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Post by maryo on Mar 17, 2019 15:17:25 GMT
Agree re Dolan very poor commentary, I thought Mayo got soft frees and no comment. Hopefully Kerry will learn from this and move on.
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Post by taibhse on Mar 17, 2019 17:14:35 GMT
I'm hearing a lot of negativity around Tadhg Morley. I know he hasn't really hit form this league campaign but going into the season I think the general consensus was that he was our best defender. I can't undestand how people are writing him off. For me, he will be a key player at the back come championship. Completely agree.. I think the Paul Murphy experiment at center back worked well for several games, but I am not sure come championship he has the bulk for a central position.. I am guessing Peter Keane is figuring he has Tom O'S, Gavin W, Paul M and Tadhg M (as well as Gavin Crowley) and is trying to make it work such that the first 3 from that list can operate together in the half back line... To compete with the likes of Dublin and Mayo [when going well] I think you need a more physical CB than Paul Murphy. I wonder who is the A and the B full back at training? Is Jason Foley still injured, it is amazing if he fell down the pecking order that far! Paul Murphy is at least as big as Karl Lacey who played center halfback for Donegal and was a four-time Allstar. I don't recall anyone complaining that he was too small. Could you maybe inform us who we have that can do a better job right now?
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 17, 2019 17:51:21 GMT
Completely agree.. I think the Paul Murphy experiment at center back worked well for several games, but I am not sure come championship he has the bulk for a central position.. I am guessing Peter Keane is figuring he has Tom O'S, Gavin W, Paul M and Tadhg M (as well as Gavin Crowley) and is trying to make it work such that the first 3 from that list can operate together in the half back line... To compete with the likes of Dublin and Mayo [when going well] I think you need a more physical CB than Paul Murphy. I wonder who is the A and the B full back at training? Is Jason Foley still injured, it is amazing if he fell down the pecking order that far! Paul Murphy is at least as big as Karl Lacey who played center halfback for Donegal and was a four-time Allstar. I don't recall anyone complaining that he was too small. Could you maybe inform us who we have that can do a better job right now? Totally different players. Lacey would have been much stronger than Murphy, and two of his All-Stars were as a corner back
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 17, 2019 18:52:07 GMT
Frees conceded ridiculous gotta look at discipline in tackle especially when opposition player is surrounded and going no where ,why would you foul and lose possession. No left legged scorers/ kickers at 10 or 13 Is Tony Brosnan a natural ciotog ? SOS attacking midfielder or center forward ?
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 17, 2019 21:52:43 GMT
Frees conceded ridiculous gotta look at discipline in tackle especially when opposition player is surrounded and going no where ,why would you foul and lose possession. No left legged scorers/ kickers at 10 or 13 Is Tony Brosnan a natural ciotog ? SOS attacking midfielder or center forward ? Yes Tony is a natural left footer but you must remember so are Clifford and O' Donoghue and I'd be surprised if one the two of them weren't selected at 13 for the summer. As to Seán O'Shea being at midfield I don't think so, he is too influential in the half forward line to be taken out of it and also who would be able to replace him at 11?
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Post by gamechanger10 on Mar 17, 2019 23:08:45 GMT
The16thman, He did a lot of firefighting last night and consequently played far too little in his more prominent and influential position. Now the conendrum is was that as a result or Mayo smarts or was it a result of a chayotic disorganization in light of the freakish weather.. nothing better than a slip in the trapeze show when the nets are up
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 17, 2019 23:13:56 GMT
The16thman, He did a lot of firefighting last night and consequently played far too little in his more prominent and influential position. Now the conendrum is was that as a result or Mayo smarts or was it a result of a chayotic disorganization in light of the freakish weather.. nothing better than a slip in the trapeze show when the nets are up I agree that he was rarely seen in his more natural position but I would put that mostly down to Aidan O'Shea's influence at midfield, also Kerry were struggling badly to get the ball out of defence against the wind so he had no choice but to get back to get on the ball and try carry the ball into the attack.
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Post by whitefire on Mar 17, 2019 23:29:33 GMT
Last night was reminiscent of last year's performances, when the going got tough,no one stood up. Begley is the worst man marker in the team, he consistently gets roasted by scoring forwards. Maybe he can play half back but why Ronan Shanahan was left out of the squad, I seriously don't know. We have 6 defenders who'd rather bomb forward than mind the house, it's going to haunt us this year. Our midfield is also a problem and I think geaney and Jameso's best days are behind them. Lots for Peter and the lads to ponder.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 17, 2019 23:40:34 GMT
Last night was reminiscent of last year's performances, when the going got tough,no one stood up. Begley is the worst man marker in the team, he consistently gets roasted by scoring forwards. Maybe he can play half back but why Ronan Shanahan was left out of the squad, I seriously don't know. We have 6 defenders who'd rather bomb forward than mind the house, it's going to haunt us this year. Our midfield is also a problem and I think geaney and Jameso's best days are behind them. Lots for Peter and the lads to ponder. The biggest issue last night was Mayo backs and in particular Ruane bombing forward with no one tracking them. That wasn’t the backs’ fault and that’s been the issue the last few years.
