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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jan 28, 2023 9:12:55 GMT
If he were moving at a younger age I'd agree with you, wanting to play with his father's club and all that, but it looks to be a chance at a medal and nothing else. Why didnt he move earlier? It's not like any place in Monaghan is too far to travel for training. You’d have to ask him about his motivations but it’s not even similar to Shane Walsh. Who by the has headed off to Australia on holidays, during his teaching course. I can’t remember what the higher education grant levels are but I didn’t think they were high enough to fund holidays to oz In my opinion, both transfers are questionable as I said, if you are unhappy with one of the transfers you should be unhappy with both. Leaving your club as an adult to go to a club a short distance away for an almost automatic winner's medal is disgusting when you have played with one club for years. It's very similar for both. Both motivated by leaving their club for success than circumstances of fortune.
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Post by Premier on Jan 28, 2023 9:16:18 GMT
That's fairly disgusting. With the negativity surrounding Shane Walsh's transfer, I think this is a mile worse, at least there is a noticeable distance in Shane's move. There has been a few closer to home that have not attracted that much attention either. Just in the past few years we had Jamie Sullivan from Kilcummin to Legion, Shane murphy from Kilcumin to Crokes, Brendan and Paul sullivan from Valentia to stacks, Mike Tim o sullivan from Tuosist to Crokes. The moves from small clubs to bigger clubs within the county are the ones which cause the most consternation
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 28, 2023 9:38:27 GMT
I think the ones that stick most with me are the Sullivan brothers to Stacks and Alan O’Sullivan from Tousist to Crokes few years ago, these transfers resulted in the releasing club struggling to field in county league.. thanks not good enough.
it is not long ago that an promising north Kerry player was offered €5k to transfer as he was working in Lieber, although commuting and living at home. Big clubs shouldn’t be allowed poach and one prominent Kilarney side is noted for it.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 28, 2023 13:36:44 GMT
You’d have to ask him about his motivations but it’s not even similar to Shane Walsh. Who by the has headed off to Australia on holidays, during his teaching course. I can’t remember what the higher education grant levels are but I didn’t think they were high enough to fund holidays to oz In my opinion, both transfers are questionable as I said, if you are unhappy with one of the transfers you should be unhappy with both. Leaving your club as an adult to go to a club a short distance away for an almost automatic winner's medal is disgusting when you have played with one club for years. It's very similar for both. Both motivated by leaving their club for success than circumstances of fortune. I just don’t think that ‘man transfers to his fathers club, with whom he has a connection & a familiarity’ is the same as ‘man uses college course to transfer to a club with whom he has no connection, his college course isn’t in the catchment area of and he doesn’t live in the catchment are of. Said club are also one of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest in Ireland, and said college student is taking his course so seriously that he’s heading off to Australia for a few weeks holidays during the course’. Shane Walsh’s transfer is on a level that I’ve not seen before, in terms of its construction. His course is about 10 hours a week so it would have made most financial sense to commute up 2 days a week, he lives & was doing his teaching in cuala’s catchment area- the whole thing stinks to be honest and we all know that it does. I’d agree that I’d be against most, if not all, transfers but there’s not an equivalency between Walsh and the Monaghan one
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Post by john4 on Jan 28, 2023 14:03:22 GMT
In my opinion, both transfers are questionable as I said, if you are unhappy with one of the transfers you should be unhappy with both. Leaving your club as an adult to go to a club a short distance away for an almost automatic winner's medal is disgusting when you have played with one club for years. It's very similar for both. Both motivated by leaving their club for success than circumstances of fortune. I just don’t think that ‘man transfers to his fathers club, with whom he has a connection & a familiarity’ is the same as ‘man uses college course to transfer to a club with whom he has no connection, his college course isn’t in the catchment area of and he doesn’t live in the catchment are of. Said club are also one of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest in Ireland, and said college student is taking his course so seriously that he’s heading off to Australia for a few weeks holidays during the course’. Shane Walsh’s transfer is on a level that I’ve not seen before, in terms of its construction. His course is about 10 hours a week so it would have made most financial sense to commute up 2 days a week, he lives & was doing his teaching in cuala’s catchment area- the whole thing stinks to be honest and we all know that it does. I’d agree that I’d be against most, if not all, transfers but there’s not an equivalency between Walsh and the Monaghan one Ya, the Walsh transfer has been the most ridiculous club transfer. Yet anyone who questions it is seen as being awkward or not wishing Shane Walsh a successful playing career. One would have to be very naive not to be able to see through this.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 28, 2023 16:21:49 GMT
