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Post by greenmen55 on Feb 19, 2019 21:36:35 GMT
Peter Keane doing some interviews with the press. From what I can see Kerry will be missing 13 from the squad of 40 for the Galway game (I'm assuming none of the Sigerson lads will feature) This also assumes no other knocks picked up in training before Sunday. 1 David Clifford Injury 2 Killian Young Injury 3 James O’Donoghue Injury 4 Shane Murphy Club 5 Gavin White Club 6 Michael Potts Club 7 Michael Burns Club 8 David Shaw Club 9 Sean O'Shea Sigerson 10 Killian Spillane Sigerson 11 Graham O'Sullivan Sigerson 12 Conor Geaney Sigerson 13 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch Suspended/Sigerson It is a bit of a joke if Potts is in with the squad and Brosnan isn’t don’t get me wrong Michael Potts is a very good young player but if he can’t make his clubs starting team and is on the squad ahead of arguably the best player in last years championship and arguably the best player for the same team that Potts can’t make.... I mean come on!!
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 19, 2019 21:40:29 GMT
Maybe tis aisier to get in if you are a back.
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Post by taibhse on Feb 19, 2019 21:48:09 GMT
Maybe tis aisier to get in if you are a back. Sometimes lads have to be managed differently! I trust Peter Keane in these issues.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 19, 2019 21:56:43 GMT
Brosnan did not play for Crokes until Rd 3 due to injury - shot the lights out vs An Ghaeltacht & Legion but was less effective in the semi final & final ( being replaced late on in both games?) - Shaw had probably a better championship & has kicked on since then.
It is odd that Potts is in the Kerry squad & not starting for Crokes - hard to question Pat O’Sheas judgment but I would have thought Potts better than either of the Crokes starting wing backs! Crokes seem to be sticking with the tried & trusted, experience over youth - Naughton, Kiely, Courtney not getting much game time either.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 19, 2019 22:03:52 GMT
can ye name another player that played senior for Kerry before playing senior for his club
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 19, 2019 22:24:52 GMT
can ye name another player that played senior for Kerry before playing senior for his club Pa Laude?
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 19, 2019 22:48:25 GMT
can ye name another player that played senior for Kerry before playing senior for his club Pa Laude? yes. If i recall correctly...a league game in Croker v Meath when Meath were an awsome outfit. Pat Driscoll featured that day. Pa Laide was a thin frail youngster and at any moment he could have ended in a "lubaun" courtesy of Harnan, Lyons etc. He survived it.
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 19, 2019 23:01:49 GMT
Brosnan did not play for Crokes until Rd 3 due to injury - shot the lights out vs An Ghaeltacht & Legion but was less effective in the semi final & final ( being replaced late on in both games?) - Shaw had probably a better championship & has kicked on since then. It is odd that Potts is in the Kerry squad & not starting for Crokes - hard to question Pat O’Sheas judgment but I would have thought Potts better than either of the Crokes starting wing backs! Crokes seem to be sticking with the tried & trusted, experience over youth - Naughton, Kiely, Courtney not getting much game time either. I was surprised at that too when I saw him come on last saturday. I don't think that Crokes policy of preferring experience explains it. A county panelist should always be on his club team. Shaw is young and is on the club team. I think O'Shea has his favourites.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 19, 2019 23:14:27 GMT
Peter Keane doing some interviews with the press. From what I can see Kerry will be missing 13 from the squad of 40 for the Galway game (I'm assuming none of the Sigerson lads will feature) This also assumes no other knocks picked up in training before Sunday. 1 David Clifford Injury 2 Killian Young Injury 3 James O’Donoghue Injury 4 Shane Murphy Club 5 Gavin White Club 6 Michael Potts Club 7 Michael Burns Club 8 David Shaw Club 9 Sean O'Shea Sigerson 10 Killian Spillane Sigerson 11 Graham O'Sullivan Sigerson 12 Conor Geaney Sigerson 13 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch Suspended/Sigerson It is a bit of a joke if Potts is in with the squad and Brosnan isn’t don’t get me wrong Michael Potts is a very good young player but if he can’t make his clubs starting team and is on the squad ahead of arguably the best player in last years championship and arguably the best player for the same team that Potts can’t make.... I mean come on!! Different managers want different things. Different managers have different players available too. What works with Crokes might not work with Kerry and vice versa. A great club player doesn't necessarily make a great intercounty player and also vice versa. Kieran O'Leary and Daithi Casey are hugely important for Crokes, as is Fionn, but they haven't had the same impact with Kerry. Shaw, Burns, Potts, Murphy, White and Brosnan are the Crokes players I would like to see in the extended Kerry squad, whether they play or are good enough is a second. Whether Keane or O'Shea rate Potts remains to be seen. From what I have seen Potts he is a very good half back. We definitely need a few good backs and Keane might see something in him O'Shea doesn't want or need for the way Crokes play. David Shaw also needs to be involved in my opinion. Is Kiely injured or is he totally out of favour with the Crokes? He and Burns were super subs before for Crokes and he played junior for Kerry as well. Whatever goes on in training only Keane knows and so far he seems to be getting things very right. Given that we have three games won already and the players Galway are missing through injury and club commitments you'd expect they will give a few fringe players a chance.
