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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 31, 2019 7:22:06 GMT
No mention of Mayo subs. They out subbed us in Tralee. Our starting fifteen superior. Midfield a worry. Cannot see either of us troubling Dubs. Kerry to win by 7. Your score prediction is somewhat out of whack with the preceding commentary.
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Post by backothehill on Mar 31, 2019 16:19:15 GMT
Well at least we know Shane Enright isn’t wanted in those backs.
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Post by kingdomkerry on Mar 31, 2019 16:51:10 GMT
Shocking performance. Mid way through the second half there was 5 or 6 stray passes in a row. Goalkeeper can't deal with high ball. Serious problems in midfield.
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Post by dano on Mar 31, 2019 17:08:22 GMT
I hate losing to them. Kerry gifted the game to them. They were better than us but we aided them big time. A turnover under pressure is one thing but a blatant pass to an opponent (more than once) on his own in the middle of the field is crazy. That's why Kerry lost such a tight game. Congratulations to Mayo on winning a national title finally.
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Post by baurtregaum on Mar 31, 2019 17:13:13 GMT
Shocking performance. Mid way through the second half there was 5 or 6 stray passes in a row. Goalkeeper can't deal with high ball. Serious problems in midfield. I thought Ryan did quite well to be honest. Coped well with any ball into him. The problem with the goal was that it was a lack of a fullback -Sean O'Sé was last man back and didn't jump for it. It reminds me of Galvin being last man back for the Tyrone goal in 2005. Players in positions that they are just not used to at vital moments. The other goal I can forgive as we were chasing the game, albeit with an extra man so perhaps he should have been marked. Ruane got a very similar goal to the one he scored in Tralee Both teams kicked a huge amount of ball short into Keepers hands and it was not flawless by any means. Exciting but no classic. Midfield is an issue. O'Connor is in year one and will learn from this and is one for the future. Jack Barry frustrates me as this is his third year and I see little progress - not taking his scores and not seeming to be up for the physicality of Mayo. He has the ability but plays with the handbrake on I think. We will probably learn alot more from this loss than if we had actually won the game. Overall a very positive spring campaign.
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Post by bigfoot on Mar 31, 2019 17:20:07 GMT
Shane Ryan should not have tried to catch that ball underhanded like that, should have fisted it. Full back should have gotten between keeper and forward.
Disappointed with mark griffin when he came on, stray passes.
Team isn’t seasoned yet but I’m very positive after this campaign that there is some great stuff to work on. Missing a little physicality in center back midfield area
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Post by 1979 on Mar 31, 2019 17:27:55 GMT
Congrats to Mayo, they were undoubtedly the better, fitter and stronger team over the 80 mins.
We weren’t clinical enough in the first half, and we weren’t strong and fit enough in the second half. Midfield was well beaten, we have serious problems there. I’m not overly confident that all will be rectified on Moran’s return. Someone made the point about O’Shea being the last man back for the goal being like ‘05, he’s dead right. O’Shea spent way too much of the second half in his own 45. JO’D worryingly looks a shadow of his former self.
On a positive note, Foley looked impressive when he came on, SO’B was a great outlet and took the battle to them throughout, and Clifford is close to unmarkable with the right ball. We’ll also likely learn more in defeat today than if we had won. I fear we’re a year or two off yet. On the other hand Mayo will be hard beat.
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Post by Hicser on Mar 31, 2019 17:38:18 GMT
I felt it was a case of men against boys. That’s not so surprising, in fact this experience is invaluable. Mayo wanted it that bit more and looked like they would always win throughout the 2nd half. I felt we panicked shown in the the number of turnovers. Re JOD, I think he needs a few more games, I wouldn’t write him off yet. I too am really disappointed with Griffin, every time he got the ball I felt he’d lose it. Anyway we need our boys to become men that’s the challenge for PK. Let all the national media attack us but come back stronger later in the year,
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Post by gamechanger10 on Mar 31, 2019 17:44:10 GMT
Kerry played very poor football in the second half and gifted Mayo a shocking amount of ball on a plate but mayo used that ball well and put us to the sword. Great atmosphere and I don’t think anyone would begrudge mayo that great win, the enthusiasm with which the supporters sang the green and red of Mayo was perhaps a reminder of what it meant to all of the mayo supporters both in Croke Park and those watching on tv. It also makes one realize how fortunate we are to be supporters of the kingdom, we have had so many great days at HQ and maybe a taste of humbly pie will whet the appetite for the campaign ahead.
I like mark griffin but I thought aside from the gift wrapped ball he gave away he looked puffed and wasn’t chasing players despite his freshness, perhaps he was caught and hadn’t yet caught his second wind at that time but it didn’t look good. We will learn much from today both on and off the field and that’s never a bad thing.
