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Post by kerrygold on May 27, 2019 8:14:11 GMT
Real question marks now if Mayo are genuine contenders for 2019. They lack consistency and will be depending on a kangaroo performance in a once off game, if they survive the backdoor route & super 8s, against the Dubs. At the end of the day rebuilding Kerry could have snatched the League Final from them this year....................You would want to be a pure gambler to back Mayo now in 2019. Polished Dublin move further away from the field and hold all the aces and all the trump cards in the pack.
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Post by kerrygold on May 27, 2019 8:17:06 GMT
Did EF drop the ball with Conor Cox? Looking at his performances in the league and on Sat he'd have offered us a lot more than a few lads we had on the panel the last few years. Strong, wins his own ball, takes long range scores. Fair play to Conor Cox for making an intercounty life for himself outside of Kerry. He looks to have improved his conditioning to play the intercounty game. The best of luck to him in Roscommon. He has a summer of football to look forward to.
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Post by taibhse on May 27, 2019 8:41:55 GMT
Did EF drop the ball with Conor Cox? Looking at his performances in the league and on Sat he'd have offered us a lot more than a few lads we had on the panel the last few years. Strong, wins his own ball, takes long range scores. Fair play to Conor Cox for making an intercounty life for himself outside of Kerry. He looks to have improved his conditioning to play the intercounty game. The best of luck to him in Roscommon. He has a summer of football to look forward to. Even in his time with the minor panel, Conor was always the type of player that was difficult to evaluate and was never sure of his place. He is primarily a shoot on sight player and while he is very good at that managers look for players who are more willing to be part of the unit. His scoring stats, in all grades, must be very impressive. In fairness to Eamon, Conor was around the panel for quite a while and got a good bit of game time. He was competing for a place where we were strong and had a lot of options. I will agree that there were a few less talented lads in there for ages and made no progress either. I am delighted to see him doing so well and he has added to Roscommon. He could well be playing against Kerry in this years Championship.
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Post by dc84 on May 27, 2019 9:06:46 GMT
Anyone else feeling a bit less optmistic as to where we are after Saturday? We made mayo look like contenders in the league final whereas roscommon showed up some serious fralities in that team. Is it going to be another tough summer struggling in the pack watching dublin canter to 5 in a row?
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Post by kerrygold on May 27, 2019 9:11:34 GMT
Anyone else feeling a bit less optmistic as to where we are after Saturday? We made mayo look like contenders in the league final whereas roscommon showed up some serious fralities in that team. Is it going to be another tough summer struggling in the pack watching dublin canter to 5 in a row? It will be more of a case of Dublin slipping up rather than a team going out and cracking them. Hard to see anything other than a Dublin canter to the 5 in a row at the moment. A Mayo team without a collection of top quality forwards has been Dublin's only bone of contention over the past five seasons.
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Post by dc84 on May 27, 2019 9:46:34 GMT
Anyone else feeling a bit less optmistic as to where we are after Saturday? We made mayo look like contenders in the league final whereas roscommon showed up some serious fralities in that team. Is it going to be another tough summer struggling in the pack watching dublin canter to 5 in a row? It will be more of a case of Dublin slipping up rather than a team going out and cracking them. Hard to see anything other than a Dublin canter to the 5 in a row at the moment. A Mayo team without a collection of top quality forwards has been Dublin's only bone of contention over the past five seasons. I'd say at the moment diarmuid o Connor is the only forward that would make the kerry team. Their full back line docent look as strong as before either if Clifford got more decent ball he wouldve destroyed them in league final. Tyrone look decent in fairness probably the best of the rest mistake has added a different dimension to them this year. Unless David Moran comes back in all-star form hard to see us giving it a serious rattle in all honesty you would love to see the dubs having to really earn the 5 in a row but they are 5-10 points ahead of everyone else in all honesty the standard is poor enough outside of them.