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Post by jamo on Feb 20, 2019 17:15:33 GMT
Kerry have a big squad of player's and I am sure Peter Keane will not risk any player by over using him this time of the year - It is important to blood players that he feels could do a job in the summer / September when denying Dublin 5 in a row.
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Post by himself on Feb 20, 2019 17:46:40 GMT
I think that Peter Keane has young players like Potts, Shaw, and O'Sullivan in with an eye to preparing them for the future rather than the present. That was a regular policy of his (and Jack O'Connors) with the Kerry minors and I think it's the right approach.
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Post by homerj on Feb 21, 2019 8:48:05 GMT
how come we have lads allowed play Sigerson yet cant play with their county (example David Shaw) and i believe Silke is another example for Galway.
Sigerson should be played off over 4 days in november to allow lads a chance in early spring to get into their country team.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 21, 2019 9:07:14 GMT
I believe some Corofin lads played some intercounty in this league.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 21, 2019 10:25:28 GMT
how come we have lads allowed play Sigerson yet cant play with their county (example David Shaw) and i believe Silke is another example for Galway. Sigerson should be played off over 4 days in november to allow lads a chance in early spring to get into their country team. For 2 reasons: - Most colleges have exams in December. It makes more sense to play the Sigerson at the start of semester 2. Burnout is a serious concern. Do you really expect players to be asked to play 4 days in a row? They have already changed the old format of playing the Sigerson semis and final on the same weekend due to burnout. Sigerson is one of the best competitions out there. A high level and very competitive. It's not all about the county teams.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Feb 21, 2019 10:28:52 GMT
how come we have lads allowed play Sigerson yet cant play with their county (example David Shaw) and i believe Silke is another example for Galway. Sigerson should be played off over 4 days in november to allow lads a chance in early spring to get into their country team. Sigerson is a fantastic competition, a championship for university players. Players should be facilitated to play it and the competition itself should be promoted and given precedence. It's February.... The business end of the intercounty scene is the end of august. There's plenty time for that
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Post by clarinman on Feb 21, 2019 10:30:47 GMT
I believe some Corofin lads played some intercounty in this league. Liam Silke and Ian Burke of Corofin played for Galway in round 1 of the league this year. They did not play in rounds 2 and 3.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 21, 2019 12:43:39 GMT
Sigerson should be played off over 4 days in november to allow lads a chance in early spring to get into their country team. i couldnt disagree more
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Post by homerj on Feb 21, 2019 18:06:54 GMT
Sigerson should be played off over 4 days in november to allow lads a chance in early spring to get into their country team. i couldnt disagree more care to elaborate ? how its good for lads to be playing sunday, midweek, sunday, all at top level in February? no reason what so ever the sigerson cant be played off in one week, as it used to be before.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 21, 2019 18:45:08 GMT
In my honest opinion the Sigerson and Fitzgibbon should be played over 4, 5 weekends in January, early February. My big worry would be conditions in January and February though. But that is the case now as well. Followed by a 5 division league of 6 teams. With the lower two divisions of 7 teams. That means more competitive games for the lower placed teams. It would mean the league can be played in 7 weeks, over February and March. April and May could then be used for club games. Having the championship from June to August. Most teams play only a few games now to reach the final. 