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Post by Mickmack on Jan 16, 2019 18:36:57 GMT
about the rules... If you are in the opposition half and a team mate, who is inside his own,45 chips a ball into your arms....
1 do you get a free shot at goal 2 is it only the fetcher who kicks it 3 must it be taken within x number of seconds 4 must it be kicked from the hand 5 must you fetch it over your head to get the mark or do you get a mark even if you catch it lowdown before it hits the ground
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Post by taibhse on Jan 16, 2019 20:13:39 GMT
about the rules... If you are in the opposition half and a team mate, who is inside his own,45 chips a ball into your arms.... 1 do you get a free shot at goal 2 is it only the fetcher who kicks it 3 must it be taken within x number of seconds 4 must it be kicked from the hand 5 must you fetch it over your head to get the mark or do you get a mark even if you catch it lowdown before it hits the ground This is the explanation of that rule published in ‘ The 42’. It covers most of your questions I think. The Mark To extend the application of the mark to the clean catching of the ball on or inside the 20m line from a kick delivered on or beyond the 45m line without it touching the ground. In the case of a mark being awarded to an attacking player on or inside the 20m line, the free, if availed of, shall be taken from the point on the 20m line directly in line where the Mark is awarded. In the case of a mark being awarded to a defending player on or inside the 20m line, the free kick, if availed of, shall be taken from the point where the mark is awarded. The application of the mark in the two areas of it arising (i.e. as in current rule and in new proposal) shall be standardized as follows: - Up to 15 seconds shall be allowed for a free to be taken from a Mark. - If the referee determines that the player who makes the mark has been injured in the process and unable to take the kick, the referee shall direct the player’s nearest teammate to take the kick. - A score may be made from a free awarded for a mark. - The normal rules governing free-kicks shall apply (e.g. players being 13m from the ball before it is kicked). Exception: A free-kick from a mark shall be taken from the hand(s) only. If a player opts to ‘play on’ when awarded a mark, he may be challenged i.e. provisions (b) (i) and (ii) of the current mark rule shall not apply during the experimentation.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 16, 2019 20:26:38 GMT
Does the fetcher have to be on or inside the 20 metre line.. not too sure that he does.
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Post by taibhse on Jan 16, 2019 21:12:15 GMT
Does the fetcher have to be on or inside the 20 metre line.. not too sure that he does. I believe you are correct there Mickmack. The requirement is that the ball has to delivered from outside the opposition’s 45m line and that travels a minimum of 20 metres.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 21:25:25 GMT
Correct, The fetcher does not have be inside the 21 metre line, the ball just has to travel 20 metres.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jan 16, 2019 21:55:41 GMT
about the rules... If you are in the opposition half and a team mate, who is inside his own,45 chips a ball into your arms.... 1 do you get a free shot at goal 2 is it only the fetcher who kicks it 3 must it be taken within x number of seconds 4 must it be kicked from the hand 5 must you fetch it over your head to get the mark or do you get a mark even if you catch it lowdown before it hits the ground This is the explanation of that rule published in ‘ The 42’. It covers most of your questions I think. The Mark To extend the application of the mark to the clean catching of the ball on or inside the 20m line from a kick delivered on or beyond the 45m line without it touching the ground.
In the case of a mark being awarded to an attacking player on or inside the 20m line, the free, if availed of, shall be taken from the point on the 20m line directly in line where the Mark is awarded.
In the case of a mark being awarded to a defending player on or inside the 20m line, the free kick, if availed of, shall be taken from the point where the mark is awarded.The application of the mark in the two areas of it arising (i.e. as in current rule and in new proposal) shall be standardized as follows: - Up to 15 seconds shall be allowed for a free to be taken from a Mark. - If the referee determines that the player who makes the mark has been injured in the process and unable to take the kick, the referee shall direct the player’s nearest teammate to take the kick. - A score may be made from a free awarded for a mark. - The normal rules governing free-kicks shall apply (e.g. players being 13m from the ball before it is kicked). Exception: A free-kick from a mark shall be taken from the hand(s) only. If a player opts to ‘play on’ when awarded a mark, he may be challenged i.e. provisions (b) (i) and (ii) of the current mark rule shall not apply during the experimentation. Ciarraiabu and taibhse...see bold above. Seems to say the fetcher must be on or inside the 20. Or am I reading it incorrectly?