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Post by Mickmack on May 27, 2019 11:30:55 GMT
What Tom Parsons brought to Mayo is being badly missed
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Post by glengael on May 27, 2019 11:33:30 GMT
Monaghan are back in Ulster as it were with Fermanagh in the qualifiers.
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Post by dc84 on May 27, 2019 12:20:08 GMT
What Tom Parsons brought to Mayo is being badly missed And Vaughan and Boyle as Well mayos half backline and midfield has been their platform with aos adding a third mf option. They used to dominate most teams even dublin possession wise using this tactic and personnel . They need 60% possession in reality to win a game as their forwards conversion rates are poor they had what 20 sides against new York and similar against the rossies no team can hope to win anything with these sort of missed chances. If they played like that against dublin it would be just like the league game they would be hammered
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Post by kerrygold on May 27, 2019 12:33:11 GMT
Mayo are unlikely to beat Dublin in the championship I would think
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Post by john4 on May 27, 2019 13:25:57 GMT
Mayo are unlikely to beat Dublin in the championship I would think The thing with Mayo is that they themselves don't even know if they can beat Dublin, nobody knows. They're the most Jeckel and Hyde team you'll ever see. Their supporters undiminished and unjustified optimism always amazes me, but sure I suppose the closest you'd get to the adrenaline rush of following Mayo would be to put the house, the farm, the whole lot on a random number on a roulette wheel in Vegas.
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Post by dc84 on May 27, 2019 14:26:19 GMT
Mayo are unlikely to beat Dublin in the championship I would think The thing with Mayo is that they themselves don't even know if they can beat Dublin, nobody knows. They're the most Jeckel and Hyde team you'll ever see. Their supporters undiminished and unjustified optimism always amazes me, but sure I suppose the closest you'd get to the adrenaline rush of following Mayo would be to put the house, the farm, the whole lot on a random number on a roulette wheel in Vegas. Look at 2017 sure lost to Galway beat Derry and cork after extra time 2 teams we would have beat handy then beat ourselves in the semi and lost by a point to Dublin it doesn't make any sense! They are the great entertainers though last year was poor without them in latter stages the only team who could be level after 70 mins with Derry who got relegated to div4 that year and Dublin one of the best to ever play
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Post by themanfromthewest on May 27, 2019 14:48:48 GMT
Anyone else feeling a bit less optmistic as to where we are after Saturday? We made mayo look like contenders in the league final whereas roscommon showed up some serious fralities in that team. Is it going to be another tough summer struggling in the pack watching dublin canter to 5 in a row? I don't know if we were ever really considered contenders to begin with tbh. It’s probably a season or two too early. You never know I suppose but I think we are a semi final team at best in 2019. We don’t have a settled team yet. I wouldn’t be reading too much in to Mayo’s form either they can be very good and very bad in equal measure, you cannot gauge anything on Mayo because they are wildly inconsistent. Tyrone are the best hope to stop Dublin imho but I wouldn’t bet any money on it.
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Post by Mickmack on May 27, 2019 17:52:58 GMT
so it could be Kerry v Mayo in Killarney in the first super 8 game. Kerry's opposition in the first game is against the Connacht Runner-Up or the team that beats them in Round 4. The Connacht final is Roscommon v Galway. I take this to mean that if Roscommon lose the Connacht final it becomes impossible for Mayo to end up playing Kerry in the first round. They could still be in Kerry's group if they end up playing and beating the Leinster runner-up. The rule about avoiding repeat pairings in Round 4 means that Mayo are likelier to be in the other group as opposed to Kerry's group all other things being equal. Your final paragraph suggests that Mayo are more likely to end up in Dublins super 8 group. Which suggests Dublin and Mayo kept apart at semi final stage....and suggests a Mayo v Dublin final to me.... despite what happened last saturday
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 27, 2019 18:16:38 GMT
Kerry's opposition in the first game is against the Connacht Runner-Up or the team that beats them in Round 4. The Connacht final is Roscommon v Galway. I take this to mean that if Roscommon lose the Connacht final it becomes impossible for Mayo to end up playing Kerry in the first round. They could still be in Kerry's group if they end up playing and beating the Leinster runner-up. The rule about avoiding repeat pairings in Round 4 means that Mayo are likelier to be in the other group as opposed to Kerry's group all other things being equal. Your final paragraph suggests that Mayo are more likely to end up in Dublins super 8 group. Which suggests Dublin and Mayo kept apart at semi final stage....and suggests a Mayo v Dublin final to me.... despite what happened last saturday I would fancy Tyrone, Galway, Donegal as well as ourselves against Mayo. They just don't have the forwards or any bit of game awareness and the backs are aging.