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Post by gbbuei on Mar 18, 2019 0:32:45 GMT
I know it sticks in peoples craws round here but when Mayo collectively decide to go for it, they are extremely hard to beat. They seldom bother their arses with the league but Kerry got a great eye opener about how physically strong Mayo are and how good they are at closing teams down. When in the mood. I really hope they meet in the league final. Super education for a young upcoming team. Good post and would agree wholeheartedly. Clear structure and way of playing that has been refined over the last 5 or 6 years. Physically imposing and plenty of pace which is why they can physically match Dublin. Just dont have enough marquee forwards. For me what they don’t have is enough leaders when the going gets really tough going down the finishing straight with the winning line in sight. They’ve been in the position to win enough times even with the forwards they’ve got. But there has not been that leadership refusal of “not today, not this day, we’re not losing any longer”. I’m sorry but for me Aidan O’Shea, for example, has hidden in those moments. Back taking handy hand passes from David Clarke when he should be in a position on the field to influence the game at the crucial winning moment of a match. By comparison Connolly doesn’t hide. He goes looking for the ball in areas that can hurt you. I think despite how much they’ve improved mentally it’s still that bit short - probably affected by coming up the finishing straight so many times and not getting over the line.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 18, 2019 1:00:39 GMT
Aiden oShea was off form in 2018 and Mayo never really got going at all in 2018 as a result.
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 18, 2019 2:08:08 GMT
Perhaps we'll get the chance to wrong the rights in a league final. Given our results over the past 5 years against Mayo compared with the results we were having against them 10 years previous (I realize that its the same with us and Dublin aswell) their supporters must be confident of beating us when we play each other as up until Fitzmaurice took over they didn't beat us too often especially in championship (2017 was the first time since 96'). If you had no clue about football at all watching the games in 2014 with the way we celebrated after beating them and the way we were dominated for a game and a half in 2017 you'd think Mayo were the team with 37 AI titles, not us, but I really hope Peter puts an end to that trend (and the Dublin one of course) and I know it'll be a hard transition but Mayo seem to be the kind of team that when given a sniff of hope them and their supporters feed off it and put the opposition on the back foot and under pressure straight away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 8:18:52 GMT
There must surely be a better keeper around than Brian Kelly to be brought into the panel at this stage. Had his chance and no where near good enough - his kick outs are not long enough he kicked a couple straight out for Mayo marks and of course one out over the sidelines. Not to mention his forrays from goal with one nearly leading to a Mayo goal.
PK and co should keep an eye on the forthcoming club champs to unearth a guy to rival Ryan and Murphy. From seeing the co champ last year the dingle keeper might be worth a trial?
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 18, 2019 8:50:25 GMT
Brian Kelly is not good enough. I assume that Shane Ryan and Shane Murphy will be our two keepers for this years championship. Jack Barry also needs to stand up and start to lead. Absolutely bullied by Aidan O Shea on Saturday nyt. Jack is around for 3 years now . Time to step up
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 18, 2019 11:52:46 GMT
I wouldn't be too disappointed about the result in a terrible evening for football, driving wind and rain. The pitch was a credit to the grounds staff and stadium people. It looks like a top class all weather pitch. Well done to all there. The Shed is a great development. Completing another covered area in time that could seat another 4-50000 people would create a fabulous NFL venue for Saturday night football.
Mayo still remain a serious prospect, physically fit & strong, defensively very sound and have enough grafters in the middle third to trouble all the main summer contenders. Mayo are masters at soaking up pressure and Saturday night will be a big learning curve for a new young Kerry team.
The optics of this one are that if Kerry had pulled the trigger in an advanced position just before the breakaway goal probably would have won this game 12-10 or 12-11 and we would all be swinging out of the ceiling lights here.
No big deal either way. We know where Kerry are, their strengths, their weaknesses and what they need to do. It will take a strange turn of events for Kerry to miss out on a league final now, a wonderful achievement for PK and a young team. We would have taken 10 from 12 points striking out back in January at this point. I fully expect Kerry to give the league final a massive rattle on Sunday week, and hopefully with Shane Ryan in goals for the rest of the league. He won't have learned anything sitting on the bench on Saturday night.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 18, 2019 12:17:57 GMT
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Post by peanuts on Mar 18, 2019 12:19:22 GMT
I think Kelly had one of his better games for Kerry on Saturday night. It was very difficult in the second half against the strong wind and with Mayo pushing up. Still think it will be the 2 Shane’s come summer with Ryan starting IMO. It will be interesting to see if the Crokes lads will be involved this weekend.
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Post by southward on Mar 18, 2019 12:31:56 GMT
"For milliseconds you are clawing at their soul and exposing your own to not open even a crack of sunlight."
"that will require some detailed architecture on the training field along with a more belligerent mindset to underpin it."