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Post by kot on Mar 31, 2019 17:45:14 GMT
A bit of a reality check (again). Flattered by the only 4 point loss. Our midfield that started wont do. Clifford head & shoulders best player on the pitch but we failed to get him on the ball enough. Our 1-9 is still a problem. For sure Jim Gavin had a wry smile on him tonight because neither team in the championship will pose the dubs much threat on that showing.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Mar 31, 2019 17:54:52 GMT
Also meant to say why ooh why didn’t we float a few ball into Clifford who was constantly begging for them and was left with only one marker on many occasions only to be ignored while a series of five yard hand passes seemed the more attractive option despite he being lauded as the best forward in the country. More team orientated approach needed going forward. Two fab goals to be honest and a glimpse of what this team is capable of when the telemetry has been properly studied.. better days ahead Ciarraí Abú
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 18:03:44 GMT
Overall a good campaign. We will be nowhere near an All ireland this year. I think we are still a year or two away. Mayo are still the only team that will test Dublin. I think we are short a midfielder and a couple of backs to get there. I think we have the forwards.
We have to persist with Ryan in goals. He’s the best we have. We will win Munster. If we make the semi final then that would be a good year.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Mar 31, 2019 18:06:31 GMT
Shocking performance. Mid way through the second half there was 5 or 6 stray passes in a row. Goalkeeper can't deal with high ball. Serious problems in midfield. A shocking performance was Meath 2001. This far from it. A bit of perspective needed. A poor second half performance yes but there's no need for over the top comments and analysis.
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 31, 2019 18:09:09 GMT
Poor display, nothing getting away from that. Only 1 point scored from play in the 1st half and didn't break from our own half quick enough when we got the ball in the 2nd half. We pressed up on the kickouts in the 2nd half which lead to Mayo picking out O'Shea from them and they drove on into the spaces from there which started the moves for alot of their scores. Terrible defensive performance, every time a late runner joined the Mayo attack we didn't pick them up when they did, which was suicide really. In terms of the attack we didn't get enough ball in and the forwards weren't getting ball into space either. Also could we not play Clifford in full forward, he has brilliant hands and is a big lad also. I'm a big fan of Tommy but he isn't enough of a scoring threat to merit a place at the moment. Hopefully this will actually drive the team on and teach them something as there has been alot of defeats over the past few years when Kerry have lost when the pressure is on yet the trend doesn't seem to be changing. This team is young yes and Mayo have more big game experience than us but the way we played wouldn't get your hopes up for the rest of the year in terms of success.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2019 18:10:52 GMT
I am delighted that Mayo brought their A game out with them at the start of the second half. Perfect lesson in where Kerry need to get to.
Very enjoyable game. Infinately better that the hurling final beforehand.
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Post by taggert on Mar 31, 2019 18:19:29 GMT
Unbelievable scenes of jubilation by Mayo in the stands at full time, important to stay and suck it up methinks. When they ratcheted up the pressure in the second half we wilted at times. Nevertheless, when O'Brien raided along the end line to find Clifford, we could have stolen it. The first goal originated with Murphy and O'Connor jumping for the same ball and a resutant 2 on 1 was punished uncermoniously. It was a vrry basic mistake. As was the second goal, when Ryan unwittingly tried to catch a high ball underhand instead of overhead. He did a lot of very good things today tho and I hope they persist with him. Midfield is a problem but we were well beaten on breaks too in the second half. In the first half Barry and DoC did well enough but were under serioys pressure in the second half. TSull had a quiet game and Dara Moynihan too - they were overpowered too easily at times. Keegan dogged SoS all day and he did well to keep his cool - LK was constantly mouthing, jersey pulling and blocking him off the ball. O'Brien was excellent and Clifford did v well at times but was starved of posession fir long periods. Murphy and Gavin Crowley battled manfully but we were poor on the transition from defence to attack. I still think we lack pace/power in the half back line. T Walsh was soso - got some bad ball and did ok but fumbled some good ball too. Kevin Mc won a pile of ball in the first half but the half fwd line were too deep to run off him and make hay. JFoley did well when introduced. He is a good defender who has the pace to back it up too. Mark Griffin tried to hand pass one ball under pressure (possibly hand pulled by AoS) and it lead to a Mayo point and his kick pass to a Mayo man lead to a second point. Ctucial mistakes and provided huge momentum to Mayo. Really not good enough in posession against the top teams. That wont change now. JoD, in my opinion, is absolutely no longer a threat to the top 6 teams. He does not have the pace to beat a man, the strength to break a tackle and has become very predictable (non stop lateral passing) and easy to mark. I know he has just reurned from inj. but for me he is well down the pecking order. All in all, a very good leage campaign, learned a lot and plenty to work on.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 31, 2019 18:20:19 GMT
A bit of sense and rational thinking is needed here. Kerry were not shocking we kept them to 5 points in the FH. We were comprehensively cleaned out in the second half. I dread reading the BS about shane in goal but we where under serious pressure in that second half. Barry needs to stand up now he is just not hard edged enough. Why play Tommy and barely play a ball into him he had about 2 foot on Barret. Reality check and thats not a bad thing, realistically we are 3rd behind Dublin and Mayo so lets not panic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 18:21:01 GMT
Well done to Mayo much the better team. We were flattered by the score at half time. Mayo again bossed the middle third. Tough day for the likes of Sean o Shea, Moynihan and diarmuid o Connor.