4 games in Leinster or Ulster, if the team is involved in the preliminary round, to reach the provincial final,and previously 3 more games to reach the All Ireland final. With the super 8s it means 2 more games. So the most games any team plays to reach an All ireland final is currently 9 games. If we have a two tier cup format for the championship with an open draw based on league standings we could two championships of 17 teams (if Kilkenny stay in the football championship), though I think in reality that should be two of 16 teams. That way people have something to play for in the league, even in the latter stages. Have an open draw for 4 poules of 4 teams, who all play each other home and away. We would all have a minimum of 6 games that way against teams at the same level. The 4 winners of each poule, play semi finals and a final. So that means 8 games for all teams to a final. June to August means 15, 16 weeks to play 8 games. No replays, but extra time and in the second of extra time a golden score, where any score would win the game if the teams are still level after the first period of extra time. September, October, November and December should be enough time for club competitions, especially if we already had games in April and May. At the moment there are large gaps in the championship were nothing happens, players have no club games either, just training. Having the same amount of games for all teams would be much fairer as well. Having those games against teams at the same level and making the league more competitive would benefit all.
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Post by tpo on Feb 21, 2019 19:19:42 GMT
what time is deferred viewing being shown 3.30pm approx or 5pmapprox
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 23:02:43 GMT
There is no reason for Seanie Shea to play this weekend.
Sigerson shoujd be given priority this time of year. A lot of the players get sport scholarships so it is fair enough to for the colleges to expect something in return.
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Post by Hicser on Feb 21, 2019 23:27:55 GMT
Absolutely no argument here, Sigerson is the priority. I’d imagine for the players it is a most enjoyable competition, playing with lads from other counties, effectively your college mates without the pressures that inter-county brings. Also these are very young men who probably are very active anyway so playing more games in a short period is not as big a deal to them,
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Post by Callitasitis on Feb 21, 2019 23:32:35 GMT
In my honest opinion the Sigerson and Fitzgibbon should be played over 4, 5 weekends in January, early February. My big worry would be conditions in January and February though. But that is the case now as well. Followed by a 5 division league of 6 teams. With the lower two divisions of 7 teams. That means more competitive games for the lower placed teams. It would mean the league can be played in 7 weeks, over February and March. April and May could then be used for club games. Having the championship from June to August. Most teams play only a few games now to reach the final. 4 games in Leinster or Ulster, if the team is involved in the preliminary round, to reach the provincial final,and previously 3 more games to reach the All Ireland final. With the super 8s it means 2 more games. So the most games any team plays to reach an All ireland final is currently 9 games. If we have a two tier cup format for the championship with an open draw based on league standings we could two championships of 17 teams (if Kilkenny stay in the football championship), though I think in reality that should be two of 16 teams. That way people have something to play for in the league, even in the latter stages. Have an open draw for 4 poules of 4 teams, who all play each other home and away. We would all have a minimum of 6 games that way against teams at the same level. The 4 winners of each poule, play semi finals and a final. So that means 8 games for all teams to a final. June to August means 15, 16 weeks to play 8 games. No replays, but extra time and in the second of extra time a golden score, where any score would win the game if the teams are still level after the first period of extra time. September, October, November and December should be enough time for club competitions, especially if we already had games in April and May. At the moment there are large gaps in the championship were nothing happens, players have no club games either, just training. Having the same amount of games for all teams would be much fairer as well. Having those games against teams at the same level and making the league more competitive would benefit all. Are you not letting New York and London take part in the championship??