Jesus wept! We're talking about a football game here? # spoofer
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Post by dc84 on Mar 18, 2019 12:41:33 GMT
"For milliseconds you are clawing at their soul and exposing your own to not open even a crack of sunlight."
"that will require some detailed architecture on the training field along with a more belligerent mindset to underpin it."
Jesus wept! We're talking about a football game here? # spoofer Yeah gas man, mayo could break the tackles because they were bigger and stronger end of. Like he more or less said it himself sos and p.crowley are 2 of our best tacklers as they are strong
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 18, 2019 12:43:53 GMT
“ when you win you didn’t do everything right when you lose you didn’t do everything wrong “______.?
Saturday night we didn’t do everything wrong and today we are analyzing everything from the goalkeeper to Peter Keane himself . Amazing what a narrow loss can do ! This can be a very positive for us but only if we act on the findings of Saturday night. If we had won by a point on Saturday I doubt if we would have seen our glaring mediocrity as clear . We got lucky Saturday now let’s learn the lessons harsh as they may be and push on from here .
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 18, 2019 12:47:31 GMT
Kerry are in a very positive place now to move on over the next few years. There is an NFL there to be won over the next few weeks for any of the top four teams in the meantime.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 18, 2019 13:11:41 GMT
I'd say if they meet in the league final, Shane Enright "will see action" in the vacinity of Aiden O'Shea. Hopefully anyway!
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Post by Joxer on Mar 18, 2019 13:54:53 GMT
“ If we had won by a point on Saturday I doubt if we would have seen our glaring mediocrity as clear . ‘Our glaring mediocrity ‘!!! Really. I’m not a regular on here anymore and comments like this are a big part of the reason why not. ‘Glaring mediocrity.... Jesus wept 😳
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Post by oldschool on Mar 18, 2019 15:10:41 GMT
While the above discussion is interesting and informative I would like to digress briefly. Time and time again I've said that our kick-out strategy is letting us down. Look back at how Corofin dealt with Crokes kick-out. Look at the way Mayo can limit our kickout options. Will we ever learn. Also (while I'm o a rant) many options to kick a point are scorned in favour of passing. Look at the video of Dublin play and see what I'm saying I can feel the heat coming at me already for suggesting we learn from Dublin Ouch !!
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Post by taibhse on Mar 18, 2019 15:12:11 GMT
"For milliseconds you are clawing at their soul and exposing your own to not open even a crack of sunlight."
"that will require some detailed architecture on the training field along with a more belligerent mindset to underpin it."
Jesus wept! We're talking about a football game here? # spoofer Why are ye so hostile to a journalist writing with a bit literary flourish? The only fruitful thing that never lets one down is the power of listening. People dumb or smart always add value to one’s life. Nothing to lose…
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Post by oldschool on Mar 18, 2019 15:19:28 GMT
Roscommon game will be interesting (tactics wise) Keep an eye open for Conor Cox
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Post by taggert on Mar 18, 2019 15:31:43 GMT
I'd say if they meet in the league final, Shane Enright "will see action" in the vacinity of Aiden O'Shea. Hopefully anyway! OShea would swat him aside like a fly....
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Post by whitefire on Mar 18, 2019 18:59:18 GMT
When Kerry won All Ireland during the 2000s, they had a number of great players who would be on every county team in the country. The likes of Tomás, Darragh, Marc, Declan, Cooper, Moynihan, Galvin and Donaghy are all time greats. Bar Clifford and O'Shea I don't see that cailibre of footballer in the current crop. We are only all hoping that the lads can get it together and right for the summer. Our backs are still not good enough defenders, our midfield has question mars over it and the wing forwards were found badly wanting against Mayo. Plenty to put right!
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Post by themanfromthewest on Mar 18, 2019 19:50:06 GMT
When Kerry won All Ireland during the 2000s, they had a number of great players who would be on every county team in the country. The likes of Tomás, Darragh, Marc, Declan, Cooper, Moynihan, Galvin and Donaghy are all time greats. Bar Clifford and O'Shea I don't see that cailibre of footballer in the current crop. We are only all hoping that the lads can get it together and right for the summer. Our backs are still not good enough defenders, our midfield has question mars over it and the wing forwards were found badly wanting against Mayo. Plenty to put right! None of those guys were superstars at 21-22 with the exception of cooper. Declan and Marc really struggled when they first got in to the team. We may be expecting too much from players still so young. Kerry under PK is a 2-3 year project minimum imo, and the likes of Tom O’Sullivan and Dara Moynihan could well be a good as some of our 00’s team but we need a bit of patience.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 18, 2019 21:12:33 GMT
I'd say if they meet in the league final, Shane Enright "will see action" in the vacinity of Aiden O'Shea. Hopefully anyway! OShea would swat him aside like a fly.... He definitely would. Enright isn't that big or strong. If we really wanted to negate the influence of Aidan O'Shea we could move Tommy Walsh out to midfield. He is the only player as strong as him.
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