Jonathan Lyne are still playing with Kerry. They have been there for years. Just not good enough for that level. I think Cork will be well up for this Munster Final. I except them to give Kerry a good test and we’ll know more after this game. Midfield is a serious issue for Kerry. We looked really tired also in the second half. I have no idea what’s going on there but our fitness level looks off the mark. That’s also worrying. No doubt Paul Murphy and Peter Crowley were a loss. The midfield is my biggest concern going forward
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Post by augustafield on Jun 3, 2019 18:42:00 GMT
Delighted to read your post Veteran . If it’s any consolation to you , I , and if I may be presumptuous , all on this Forum were as disappointed as your good self , to note your initial difficulties in posting it . Your frustration and inconvenience can well be imagined - we have all been there - but thanks for your persistence and for as always your valuable and honest report .
I was not at the match - young persons first communion took precedence - but what concerns me ( apart from poor Kerry second half , maybe to be explained by large half time lead , leading to lack of urgency , and sending offs ) was the debatable officiating . Sean O Shea seems to be the main target - witness the treatment meted out to him in the League final and again on Saturday night . And no protection from the Officials. Last years match against Monaghan was another case in point . If opposing teams feel they can focus on the good players without sanctions against them , they will continue to behave in that way . Unfortunately we don’t have any ‘ hard ‘ men in our ranks and the opposition know that .
In my opinion Paul Geany has suffered in the past because he has been targeted and maybe his enthusiasm has waned as a result . Whilst our youngsters must expect hard hitting and strong but fair challenges it is wrong that off the ball third man tackles and clear dirty and dangerous play is ignored . Football tactics have incurred serious critical analysis recently but skullduggery blatantly ignored could damage the game irrevocably.
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Post by dano on Jun 3, 2019 19:44:47 GMT
Thanks Mickmack for the video. I feel a bit better after seeing that first half. Perhaps the second half can be attributed to the weather and a poor decision on Morans Black Card along with a feeling by guys that enough was done. Agree with posters views on the need for discipline. Great to hear that there's fight in Cork.Great form of the fans who went despite the event in Madrid!
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Post by john4 on Jun 3, 2019 21:07:21 GMT
Delighted to read your post Veteran . If it’s any consolation to you , I , and if I may be presumptuous , all on this Forum were as disappointed as your good self , to note your initial difficulties in posting it . Your frustration and inconvenience can well be imagined - we have all been there - but thanks for your persistence and for as always your valuable and honest report . I was not at the match - young persons first communion took precedence - but what concerns me ( apart from poor Kerry second half , maybe to be explained by large half time lead , leading to lack of urgency , and sending offs ) was the debatable officiating . Sean O Shea seems to be the main target - witness the treatment meted out to him in the League final and again on Saturday night . And no protection from the Officials. Last years match against Monaghan was another case in point . If opposing teams feel they can focus on the good players without sanctions against them , they will continue to behave in that way . Unfortunately we don’t have any ‘ hard ‘ men in our ranks and the opposition know that . In my opinion Paul Geany has suffered in the past because he has been targeted and maybe his enthusiasm has waned as a result . Whilst our youngsters must expect hard hitting and strong but fair challenges it is wrong that off the ball third man tackles and clear dirty and dangerous play is ignored . Football tactics have incurred serious critical analysis recently but skullduggery blatantly ignored could damage the game irrevocably. This is absolutely spot on regarding our lack of a "hard" man on the team. This point was raised on a number of occasions during last year's championship but did not become an issue during the league campaign due to the completely different intensity levels in the two competitions. A character of this sort is sorely missed. Someone who commands respect and feared by all on the field, including officials. I've no doubt that all the fellas on the panel are grand lads but we lack a few right hard cases. They're all getting new cars, and some of them not much more than 20 years of age when what we could do with is the type of character that wouldn't see a lot wrong with stealing a car.