I just don’t think that ‘man transfers to his fathers club, with whom he has a connection & a familiarity’ is the same as ‘man uses college course to transfer to a club with whom he has no connection, his college course isn’t in the catchment area of and he doesn’t live in the catchment are of. Said club are also one of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest in Ireland, and said college student is taking his course so seriously that he’s heading off to Australia for a few weeks holidays during the course’. Shane Walsh’s transfer is on a level that I’ve not seen before, in terms of its construction. His course is about 10 hours a week so it would have made most financial sense to commute up 2 days a week, he lives & was doing his teaching in cuala’s catchment area- the whole thing stinks to be honest and we all know that it does. I’d agree that I’d be against most, if not all, transfers but there’s not an equivalency between Walsh and the Monaghan one Ya, the Walsh transfer has been the most ridiculous club transfer. Yet anyone who questions it is seen as being awkward or not wishing Shane Walsh a successful playing career. One would have to be very naive not to be able to see through this. Wouldn’t be too many trainee teachers that I know, paying south Dublin rents, that count afford to head off to oz for a few weeks mid course. Parents must be wealthy enough and willing to still bankroll their late 20s son
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Post by southward on Jan 29, 2023 19:26:07 GMT
Rob Hennelly throwing his lot in with Raheny. Think he's been living in Dublin for a few years now.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 29, 2023 19:44:47 GMT
Rob Hennelly throwing his lot in with Raheny. Think he's been living in Dublin for a few years now. He has had plenty of practise kicking the ball to Fenton and Howard anyway.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 30, 2023 22:03:14 GMT
Nice one on p.25 of this weeks Listowel advertiser re that Ball'duff/Shannon Rangers double of 50 years ago. Bally' had 10 of The Rangers while a 16 year old Beale laddo announced his arrival on what was to be the world stage and that is further timely with events this past week. John O'Grady and Johnny Bunyan were on both teams, with the Ballydonoghoor captaining the duffers of Ball'duff. It is very nice actually and the panels read like a Who's Who of all things NK GAA then - what a treasure! issuu.com/theadvertiser.ie/docs/volume_15_issue_26
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 30, 2023 22:19:28 GMT
Rob Hennelly throwing his lot in with Raheny. Think he's been living in Dublin for a few years now. DCU methinks?
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 30, 2023 22:27:34 GMT
Rob Hennelly throwing his lot in with Raheny. Think he's been living in Dublin for a few years now. He has had plenty of practise kicking the ball to Fenton and Howard anyway. Brilliant... but all joking aside, when will the country to Dublin exodus stop. I heard a commentator recently that the gaa will have to introduce the 'home player rule' similar to the European Soccer rules of the 90's were you could only field was it three foreign players per game? Wouldn't such a sanction make Dublin Club ball interesting.
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 30, 2023 22:37:11 GMT
Nice one on p.25 of this weeks Listowel advertiser re that Ball'duff/Shannon Rangers double of 50 years ago. Bally' had 10 of The Rangers while a 16 year old Beale laddo announced his arrival on what was to be the world stage and that is further timely with events this past week. John O'Grady and Johnny Bunyan were on both teams, with the Ballydonoghoor captaining the duffers of Ball'duff. It is very nice actually and the panels read like a Who's Who of all things NK GAA then - what a treasure! issuu.com/theadvertiser.ie/docs/volume_15_issue_26It's mad that Ogie was 16 in that picture. He looks like he's in his mid 20s!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 31, 2023 1:55:17 GMT
Nice one on p.25 of this weeks Listowel advertiser re that Ball'duff/Shannon Rangers double of 50 years ago. Bally' had 10 of The Rangers while a 16 year old Beale laddo announced his arrival on what was to be the world stage and that is further timely with events this past week. John O'Grady and Johnny Bunyan were on both teams, with the Ballydonoghoor captaining the duffers of Ball'duff. It is very nice actually and the panels read like a Who's Who of all things NK GAA then - what a treasure! issuu.com/theadvertiser.ie/docs/volume_15_issue_26It's mad that Ogie was 16 in that picture. He looks like he's in his mid 20s! Yeah he does and sure wasn't it but the beginning of optical illusions here, and non-illusions too! I think I was at that match and the 16 years of age stuck in my head since - I may have posed it here. I recall him coming onto the field, a fine day and he almost floating around ASP. Tthough I wouldn't have been in tune with the significance of his relative youth, the deep breath taken by the crowd impacted me as a garsún in a way that is hard to describe - maybe we were allowed on the pitch, I know we used to get near the dugouts, maybe he wasn't far from me, but yes, there is a still colour photo in my head, even if it was the still the day of black and white, Ogie in his Shannon Blue and White of Bally' - was that denoting the Shannon waters? Have they always worn Bally' colours? Was Ogie the youngest senior ever in a county final - some stats here? What a memory ... did you and I go on the lash after? Go on - tell us about the hurlers!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 31, 2023 3:12:40 GMT