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Post by buck02 on May 27, 2019 18:17:34 GMT
If Mayo make the Super 8s by beating the losers in Ulster (Armagh or Cavan) or Munster (probably Limerick), they are likely to be in a group with Dublin and Galway. And possibly Donegal or Tyrone also. I don't think they would make it out of that group.
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Post by Kingdomson on May 27, 2019 18:40:33 GMT
Anyone else feeling a bit less optmistic as to where we are after Saturday? We made mayo look like contenders in the league final whereas roscommon showed up some serious fralities in that team. Is it going to be another tough summer struggling in the pack watching dublin canter to 5 in a row? I don't know if we were ever really considered contenders to begin with tbh. It’s probably a season or two too early. You never know I suppose but I think we are a semi final team at best in 2019. We don’t have a settled team yet. I wouldn’t be reading too much in to Mayo’s form either they can be very good and very bad in equal measure, you cannot gauge anything on Mayo because they are wildly inconsistent. Tyrone are the best hope to stop Dublin imho but I wouldn’t bet any money on it. I agree but would add Galway this year into the mix. Before this year, Galway have beaten Mayo for the past 3 years in a row in the Championship and made very little fuss about it. In the league this year in a game one sensed was the only one Galway really cared about they sent Mayo packing again. Leaving aside the hype and populism that surrounds this Mayo team, the truth for me, is Galway now have better gaelic footballers on the whole, are more skilful, with far better forwards. Walsh has been sorting out Galway's defensive structure and putting the pieces in place and if they get the forward play right this year then watch out, they'll be a match for anyone. Would be some crack and some kick in the bags for Mayo if Galway were to just come along and snatch a Sam with that what's the big deal attitude that comes so natural. It happened in the 90s, it could happen again.
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Post by kerrygold on May 27, 2019 20:33:37 GMT
David Clifford's missed goal chance at the end of the League Final might have been this Mayo's team going away present................................
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Post by kerrygold on May 27, 2019 20:39:46 GMT
Two teams from the top table, Monaghan & Mayo, losing in the first few weeks of the championship. It does not bode well towards providing Dublin with a fitting battle to the five in a row. Dublin aside, Kerry would be in the "soft All-Ireland territory" in more normal times.
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Post by Mickmack on May 27, 2019 21:04:57 GMT
David Clifford's missed goal chance at the end of the League Final might have been this Mayo's team going away present................................ Ah come on.... that second half v Kerry in the league finsl was the best football played so far thus year. They are not a bad team suddenly. Get Clarke in goals, Cillian back and they will be back on track.
