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Post by bishop on Apr 8, 2019 18:46:50 GMT
I think that JOD as an inside forward against the top teams will not do anymore. However, he is still a seriously talented passer with loads of vision. Why not try release him to the forty aka the Gooch, and leave him dictate from there, and release Sean Ó Shea to the middle of the field where he could be equally as effective, if not more. What about this for a line-up?
S. Ryan
P. Crowley
J. Foley
T. Sullivan
P. Murphy
G. Crowley
G. White
J. Barry
S. Ó Shea
D. Moynihan.
J. Ó Donoghue
S. Ó Brien
P. Geaney
T. Walsh
D. Clifford.
Tom Sullivan manmarking, and raiding forward occasionally on the counter. Gavin Crowley holding the centre. David Moran held in reserve for last 20 minutes after Barry and Shea have tired out the legs of the oposition giving him a bit more time on the ball to be influential. Kevin McCarthy and Gavin Ó Brien to come in as fresh legs after 45/50 minutes for the two wing-forwards who will be working like dogs around the field (and probably helping close down Ó Donoghues man in a defensive capacity). Tommy to stay inside and work hard, and could alternate with/be replaced by Ó Donoghue. All three inside forwards equally comfortable with ball in front, or over their heads
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 19:01:08 GMT
I think that JOD as an inside forward against the top teams will not do anymore. However, he is still a seriously talented passer with loads of vision. Why not try release him to the forty aka the Gooch, and leave him dictate from there, and release Sean Ó Shea to the middle of the field where he could be equally as effective, if not more. What about this for a line-up? S. Ryan P. Crowley J. Foley T. Sullivan P. Murphy G. Crowley G. White J. Barry S. Ó Shea D. Moynihan. J. Ó Donoghue S. Ó Brien P. Geaney T. Walsh D. Clifford. Tom Sullivan manmarking, and raiding forward occasionally on the counter. Gavin Crowley holding the centre. David Moran held in reserve for last 20 minutes after Barry and Shea have tired out the legs of the oposition giving him a bit more time on the ball to be influential. Kevin McCarthy and Gavin Ó Brien to come in as fresh legs after 45/50 minutes for the two wing-forwards who will be working like dogs around the field (and probably helping close down Ó Donoghues man in a defensive capacity). Tommy to stay inside and work hard, and could alternate with/be replaced by Ó Donoghue. All three inside forwards equally comfortable with ball in front, or over their heads I think O Se is a definite midfield option. However i think that forward line would not provide anywhere near enough defensive cover and could struggle with breaking ball. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Apr 8, 2019 19:01:27 GMT
I think that JOD as an inside forward against the top teams will not do anymore. However, he is still a seriously talented passer with loads of vision. Why not try release him to the forty aka the Gooch, and leave him dictate from there, and release Sean Ó Shea to the middle of the field where he could be equally as effective, if not more. What about this for a line-up? S. Ryan P. Crowley J. Foley T. Sullivan P. Murphy G. Crowley G. White J. Barry S. Ó Shea D. Moynihan. J. Ó Donoghue S. Ó Brien P. Geaney T. Walsh D. Clifford. Tom Sullivan manmarking, and raiding forward occasionally on the counter. Gavin Crowley holding the centre. David Moran held in reserve for last 20 minutes after Barry and Shea have tired out the legs of the oposition giving him a bit more time on the ball to be influential. Kevin McCarthy and Gavin Ó Brien to come in as fresh legs after 45/50 minutes for the two wing-forwards who will be working like dogs around the field (and probably helping close down Ó Donoghues man in a defensive capacity). Tommy to stay inside and work hard, and could alternate with/be replaced by Ó Donoghue. All three inside forwards equally comfortable with ball in front, or over their heads Not a hope Geaney, Clifford, Walsh and O'Donoghue will all start together. The defence would be getting very little help if they all started together. I think 2 will start and they will be Clifford and Geaney with Walsh and O'Donoghue coming off the bench. |
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Post by bishop on Apr 8, 2019 19:25:20 GMT