He has had plenty of practise kicking the ball to Fenton and Howard anyway. Brilliant... but all joking aside, when will the country to Dublin exodus stop. I heard a commentator recently that the gaa will have to introduce the 'home player rule' similar to the European Soccer rules of the 90's were you could only field was it three foreign players per game? Wouldn't such a sanction make Dublin Club ball interesting. Colm Parkinson reckons if Dublin GAA want a free for all in terms of outside club players they may have at it, but there is a question when it comes to these outside players playing in the provincial and All Ireland series.
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Post by glengael on Jan 31, 2023 10:35:30 GMT
Brilliant... but all joking aside, when will the country to Dublin exodus stop. I heard a commentator recently that the gaa will have to introduce the 'home player rule' similar to the European Soccer rules of the 90's were you could only field was it three foreign players per game? Wouldn't such a sanction make Dublin Club ball interesting. Colm Parkinson reckons if Dublin GAA want a free for all in terms of outside club players they may have at it, but there is a question when it comes to these outside players playing in the provincial and All Ireland series. Sure you can't have them just playing within Dublin and not eligible for Leinster and beyond. It's all or nothing.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jan 31, 2023 13:02:33 GMT
Perhaps have outside county transfer cases be limited to intermediate and junior grade. If the club happens to make senior the following year, they can play senior only with that club. Internal county transfers treated as normal.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 31, 2023 14:43:32 GMT
Colm Parkinson reckons if Dublin GAA want a free for all in terms of outside club players they may have at it, but there is a question when it comes to these outside players playing in the provincial and All Ireland series. Sure you can't have them just playing within Dublin and not eligible for Leinster and beyond. It's all or nothing. No, what I am alluding to is like the old European soccer rule, was it you could only have three non nationals in your team, a similar sanction where every time you take the field 13 of your starting 15 have to be grass rooted to the club.
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Post by john4 on Jan 31, 2023 14:51:21 GMT
Sure you can't have them just playing within Dublin and not eligible for Leinster and beyond. It's all or nothing. No, what I am alluding to is like the old European soccer rule, was it you could only have three non nationals in your team, a similar sanction where every time you take the field 13 of your starting 15 have to be grass rooted to the club. I understand what you think and would make logical sense but the very concept goes against everything that the Gaa stands for. Community, belonging. The only answer is for the public to continually call out these ridiculous transfers and highlight the nonsense of the nonsense ones.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 31, 2023 16:54:54 GMT
No, what I am alluding to is like the old European soccer rule, was it you could only have three non nationals in your team, a similar sanction where every time you take the field 13 of your starting 15 have to be grass rooted to the club. I understand what you think and would make logical sense but the very concept goes against everything that the Gaa stands for. Community, belonging. The only answer is for the public to continually call out these ridiculous transfers and highlight the nonsense of the nonsense ones. ah hi, I agree with you, but ironically enough, its Money and the buying of players that is killing rural clubs and the amateur status of the organisation.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 1, 2023 18:33:03 GMT
I try not to be abusive but I need to vent. I cannot stand Michael Verney.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 1, 2023 18:40:54 GMT
I try not to be abusive but I need to vent. I cannot stand Michael Verney. Is he not the horsie training journalist?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 1, 2023 18:54:10 GMT
I try not to be abusive but I need to vent. I cannot stand Michael Verney. Is he not the horsie training journalist? Horses and a bit of GAA too. Can't stand him. On two of my podcasts this week I couldn't listen to them.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 1, 2023 19:40:40 GMT
Yes very annoying something about his voice!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 1, 2023 19:48:20 GMT
Yes very annoying something about his voice! He will be on a general sports podcast and take glee about not knowing about something. Why have him on then. Never heard him say anything interesting or original.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 1, 2023 20:21:04 GMT
Did he play with Offaly much? Like was he inter county or just a club player? Yes Off The Ball seems to have an awful lot of these people who don't necessarily know too much about any of the sports they cover, and lets be honest their weekly content is 70% English soccer and 20% Rugby. It infuriates me how little the GAA is covered by sports shows like them even when the League is up and running. They're all over the club final for clickbate but if that hadn't become such a controversy you would not have seen too much GAA content over the last couple of weeks.