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Post by southward on Jun 3, 2019 21:22:22 GMT
Delighted to read your post Veteran . If it’s any consolation to you , I , and if I may be presumptuous , all on this Forum were as disappointed as your good self , to note your initial difficulties in posting it . Your frustration and inconvenience can well be imagined - we have all been there - but thanks for your persistence and for as always your valuable and honest report . I was not at the match - young persons first communion took precedence - but what concerns me ( apart from poor Kerry second half , maybe to be explained by large half time lead , leading to lack of urgency , and sending offs ) was the debatable officiating . Sean O Shea seems to be the main target - witness the treatment meted out to him in the League final and again on Saturday night . And no protection from the Officials. Last years match against Monaghan was another case in point . If opposing teams feel they can focus on the good players without sanctions against them , they will continue to behave in that way . Unfortunately we don’t have any ‘ hard ‘ men in our ranks and the opposition know that . In my opinion Paul Geany has suffered in the past because he has been targeted and maybe his enthusiasm has waned as a result . Whilst our youngsters must expect hard hitting and strong but fair challenges it is wrong that off the ball third man tackles and clear dirty and dangerous play is ignored . Football tactics have incurred serious critical analysis recently but skullduggery blatantly ignored could damage the game irrevocably. This is absolutely spot on regarding our lack of a "hard" man on the team. This point was raised on a number of occasions during last year's championship but did not become an issue during the league campaign due to the completely different intensity levels in the two competitions. A character of this sort is sorely missed. Someone who commands respect and feared by all on the field, including officials. I've no doubt that all the fellas on the panel are grand lads but we lack a few right hard cases. They're all getting new cars, and some of them not much more than 20 years of age when what we could do with is the type of character that wouldn't see a lot wrong with stealing a car. Problem is, any budding Kerry "hardman" is immediately targeted (1) by the Dublin Joes of this world and (2) by the TSG suspend-a-Kerryman standing committee. Of course the same people won't give a fiddlers if SOS or DC are battered from minutes 1 to 70. btw, Mark Griffin's second yellow was a joke.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 3, 2019 21:34:06 GMT
Dara Moynihan whilst very young strikes me as teak tough.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 3, 2019 21:49:29 GMT
Also thought the same re Griffins second yellow in real time. Haven't seen the replay though.........
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Post by 1979 on Jun 3, 2019 23:02:31 GMT
While I get the “hard man” argument to a point, is it really too much to ask that the referee and supporting officials (of which there are 6) just officiate the game correctly? Does anyone know of a player receiving a black card for verbal abuse? Having watched the Donegal v Fermanagh game last week it was clear as day that there was no shortage of verbals. It seems to me that there are certain “hard man” characteristics that the GAA are happy to put up with.
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Post by ciarraioch1956 on Jun 4, 2019 8:05:20 GMT
All due respects to Adrian and Mark and David who owe us nothing but can we go out and scout the vast number of Kerry Clubs and find a footballing midfielder like for example Mayo found with young Ruane I cannot possibly accept that there aren’t some top quality midfielders out there in the entirety of Kerry Senior Club Junior club anywhere any division Are the selectors even casting out the net and looking ? Or is it all now restricted to graduates of the development squads ? In which case I argue that we may be missing a few diamonds in the rough . But if we’re content with things as they are they no need to bother . Matthew Ruane was man of the match when mayo won the u21 all Ireland final in 2016. Mayo didn't pluck him out of thin air this season.