Ryan overall did ok.
The last goal was very poor, one point down with two minutes to go and we lose our shape completely.
I thought Barry did well overall but could have used the ball better. He was ploughing a lone furrow for a lot of that game.
As others have said, JOD was not at the races today. He picked up handy ball but did not do any damage with it.
Overall a good league campaign but this was a massive reality check. A semi final this year would be a success.
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Post by MeathExile on Mar 31, 2019 19:09:53 GMT
Disappointing today but if we were told pre first match vs Tyrone that we were going to win all bar one of the round matches and play in the league final not many would have believed it.
Agree that midfield is a problem at present - O Connor will be a fine player in the near future but he was up against a lot of experience today. David will be an improvement but may not be enough. Against Galway Tommy W came out in second half and did very well - wondering why he did not get a try there in second half when we were struggling.Gavin White may also be an option there, or Gavin O Brien perhaps.
JoD is not able to beat a man anymore - twice in the second half he had great opportunity to run at goal on the right side - he would at least have drawn a foul, but each time he turned around and passed backwards or sideways. In contrast, when Stephen got the same chance he nearly put Clifford in for a goal.
Re the goalie - Ryan is by far our best IMO.
Overall, a good spring, and Peter & co. will have lerned a lot from today. Unfortunately it will likely be the end of July before we see decent matches again. Assuming we win Munster, I believe we will have Ulster winner and runners up from Leinster/Connacht (or qualifier winner). Likely that will give us Tyrone, Galway and possibly Meath - which would be a nice group to test us.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 31, 2019 19:11:41 GMT
Another huge learning experience here today for us and a good reality check If we didn’t learn from the last defeat to mayo two weeks ago then surely we were shown our deficiencies today . I know I’m like a broken record but our mid field partnership is not good enough and I’m still looking for SOS to play midfield in the absence apparently any better options . Despite being many people’s player of the whole tournament we had no center forward in position today would Clifford not have been better center forward or full forward today ? Having a Roving full back looks dangerous too leaving us wide open frequently no one seems to know who the last man back is .more that once it was the workaholic SOS who had to fill in at FB on occasion Leaving no one to lead our attack and deliver good ball to The inside forwards . Overall brilliant league for us we know now what we need to do let’s do it !!
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 31, 2019 19:27:25 GMT
Another huge learning experience here today for us and a good reality check If we didn’t learn from the last defeat to mayo two weeks ago then surely we were shown our deficiencies today . I know I’m like a broken record but our mid field partnership is not good enough and I’m still looking for SOS to play midfield in the absence apparently any better options . Despite being many people’s player of the whole tournament we had no center forward in position today would Clifford not have been better center forward or full forward today ? Having a Roving full back looks dangerous too leaving us wide open frequently no one seems to know who the last man back is .more that once it was the workaholic SOS who had to fill in at FB on occasion Leaving no one to lead our attack and deliver good ball to The inside forwards . Overall brilliant league for us we know now what we need to do let’s do it !! Midfield is all over the shop, how we miss mark O'Connor. Id try SOS in there in fairness not ideal but needs must. JOD is afraid to take his man on, im sorry but he is a fantastic footballer but needs to watch a few videos of 2014 and why he won footballer of the year currently a shadow of that lad. Jason foley also needs to start we have no real man marker anymore.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 31, 2019 19:56:40 GMT
Shocking performance. Mid way through the second half there was 5 or 6 stray passes in a row. Goalkeeper can't deal with high ball. Serious problems in midfield. I thought Ryan did quite well to be honest. Coped well with any ball into him. The problem with the goal was that it was a lack of a fullback -Sean O'Sé was last man back and didn't jump for it. It reminds me of Galvin being last man back for the Tyrone goal in 2005. Players in positions that they are just not used to at vital moments. The other goal I can forgive as we were chasing the game, albeit with an extra man so perhaps he should have been marked. Ruane got a very similar goal to the one he scored in Tralee Both teams kicked a huge amount of ball short into Keepers hands and it was not flawless by any means. Exciting but no classic. Midfield is an issue. O'Connor is in year one and will learn from this and is one for the future. Jack Barry frustrates me as this is his third year and I see little progress - not taking his scores and not seeming to be up for the physicality of Mayo. He has the ability but plays with the handbrake on I think.We will probably learn alot more from this loss than if we had actually won the game. Overall a very positive spring campaign. As i've said before re Barry he seems to be too such of his place in the team. Hasn't really pushed on at all imo. Gavin O Brian was worth looking at today i thought, but was too late by the time he was brought on. Mark Griffin again i just wondering what his role actually is?