I think that JOD as an inside forward against the top teams will not do anymore. However, he is still a seriously talented passer with loads of vision. Why not try release him to the forty aka the Gooch, and leave him dictate from there, and release Sean Ó Shea to the middle of the field where he could be equally as effective, if not more. What about this for a line-up? S. Ryan P. Crowley J. Foley T. Sullivan P. Murphy G. Crowley G. White J. Barry S. Ó Shea D. Moynihan. J. Ó Donoghue S. Ó Brien P. Geaney T. Walsh D. Clifford. Tom Sullivan manmarking, and raiding forward occasionally on the counter. Gavin Crowley holding the centre. David Moran held in reserve for last 20 minutes after Barry and Shea have tired out the legs of the oposition giving him a bit more time on the ball to be influential. Kevin McCarthy and Gavin Ó Brien to come in as fresh legs after 45/50 minutes for the two wing-forwards who will be working like dogs around the field (and probably helping close down Ó Donoghues man in a defensive capacity). Tommy to stay inside and work hard, and could alternate with/be replaced by Ó Donoghue. All three inside forwards equally comfortable with ball in front, or over their heads Not a hope Geaney, Clifford, Walsh and O'Donoghue will all start together. The defence would be getting very little help if they all started together. I think 2 will start and they will be Clifford and Geaney with Walsh and O'Donoghue coming off the bench. Possibly yes. Move Stephen Brien to the corner, but give him a free licence to move to the half-forward line. Leave Tommy on the bench, and start Mush at 12 possibly if we want to go more defensive. But i dont think we're not going to beat the dubs/Mayo without upsetting their set-up in some way. Sit back, and leave the Dubs at us, and they'll pick us off. All 4 players (ans Stephen Ó Brien also) are equally comfortable playing in any position in the full-forward line, or at centre forward at stages in the game. Tommy could move to wing as options for Ryan kick-outs occasionally. Alternate the players, work hard defensively whne you have to, but Cian Ó Sullivan would have to go out to meet Donoghue/Geaney or Clifford if they locate to 11. Tommy could also go to mid-field for a spell with Ó Shea going back to the 40. When we go at the Dubs, and upset them, traditionally we have done very well on them. Having a sitting centre back, and a defensive mid-fielder sitting in front of him, would help negate a lot of the defensive frailities we are showing at the minute. |
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 8, 2019 20:09:14 GMT
S. Ryan
P. Crowley
J. Foley
T. Sullivan
P. Murphy
G. Crowley
G. White
J. Barry
DoConnor
D. Moynihan.
SOS
Gavin oBrien
P. Geaney
D. Clifford
SOB
I think Moran would be more effective coming off the bench. Same with JOD and McCarthy.
I think DOC has to be persisted with at midfield as only gametime can bring on lads.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 8, 2019 20:13:42 GMT
I can not see Tommy Walsh getting a look-in come Championship. He was effective af stages in the league but his biggest asset is consigned to the scrapheap i.e Offensive Mark.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 20:29:16 GMT
I can not see Tommy Walsh getting a look-in come Championship. He was effective af stages in the league but his biggest asset is consigned to the scrapheap i.e Offensive Mark. I would have agreed with you a few weeks back but I think he does provide good movement, can win ball and will force the opposition to adjust their shape. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Apr 8, 2019 20:34:14 GMT
Ryan
PCrowley
Sherwood
TO'Sullivan
Murphy
Morley
White
Moran
Barry
Moynihan
O'Shea
GO'Brien
Clifford
Geaney
SO'Brien
This would be my 15 for championship. It leaves us with a very strong bench with the likes of O'Donoghue, Gavin Crowley, McCarthy, Foley, Burns and Walsh. I wouldnt be strict to it though, if we were playing Dublin or Mayo I might change a few things. For example start Foley to mark Mannion and move Sherwood to midfield because I don't think Moran would be able to handle Dublin's pace. Against Mayo I would play a few more of our more physical players. But this would be my team to play most teams.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 8, 2019 22:12:05 GMT
Maybe its time to condider DC in a role like centre forward where he would his hands on the ball more and get the most out of him. Jim Gavin put Con OCallaghan at 11 as a rookie.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 9, 2019 2:05:04 GMT
Not sure about having DC out on the forty as it will only lead him coming further out where he is ineffective. I think full forward is definitely an option with his height and fielding ability.