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 22, 2019 1:26:49 GMT
In my honest opinion the Sigerson and Fitzgibbon should be played over 4, 5 weekends in January, early February. My big worry would be conditions in January and February though. But that is the case now as well. Followed by a 5 division league of 6 teams. With the lower two divisions of 7 teams. That means more competitive games for the lower placed teams. It would mean the league can be played in 7 weeks, over February and March. April and May could then be used for club games. Having the championship from June to August. Most teams play only a few games now to reach the final. 4 games in Leinster or Ulster, if the team is involved in the preliminary round, to reach the provincial final,and previously 3 more games to reach the All Ireland final. With the super 8s it means 2 more games. So the most games any team plays to reach an All ireland final is currently 9 games. If we have a two tier cup format for the championship with an open draw based on league standings we could two championships of 17 teams (if Kilkenny stay in the football championship), though I think in reality that should be two of 16 teams. That way people have something to play for in the league, even in the latter stages. Have an open draw for 4 poules of 4 teams, who all play each other home and away. We would all have a minimum of 6 games that way against teams at the same level. The 4 winners of each poule, play semi finals and a final. So that means 8 games for all teams to a final. June to August means 15, 16 weeks to play 8 games. No replays, but extra time and in the second of extra time a golden score, where any score would win the game if the teams are still level after the first period of extra time. September, October, November and December should be enough time for club competitions, especially if we already had games in April and May. At the moment there are large gaps in the championship were nothing happens, players have no club games either, just training. Having the same amount of games for all teams would be much fairer as well. Having those games against teams at the same level and making the league more competitive would benefit all. Are you not letting New York and London take part in the championship?? London I would to be honest, but realistically New York will always be a preliminary only as they won't play home and away games. Therefore I get to 32 teams, tow championships of 16 teams, as Kilkenny will probably not be in the two tier championship. London already have away and home games in the league so that wouldn't be a big issue. Even Brexit shouldn't upset that too much as it's the same as teams from the north. Based on current rankings (as in the paper on January 1st) you would get a league with: Division 1 1.DUBLIN 2. GALWAY 3. MONAGHAN 4. TYRONE 5. DONEGAL 6. KERRY Division 2 7. KILDARE 8. MAYO 9. ROSCOMMON 10. CAVAN 11. MEATH 12. CLARE Division 3 13. FERMANAGH 14. ARMAGH 15. CORK 16. DOWN 17. TIPPERARY 18. LONGFORD Division 4 19. LAOIS 20. WESTMEATH 21. SLIGO 22. CARLOW 23. LOUTH 24. OFFALY 25. DERRY Division 5 26. WEXFORD 27. ANTRIM 28. LEITRIM 29. WATERFORD 30. WICKLOW 31. LIMERICK 32. LONDON If the league would finish in exactly that order the teams in the first tier championship would be: 1.DUBLIN 2. GALWAY 3. MONAGHAN 4. TYRONE 5. DONEGAL 6. KERRY 7. KILDARE 8. MAYO 9. ROSCOMMON 10. CAVAN 11. MEATH 12. CLARE 13. FERMANAGH 14. ARMAGH 15. CORK 16. DOWN Dublin, Galway, Monaghan and Tyrone would go into the groups first, with Donegal, Kerry, Kildare and Mayo next. Third bowl would be Roscommon, Cavan, Meath and Clare and finally Fermanagh, Armagh, Cork and Down. With home and away games you would have some really close games in both tiers of the championship and teams in Division 4 and 5 will actually be able to beat the teams in the 2nd tier championship or rise to the first tier championship in one or 2 seasons. That would keep the league games interesting till the last games and the poule games as well. Currently, all teams in what would be division 5 would be hoping to draw another minion in the first rounds of the championship to make it two rounds of championship before they go into the qualifier. For WEXFORD, ANTRIM, LEITRIM, WATERFORD, WICKLOW, LIMERICK and LONDON the current championship offers little. In a poule structure with home and away games they could reach semi finals or finals of the two tier championship. They could even work their way up the league and into the first tier. It also will see more games around the country.
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 22, 2019 7:51:00 GMT
From the TG4 website. Galway v Kerry at 5:15.