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Post by themanfromthewest on May 27, 2019 21:05:32 GMT
I don't know if we were ever really considered contenders to begin with tbh. It’s probably a season or two too early. You never know I suppose but I think we are a semi final team at best in 2019. We don’t have a settled team yet. I wouldn’t be reading too much in to Mayo’s form either they can be very good and very bad in equal measure, you cannot gauge anything on Mayo because they are wildly inconsistent. Tyrone are the best hope to stop Dublin imho but I wouldn’t bet any money on it. I agree but would add Galway this year into the mix. Before this year, Galway have beaten Mayo for the past 3 years in a row in the Championship and made very little fuss about it. In the league this year in a game one sensed was the only one Galway really cared about they sent Mayo packing again. Leaving aside the hype and populism that surrounds this Mayo team, the truth for me, is Galway now have better gaelic footballers on the whole, are more skilful, with far better forwards. Walsh has been sorting out Galway's defensive structure and putting the pieces in place and if they get the forward play right this year then watch out, they'll be a match for anyone. Would be some crack and some kick in the bags for Mayo if Galway were to just come along and snatch a Sam with that what's the big deal attitude that comes so natural. It happened in the 90s, it could happen again. Yes I believe Galway have the potential but they have been a long way off Dublin in any game that has mattered to date. They have the makings of a very good team but I think the Dubs would always find a way to beat them in Croke Park especially. They way they lay down in last years semi was hugely disappointing. I hope you are right because we need a few contenders to step forward.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 21:31:08 GMT
Roscommon won by a point but they were second fiddle for large parts of that game to Mayo.
I would be surprised if they didn’t get to the super 8
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 28, 2019 2:30:43 GMT
And also petty and personalised digs from Brolly. They lost a game by one point which they should have won. It is not that long ago that they beat Kerry and deservedly so also. Mayo will have a big say yet I reckon.I reckon they won't. Mayo won a national league back in March but that may turn out to be the peak of the mountain top for a few veterans on that Mayo team who have given a decade chasing Sam and falling short. Mayo were the architects of their own downfall last night tactically and in some serious ill-advised team selection decisions at this stage. Horan had some hard calls to make last night and he didn't act being caught in the headlights. Moreover, we thought Mayo would have a big say last year too and they didn't even make the Super 8s afterward. More the pity really as Dublin strolled to their easiest All Ireland yet probably as a result. This Year Tyrone and Galway who are a year ahead of us in their development may be our best bet to rattle the Dubs. I still think it's a couple of seasons too soon for Kerry as we wait for boys to become men but we live in hope! Agree about Mayo, but also agree with Fitzwop's comment above which sums up many of the Mayo imponderables so neatly! Who knows what's next? Horan's weaknesses were well-known but somewhat covered over by the heroics of alot of the players in championship, and excuses about referees and bad luck by the time he stood down in 2014. It seems he hasn't improved but also some of the stalwarts are really struggling now and adequate replacements have not emerged or been developed to allow Mayo to really challenge for Sam in the short-term. You could sum up Mayo's contradictions from this year so far alone already. Looked down and out in the league, era coming to an end, mistake for Horan to have come back. Won the league, and a first Nat trophy in a long time, first serious trophy since Connaught in 2015, Horan the Messiah, AOS getting MOTM reviews, at last living up to the hopes and hype, and the stalwarts showing great signs of rejuvination plus important players coming back from injury and at least a couple of good new additions. Threw it away Vs Roscommon at home in the first round of the C.Champ, Horan and heroic players from the last 10 years being pilloried by some. An ex-Kerry player shines for Ros. Their keeper kicks 3 long-range points and Hennelly has another nightmarish game. 2019, Episode 4............?? The term 'extreme inconsistency' deserves a new entry in the thesaurus. Lack of learning from weaknesses and mistakes are set alongside an ability to bounce back against all the odds. But overall there's too much depending on a fear of defeat as against a belief in winning. No surprise if they make Super 8s and improve but equally their previous luck with qualifier draws and some of the very squeeky results may not provide the opportunity. Monaghan have had their problems but I would fancy them to improve a good bit and would beat Mayo if they played them right now at least. I don't think they have quite as many miles on the clock, though they are very much a team of the last decade too. As are Tyrone but they have also brought through more players too.
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Post by kerrygold on May 28, 2019 8:22:29 GMT
Would Dublin have lost to Roscommon in the championship last weekend? No. How much would they have won by? 10-12 points plus. Dublin are methodically consistent in everything they do, in comparison Mayo are inconsistent. On recent League form Mayo should not have lost to Roscommon at the weekend.