Not sure about Jameso yet, apparently he gave White a roasting at the club championship game the weekend but hasn't proved much form apart from that, could possibly start if he has a solid run of good form between now and the end of the Munster championship, if not his Kerry career could be a tough one under Keane.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 9, 2019 9:49:03 GMT
Maybe its time to condider DC in a role like centre forward where he would his hands on the ball more and get the most out of him. Jim Gavin put Con OCallaghan at 11 as a rookie. Not the worst idea except we played 6 games without him in the league scored one goal and two games with him and scored 4. Not a coincidence his very pr3sence scares defences |
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Post by Fado on Apr 9, 2019 10:38:40 GMT
Our CHF may have more defensive duties than the Dublin one, I much prefer David close to goal.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 9, 2019 15:16:40 GMT
I can not see Tommy Walsh getting a look-in come Championship. He was effective af stages in the league but his biggest asset is consigned to the scrapheap i.e Offensive Mark. I would have agreed with you a few weeks back but I think he does provide good movement, can win ball and will force the opposition to adjust their shape. He did a lot better than I expected but I just fear that now the mark is gone he can catch all the ball he wants. When he lands he wont be allowed to do anything with it |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 9, 2019 15:30:57 GMT
Cannot see how so many people think Gavin White is a guaranteed starter - watched him get the run around from a player that many of those same people think is past it last Sunday. Gavin needs to win his place on merit and best of luck to the lad in this quest, would be delighted if he makes it. The other Gavin is a fine fielder of the ball and a very strong runner with the ball in hand, I question his work ethic when he does not have the ball and think he needs to up his game in this regard if he is to achieve his potential. For 2019 David Moran is an essential starter as Diarmuid O Connor needs this year to develop without undue pressure.
In 2019 anything is possible with this group but expecting more than a semi final is asking for a lot of things to go right for us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 15:40:49 GMT
It’s a two horse race between Dublin and Mayo I think this year.
We’re simply not good enough this year to win it.
Not physical enough and not strong enough up the middle
We’re also lacking pace in midfield and at the back.
Moran and Barry won’t be good enough in Croke Park
Diarmuid O’Connor is a fine young talent with a great future but he’s young and light.
We have the forwards but we won’t be able to match Dublin or Mayo in Croke Park. Not this year anyway.
Eventually we will but not now.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 9, 2019 15:43:48 GMT
I would have agreed with you a few weeks back but I think he does provide good movement, can win ball and will force the opposition to adjust their shape. He did a lot better than I expected but I just fear that now the mark is gone he can catch all the ball he wants. When he lands he wont be allowed to do anything with it The mark was only a small part of Tommy's game during the league, winning ball and laying off with quick hands was a much bigger feature of his NFL. There might be 15-20 championship minutes in Tommy during the summer. I'd take that. Skipping across on top of the summer sod will be a big challenge for him. He has good positional sense, great & fast hands so we'll see how it goes. |
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 9, 2019 15:46:56 GMT
It’s a two horse race between Dublin and Mayo I think this year. We’re simply not good enough this year to win it. Not physical enough and not strong enough up the middle We’re also lacking pace in midfield and at the back. Moran and Barry won’t be good enough in Croke Park Diarmuid O’Connor is a fine young talent with a great future but he’s young and light. We have the forwards but we won’t be able to match Dublin or Mayo in Croke Park. Not this year anyway. Eventually we will but not now. Wouldn't rule Kerry out just yet. Tiger Roll is a small horse with a big heart.............. |
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 9, 2019 15:58:44 GMT
That a team is going for 5 in a row while the average age is dropping is a new paradigm in the GAA.
A "paradigm shift" is what my grandmother would have called it!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 16:31:28 GMT
I definitely don’t want to rule them out kerrygold
I’ve watched them this year and was at the Mayo
game and you can see their lacking pace at the back
Still struggling to pick up the runners from midfield
They are up to the physical level of teams like Dublin and Mayo.
Also we don’t have a strong enough panel yet.