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Post by ciarraioch1956 on Jun 4, 2019 8:15:34 GMT
Was watching final of Comòrtas Peile na Gaeltachta between An Ghaeltacht and Kilcar(Donegal)Rob Ò Sè gave a sterling performance at midfield for An Ghaeltacht. Should be on the Kerry panel in my view.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 4, 2019 8:40:53 GMT
Was watching final of Comòrtas Peile na Gaeltachta between An Ghaeltacht and Kilcar(Donegal)Rob Ò Sè gave a sterling performance at midfield for An Ghaeltacht. Should be on the Kerry panel in my view. Do intercounty teams go long on almost all kickouts?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 4, 2019 9:04:26 GMT
Was watching final of Comòrtas Peile na Gaeltachta between An Ghaeltacht and Kilcar(Donegal)Rob Ò Sè gave a sterling performance at midfield for An Ghaeltacht. Should be on the Kerry panel in my view. Do intercounty teams go long on almost all kickouts? What's your point? You definetly need good fielders in the middle of the park. It is in my opinion the most important attribute in a midfielder. Kerry go long with the majority of our kick outs, trying to find Moran, Barry, Diarmuid O'Connor etc. And if you push up on the opposition's kick outs, like Kerry do, they have to go long as well. I agree with Ciarraoich, I think Roibeard O'Sé should be on the Kerry panel.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jun 4, 2019 10:17:26 GMT
Roibeard O Shea now that’s the kind of player that’s out there that we’d need to take a serious look at and in a hurry . If he walked into a room I wouldn’t know who he his I don’t get to watch club football as I live. Thar Saile but I clearly remember R o Shea having a stand out performance at Kerry U21 v Galway in 2017 A day when not many played well he really stood out So much so that I was scratching my head saying how come this kid didn’t start today . I took a mental note that day and am delighted to hear he is still playing and playing apparently at a very high level. Great suggestion lads and I’m sure there are a few more , question is are we still looking or are we happy enough with the status quo.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jun 4, 2019 10:17:38 GMT
Roibeard O Shea now that’s the kind of player that’s out there that we’d need to take a serious look at and in a hurry . If he walked into a room I wouldn’t know who he his I don’t get to watch club football as I live. Thar Saile but I clearly remember R o Shea having a stand out performance at Kerry U21 v Galway in 2017 A day when not many played well he really stood out So much so that I was scratching my head saying how come this kid didn’t start today . I took a mental note that day and am delighted to hear he is still playing and playing apparently at a very high level. Great suggestion lads and I’m sure there are a few more , question is are we still looking or are we happy enough with the status quo.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 4, 2019 10:22:52 GMT
At least there isn't massive hype around us anyway! Was it a case of getting rid of a bit of dirty petrol as it was our first game? Last year we played champagne stuff vs clare in killarney cork but were flat in quarters.
Hopefully the opposite will transpire this summer!
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Post by kot on Jun 10, 2019 11:09:51 GMT
Dublin have been getting rid of dirty petrol by winning by a combined total of 40 odd points. Would like to agree and say that might be the cause but can't subscribe it. New management and a lot of new players. They should have been laying down markers against a Clare side who are not great. Regardless of weather and venue.
On the point of Dublin Joe I think that point was made as far back as 2011 by management after his performances in '10 & '11 which couldn't have been more biased if he had the words ABK emblazoned across his ref's jersey. you could also say the same about Gough. But he just appears to be a terrible terrible ref. Shocking again the weekend.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 10, 2019 16:38:39 GMT
On the point of Dublin Joe I think that point was made as far back as 2011 by management after his performances in '10 & '11 which couldn't have been more biased if he had the words ABK emblazoned across his ref's jersey. you could also say the same about Gough. But he just appears to be a terrible terrible ref. Shocking again the weekend. If Davy Fitz was managing Kerry in that 2011 final he would have been in Dublin Joes face after 20 minutes. And rightly so.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 10, 2019 18:50:23 GMT
On the point of Dublin Joe I think that point was made as far back as 2011 by management after his performances in '10 & '11 which couldn't have been more biased if he had the words ABK emblazoned across his ref's jersey. you could also say the same about Gough. But he just appears to be a terrible terrible ref. Shocking again the weekend. If Davy Fitz was managing Kerry in that 2011 final he would have been in Dublin Joes face after 20 minutes. And rightly so. I still get annoyed when I think of that game. How many phantom frees were they awarded that day, never mind leaving Brennan off with two red card offences. It really was dreadful, he basically handed them the game but it got brushed off in the euphoria of Dublin’s long awaited win. If it was the other way around I could only imagine the outrage and calls for a replay.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 10, 2019 20:49:42 GMT
We're as bad as the Mayo crowd.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 10, 2019 21:02:29 GMT
I see you are still struggling with the concept that other people can have a different opinion to your own.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 10, 2019 21:57:14 GMT
We're as bad as the Mayo crowd. I understand there are days you get a few calls and there are days things go against you, I rarely ever complain about refs but that day was different. It really did feel like we were playing 16. Anyway, off topic so will leave it at that
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