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Post by kot on May 28, 2019 13:03:00 GMT
Gough was at it again in the Mayo V Roscommon game.
He spends more time looking for trivial offences 50 yards away then misses blatant infringements in front of his eyes.
Baffling this fella is still considered a top ref.
And considering Dublin Joe is still on the scene after a decade of controversy and has overseen multiple All-Ireland finals, it really makes you despair at the quality of reffing around the country!
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Post by Mickmack on May 28, 2019 19:18:58 GMT
Would Dublin have lost to Roscommon in the championship last weekend? No. How much would they have won by? 10-12 points plus. Dublin are methodically consistent in everything they do, in comparison Mayo are inconsistent. On recent League form Mayo should not have lost to Roscommon at the weekend. All that happened last weekend was Mayo being predictable and not unpredictable. I expect them to be huge contenders in 2019 yet Mayo have to beat NY away. I will be only a small bit shocked if they screw that up. If they win they play Leitrim or Rossies. I will be only mildly surprised if they screw that up. Beating Galway in the final is a big deal too. Mayo always make it hard for themselves... look at AOS getting sent off last week and only for Hennellys save they would have been beaten. If they manage to reach the all ireland final they will be massive contenders.
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Post by kerrygold on May 28, 2019 20:36:26 GMT
Maybe, but if Mayo were shares you wouldn't buy them.
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Post by Mickmack on May 28, 2019 21:29:30 GMT
Maybe, but if Mayo were shares you wouldn't buy them. definitely not
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Post by thebluepanther on May 28, 2019 22:15:55 GMT
Would Dublin have lost to Roscommon in the championship last weekend? No. How much would they have won by? 10-12 points plus. Dublin are methodically consistent in everything they do, in comparison Mayo are inconsistent. On recent League form Mayo should not have lost to Roscommon at the weekend. Mayo should have been totally focused on nothing else but beating Roscommon . ( yet you felt they weren't) Roscommon had this game ear marked from early in the year and it showed. Joe Brolly said AoS was good on Saturday i disagree . He was good when he had the ball , but strolled around when he hadn't got the ball as did a few others, expecting things to happen. Had Mayo outworked Roscommon they had the players to win it, but yet again they made life hard for themselves and deservedly lost. I was at Dublin Game, We were playing a div 3 team and winning very comfortably , yet the running off the ball and tackling by Ciaran Kilkenny, Con o Callaghan , Paul Mannion, Fenton and Howard was nonstop and relentless. Ciaran Kilkenny was roaring at guys near the end of the game to not leave space as Louth Goalkeeper tried to kick the ball out . I get your point regarding methodical, but this wasn't methodical , This was Guys who just kept working and left everything on the pitch.
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Post by fitz on May 28, 2019 22:40:54 GMT
Would Dublin have lost to Roscommon in the championship last weekend? No. How much would they have won by? 10-12 points plus. Dublin are methodically consistent in everything they do, in comparison Mayo are inconsistent. On recent League form Mayo should not have lost to Roscommon at the weekend. Mayo should have been totally focused on nothing else but beating Roscommon . ( yet you felt they weren't) Roscommon had this game ear marked from early in the year and it showed. Joe Brolly said AoS was good on Saturday i disagree . He was good when he had the ball , but strolled around when he hadn't got the ball as did a few others, expecting things to happen. Had Mayo outworked Roscommon they had the players to win it, but yet again they made life hard for themselves and deservedly lost. I was at Dublin Game, We were playing a div 3 team and winning very comfortably , yet the running off the ball and tackling by Ciaran Kilkenny, Con o Callaghan , Paul Mannion, Fenton and Howard was nonstop and relentless. Ciaran Kilkenny was roaring at guys near the end of the game to not leave space as Louth Goalkeeper tried to kick the ball out . I get your point regarding methodical, but this wasn't methodical , This was Guys who just kept working and left everything on the pitch. Brolly loves AOS.
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