If I had to pick a team I would go
1 Shane Ryan
2 Tom Leo O’Sulivan
3 Jason Foley
4 Tom O’Sullivan
5 Paul Murphy
6 Peter Crowley
7 Gavin White
8 David Moran
9 Jack Barry
10 Dara Moynihan
11 Seán O’Shea
12 Diarmuid O’Connor
13 David Clifford
14 Tommy Walsh
15 Paul Geaney
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Post by dc84 on Apr 9, 2019 17:35:15 GMT
I definitely don’t want to rule them out kerrygold I’ve watched them this year and was at the Mayo game and you can see their lacking pace at the back Still struggling to pick up the runners from midfield They are up to the physical level of teams like Dublin and Mayo. Also we don’t have a strong enough panel yet. If I had to pick a team I would go 1 Shane Ryan 2 Tom Leo O’Sulivan 3 Jason Foley 4 Tom O’Sullivan 5 Paul Murphy 6 Peter Crowley 7 Gavin White 8 David Moran 9 Jack Barry 10 Dara Moynihan 11 Seán O’Shea 12 Diarmuid O’Connor 13 David Clifford 14 Tommy Walsh 15 Paul Geaney Very harsh on Stephen o brien there he was our best forward throughout the league. Id have him over everyone bar Clifford and o shea at the moment. Id have him in ahead of walsh in that team think tommy will be an impact player only tbh D O Connor is a great call at 12 give him time to get up to ic pace |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 19:25:03 GMT
Stephen o Brien has had a fine couple of years generally. No chance of him not starting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 19:27:30 GMT
Diarmuid O Connor at the moment is just potential. Based on performances to date, I would not see him starting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 2:58:29 GMT
O'Brien probably will start but I think whoever starts or comes on won't get us an All Ireland anyway.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 10, 2019 14:51:02 GMT
O'Brien probably will start but I think whoever starts or comes on won't get us an All Ireland anyway. Not this year id say. Did anyone really think there was a magic wand that would improve us from last year sufficiently to win an ai? Shy of young o connor coming back from Australia i cant think of anything that wouldve. Fitzy wasnt that bad |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 10, 2019 16:24:12 GMT
O'Brien probably will start but I think whoever starts or comes on won't get us an All Ireland anyway. Not this year id say. Did anyone really think there was a magic wand that would improve us from last year sufficiently to win an ai? Shy of young o connor coming back from Australia i cant think of anything that wouldve. Fitzy wasnt that badPersonally, the over defensive displays 2015, 2017, and 2018 have me not missing EF. Clearly an outstanding manager, however I think negative approaches, especially for Kerry teams, are tactical errors and psychological blunders. I am very appreciative of EF's time, and will be grateful forever for 2014, as well as the best game I ever saw in 2013, but I am very much looking forwards now. |
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 10, 2019 17:14:37 GMT
Not this year id say. Did anyone really think there was a magic wand that would improve us from last year sufficiently to win an ai? Shy of young o connor coming back from Australia i cant think of anything that wouldve. Fitzy wasnt that badPersonally, the over defensive displays 2015, 2017, and 2018 have me not missing EF. Clearly an outstanding manager, however I think negative approaches, especially for Kerry teams, are tactical errors and psychological blunders. I am very appreciative of EF's time, and will be grateful forever for 2014, as well as the best game I ever saw in 2013, but I am very much looking forwards now. I agree. Things have improved in my opinion. Kerrys biggest weakness v Mayo or Dublin is not gaining enough possession from kickouts that go long. Over the coming months i expect work to be done on winning the breaks at midfield or winning primary possession. Solve or improve that and suddenly things will improve exponentially. |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 12, 2019 14:05:45 GMT
Is Killian young retired or injured? I cant seem to remember him retiring or is he just dropped
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 14:38:02 GMT
Injured I believe
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Post by MeathExile on Apr 12, 2019 23:47:33 GMT
I would agree with MickMack. Biggest problem vs Mayo was winning dirty ball from kick-out break-downs. We lack a physical presence at CHB - Gavin Crowley is the answer there - a no-brainer for me. Paul is a fantastic player but not a CHB inter-county - football to burn and I think could be put to much better use around half-forward- ideal man to win the scrappy kick-outs without the pressure to mark a man. We also need another enforcer or two - Morley and Sherwood need to play to add that. My line-out would be:
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P Crowley Morley Sherwood
Jason G Crowley G White
Moran Barry
Moynihan SOS Murphy
Geaney Walsh Clifford
SoB very good during the league but his tackling is woeful - much better to come on in second half when the wing-men begin to tire. McCarthy not a corner forward - wing at best.Gavin O Brien and O Connor the options to come in at midfield and half-forward.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 15:22:03 GMT
Picked this team with an emphasis on bringing out our bigger men to the middle 8 where they can exert more of an influence.
Barry would be more than capable of playing roving role for kick outs at WF while tracking runners as well from deep.
Foley and O'Sullivan are the only two capable of marking pacey forwards. Sherwood a better presence at CB, that's the role he played for EK which got him back on the panel in the first place.
Clifford has the gooch radar and will be able to pick out Geaney and O Donoghue, while also being well able to pick off the opposition from long range, with O'Brien roaming and carrying a threat while running at defenses. It leaves the bench a little short of attacking threat but here's hoping a few more come to the fore in next couple months.
1. S Ryan
2. P Crowley
3. J Foley
4. T O'Sullivan
5. G White
6. J Sherwood
7. P Murphy
8. O Shea
9. Moran
10.Moynihan
11.Clifford
12.Barry
13.O Donoghue
14.Geaney,
15 O Brien
Subs: S Murphy, G Crowley, Morley, T Brosnan, Begley, O Connor,G O Brien, T Walsh,
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