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Post by augustafield on Mar 31, 2019 20:05:54 GMT
Battle hardened and experience were the attributes Mayo brought to the table and used to defeat us - and deservedly so. Hurt heartbreak frustrations and repeating disappointments were the motives Mayo arrived with today and after beating us in Tralee here was an opportunity to right all the perceived wrongs inflicted on them in recent years - and who better than a young promising and progressive team like Kerry to put in their place .
Higgins Keegan Boyle Vaughan O Shea O Connor are all good footballers and were not going to be seen to be losers again and after the Tralee result had the confidence to go into this final in the absolute belief they had our measure . And that was proved by their performance when the match was to be won or lost.
One cannot begrudge Mayo and their long serving players a National League title so Congratulations to all .
Maybe it was more important that Mayo won today and than Kerry . Mayo would find it very difficult to come back from another final loss . Kerry would have lessons to learn and hopefully they will . A post mortem on today’s loss is for another day . But suffice to acknowledge that nobody will be more disappointed at the loss than the players . They gave us a better League run than we had any right to expect so thanks to them for that .
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Post by bannerman on Mar 31, 2019 20:24:08 GMT
From 2-9 we need to find answers for not just this year but for the years ahead While peter Crowley and Sherwood have some attributes of inter county standard players the art of defending is not one them.Foley will be a massive improvement upon his return Peter might be best served keep the shield in his mouth rather than running around with it half out his mouth, that can't be good for breathing Tom sullivan is not up to standard yet imo Gavin Crowley is a mighty bit of stuff As alluded to already, midfield is an issue, Moran will help but not enough I feel
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 21:13:19 GMT
I think we were not just not god enough today. Jason Foley if fit will start fullback . Gain white will help in the half back line. Midfield is definitely our biggest problem for sure. We don’t have another Mark O’Connor or a Dara O’Se type player to bring in there. That’s why a semi final would be good this year. We won’t get near the dubs if we meet them.
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Post by stevieq on Mar 31, 2019 21:22:15 GMT
1. All in all a very enjoyable league 2. Playing poorly Kerry nearly pipped it at the end. 3. Today will bring them on big time. 4. IMO if Mayo never win another competition again it will be too soon. Why can't we begrudge the likes of Keegan and O'Shea?
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2019 21:51:58 GMT
When the likes of Dublin and Mayo start to turn the screw in a game through relentless tackling etc Mark Griffin is caught in possession or loses possession or simply gives it away far too often and too easily.
He does a job against the likes of Roscommon and Cavan but its almost like a different sport when playing them. I like Mark and his pride in the jersey is admirable but the game at elite level v Dublin and Mayo is a huge step up
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Post by 1979 on Mar 31, 2019 21:59:35 GMT
Kick out strategy (for both theirs and ours) in the 1st half was v good I thought. Fell away badly in the second half, which is consistent with a tiring team.
Today will bring the likes of SOS, Tom Sull and Moynihan on a lot. They could have used the weather as an excuse for the defeat in Tralee, no such excuses today. They now know what they’ll face (and more) when things get really serious.
Today again proved that a big lad in a FF line can forget about fair play from the referee.Highly frustrating for the players themselves I imagine, bordering on the comical now for those in the stands.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2019 22:01:49 GMT
1. All in all a very enjoyable league 2. Playing poorly Kerry nearly pipped it at the end. 3. Today will bring them on big time. 4. IMO if Mayo never win another competition again it will be too soon. Why can't we begrudge the likes of Keegan and O'Shea? the good news for GAA fans is that we might have a competitive championship final in 2019 as it looks likes Mayo have found their mojo again and Ruane and Carr are definite quality. The 2018 procession by Dublin was of no interest to anymore.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 31, 2019 22:09:04 GMT
On Tv it showed Dara Moynihan jogging back out of the tunnel for the second half then he seemed to suddenly pull a muscle and hence Jameso came in does anyone know what actually happened here Not that it impacted the game too much just wondering hope Dara is ok
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