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Post by brigid on Feb 1, 2023 20:30:08 GMT
He has had plenty of practise kicking the ball to Fenton and Howard anyway. Brilliant... but all joking aside, when will the country to Dublin exodus stop. I heard a commentator recently that the gaa will have to introduce the 'home player rule' similar to the European Soccer rules of the 90's were you could only field was it three foreign players per game? Wouldn't such a sanction make Dublin Club ball interesting. When will the country to Dublin exodus stop............Why not start at home and stop the exodus of players from South Kerry clubs to Killarney and Tralee.
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Post by peanuts on Feb 1, 2023 21:21:40 GMT
Did he play with Offaly much? Like was he inter county or just a club player? Yes Off The Ball seems to have an awful lot of these people who don't necessarily know too much about any of the sports they cover, and lets be honest their weekly content is 70% English soccer and 20% Rugby. It infuriates me how little the GAA is covered by sports shows like them even when the League is up and running. They're all over the club final for clickbate but if that hadn't become such a controversy you would not have seen too much GAA content over the last couple of weeks. In fairness to OTB they used to have live coverage of GAA games but lost the rights a few years ago.
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Post by peanuts on Feb 1, 2023 21:23:39 GMT
He has had plenty of practise kicking the ball to Fenton and Howard anyway. Brilliant... but all joking aside, when will the country to Dublin exodus stop. I heard a commentator recently that the gaa will have to introduce the 'home player rule' similar to the European Soccer rules of the 90's were you could only field was it three foreign players per game? Wouldn't such a sanction make Dublin Club ball interesting. Hennelly has been living in Dublin for 12 years so a totally different scenario to Walsh.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Feb 1, 2023 22:43:41 GMT
Did he play with Offaly much? Like was he inter county or just a club player? Yes Off The Ball seems to have an awful lot of these people who don't necessarily know too much about any of the sports they cover, and lets be honest their weekly content is 70% English soccer and 20% Rugby. It infuriates me how little the GAA is covered by sports shows like them even when the League is up and running. They're all over the club final for clickbate but if that hadn't become such a controversy you would not have seen too much GAA content over the last couple of weeks. In fairness to OTB they used to have live coverage of GAA games but lost the rights a few years ago. I spotted an OTB jeep in Ballybophey on Sunday, I only listen to OTB sporadically so I can't say how much coverage (if any) they gave the game. EDIT After posting the above I googled OTB GAA and found an 18min podcast about Donegal that was released this morning. Clicked into it and was about 20 seconds in when I understood the MV comments on the previous page!!
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 2, 2023 10:54:19 GMT
Just got round to watching the Joe Canning Laochra Gael Documentary on the TG4 player.
First and foremost it is a fantastically put together piece of television with some excellent shots of Joe Cannings best moments, cut with comments from his opponents, teammates and family.
But what really struck me was the similarities between Joe's career and David Clifford.
Thankfully the GAA has prevented guys under the age of 17 from playing senior football and hurling these days. Joe was playing Minor Intercounty and Senior Club at 18 years of age. He was playing u21 club hurling at 13. I'd imagine David would have been in the same position if the rules hadn't been amended.
He spoke of the immense pressure to perform for Galway, and while he always delivered in the field, off the field this pressure was a massive burden on him.
I'm not sure what can be done for the likes of David to ensure that he doesn't have to endure the same sort of pressure. Like Joe he always delivers, especially when the pressure is highest. I'd just worry that it would weigh on him off the field.
Winning an All Ireland 4 years into his Intercounty career might lesson the burden a bit. Joe had to wait 10 or 11 years for his day to come.
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