GAA Beo
Dé Domhnaigh
Sraith Iomána Allianz
Tiobraid Árann v Cill Chainnigh – BEO @ 1.30pm
An Clár v Loch Garman – IARBHEO @ 3.00pm
Sraith Peile Allianz
Gaillimh v Ciarraí – IARBHEO @ 5.15pm
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Post by Callitasitis on Feb 22, 2019 9:53:59 GMT
Are you not letting New York and London take part in the championship?? London I would to be honest, but realistically New York will always be a preliminary only as they won't play home and away games. Therefore I get to 32 teams, tow championships of 16 teams, as Kilkenny will probably not be in the two tier championship. London already have away and home games in the league so that wouldn't be a big issue. Even Brexit shouldn't upset that too much as it's the same as teams from the north. Based on current rankings (as in the paper on January 1st) you would get a league with: Division 1 1.DUBLIN 2. GALWAY 3. MONAGHAN 4. TYRONE 5. DONEGAL 6. KERRY Division 2 7. KILDARE 8. MAYO 9. ROSCOMMON 10. CAVAN 11. MEATH 12. CLARE Division 3 13. FERMANAGH 14. ARMAGH 15. CORK 16. DOWN 17. TIPPERARY 18. LONGFORD Division 4 19. LAOIS 20. WESTMEATH 21. SLIGO 22. CARLOW 23. LOUTH 24. OFFALY 25. DERRY Division 5 26. WEXFORD 27. ANTRIM 28. LEITRIM 29. WATERFORD 30. WICKLOW 31. LIMERICK 32. LONDON If the league would finish in exactly that order the teams in the first tier championship would be: 1.DUBLIN 2. GALWAY 3. MONAGHAN 4. TYRONE 5. DONEGAL 6. KERRY 7. KILDARE 8. MAYO 9. ROSCOMMON 10. CAVAN 11. MEATH 12. CLARE 13. FERMANAGH 14. ARMAGH 15. CORK 16. DOWN Dublin, Galway, Monaghan and Tyrone would go into the groups first, with Donegal, Kerry, Kildare and Mayo next. Third bowl would be Roscommon, Cavan, Meath and Clare and finally Fermanagh, Armagh, Cork and Down. With home and away games you would have some really close games in both tiers of the championship and teams in Division 4 and 5 will actually be able to beat the teams in the 2nd tier championship or rise to the first tier championship in one or 2 seasons. That would keep the league games interesting till the last games and the poule games as well. Currently, all teams in what would be division 5 would be hoping to draw another minion in the first rounds of the championship to make it two rounds of championship before they go into the qualifier. For WEXFORD, ANTRIM, LEITRIM, WATERFORD, WICKLOW, LIMERICK and LONDON the current championship offers little. In a poule structure with home and away games they could reach semi finals or finals of the two tier championship. They could even work their way up the league and into the first tier. It also will see more games around the country. Interesting proposals but difficult to implement as New York play in the championship so can't rule them out and when do you play your provisional championship or will that be just a u17 and u20 competition the die hards won't like that
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Post by buck02 on Feb 22, 2019 11:09:56 GMT
Back to topic anyway.
2 or 3 changes for Sunday likely - I'd like to see Jason Foley for Begley and Mikey Geaney for Seanie Shea. It might be tough on Spillane but might be no harm giving David Moran to start - although dont let him take over Seanie Shea's free taking duties.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 22, 2019 11:17:31 GMT
It will be interesting to see if perceptions towards PG's form changes here on Monday if SOS doesn't play and PG kicks 4 or 5 frees and a few from play.
Not a given SOS won't start. Heavy winter training would probably be harder than playing 2 games per week. Kerry have 10-12 game left to play between now and next January.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 22, 2019 11:19:17 GMT
Pointless conversation regarding changing the provincial championship structure. Bit like waiting for the ordination of women in the Catholic church.....!
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Post by buck02 on Feb 22, 2019 11:46:14 GMT
It will be interesting to see if perceptions towards PG's form changes here on Monday if SOS doesn't play and PG kicks 4 or 5 frees and a few from play. Not a given SOS won't start. Heavy winter training would probably be harder than playing 2 games per week. Kerry have 10-12 game left to play between now and next January. Trying to figure out that first sentence. Do you think his form for Kerry hasnt been poor in 2018 and 2019 so?
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