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Post by Premier on Jan 16, 2019 22:09:56 GMT
Going to take a wild guess at the Kerry team based on what’s in the papers: Ryan Begley Foley Enright Murphy Griffin Tom Sullivan Mark Ryan Jack Barry Moynihan O’Shea S.O’Brien JOD Geaney K. Spillane
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 16, 2019 22:36:46 GMT
Correct, The fetcher does not have be inside the 21 metre line, the ball just has to travel 20 metres. Its going to mean more high fielders in the half forward line who can kick a free from 45 yards. Lads will be diving full lengths to grab possession before the ball hits the ground...like aussie rules... not a feature i like much
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jan 16, 2019 22:40:37 GMT
Correct, The fetcher does not have be inside the 21 metre line, the ball just has to travel 20 metres. Its going to mean more high fielders in the half forward line who can kick a free from 45 yards. Lads will be diving full lengths to grab possession before the ball hits the ground...like aussie rules... not a feature i like much Still think your reading it incorrectly...mark must be inside 20m line, with the resulting free kick taken from the 20m line.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 16, 2019 22:45:10 GMT
That new Mark idea is the one rule change I don’t like The mark from the kickout beyond the 45 is enough and is as much as I can handle. We are risking becoming like Aussie rules and it’s another stoppage in play no I’m not liking that new mark But I’m glad to see the scourge of the hand pass being curtailed we will look back in years to come and wonder how we ever allowed all that basketball style handpassing its too easy to retain possession with the unlimited hand pass the field is so vast we already have teams now running down the clock with 5 min to go . You know the feeling you get when watching those hand passed goals in Kerry’s Golden years video the over hand pass into the net for a goal you look and say how the F# ! Did we allow that it looks brutal now in hindsight Same way we will look back at our excessive handpassing craze.these past few years . How poor is to watch many players now giving 3 yard hand passes all afternoon might make sense but looks bad and is boring to watch Of course players and managers will cry about it because it takes some of the control away that’s a totally predictable and expected response I would like to see a back field violation whereby once you get the ball across the half way line there is no going backwards over it again Not hard to referee that and not hard to count three hand passes.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jan 16, 2019 22:57:29 GMT
Go to 51:00 for highlights of how a ref can screw up counting to 3...Brannigan from Down (the guy Diarmuid Connolly manhandled a while back). Game is Derry v Tyrone in the Mckenna Cup.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 16, 2019 23:03:18 GMT
Go to 51:00 for highlights of how a ref can screw up counting to 3...Brannigan from Down (the guy Diarmuid Connolly manhandled a while back). Game is Derry v Tyrone in the Mckenna Cup. I understand there will be errors like in all rules how many times in every single game do players take more than 4 steps and pick or don’t pick the ball off the ground ? Mistakes sure but the greater good is what’s important
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 16, 2019 23:08:02 GMT
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jan 16, 2019 23:29:27 GMT
Thanks Mick...forgot about the change/clarification made. “To extend the application of the Mark to clean catching of the ball from a kick in play (ie not from set-play) delivered by the kicker on or beyond the opposing team’s 45-metre line, that travels a minimum of 20 metres and without it touching the ground.”
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 17, 2019 1:44:24 GMT
Thanks Mick...forgot about the change/clarification made. “To extend the application of the Mark to clean catching of the ball from a kick in play (ie not from set-play) delivered by the kicker on or beyond the opposing team’s 45-metre line, that travels a minimum of 20 metres and without it touching the ground.” Get my point confusion reigns here , lets get rid of this one adds another stoppage that we dont need and lower s the excitment instead of increasing it . Could result in a half forward line of giants !
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 17, 2019 8:59:26 GMT
Kerry vs. Tyrone, given the overall strength of division 1, the fixtures and especially the new rules, we can expect this to be a dogfight for the points from the get go. I’m expecting a pretty dour highly defensive game from Tyrone. Defence first is Mickey Harte’s forte and with the new rules he will return to type. Do not expect our young guns to be able to play lovely expressive expansive football in this game. Tyrone falling back on mass and breaking at pace with counter-attacks will be the order of the day. Kerry’s young guns will be mentally tested and physically challenged at a level many will not be too used to before. Character will be forged during this league campaign, some will thrive and some will be found wanting. Our sideline too will be tested and we wouldn’t want it any other way.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 17, 2019 9:20:35 GMT
They are right to look at ways of bringing footpassing and kicking back but refs are bound to make errors if they are expected to watch for two hops, more than 3 handpasses, whether a player is inside him own 45 when kicking a 20 metre footpass, keep track of all the scores, adjudicate whats a black card as opposed to a yellow, keep the time.....
Its a big ask to get all of that correct. I cant think of another sport when a ref has to work so hard to keep count of so many things at the same time
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Post by dc84 on Jan 17, 2019 12:19:22 GMT
Hear Jason Foley out for a few months with ankle ligaments tough blow for the lad and us!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 17, 2019 13:00:30 GMT
Kerry vs. Tyrone, given the overall strength of division 1, the fixtures and especially the new rules, we can expect this to be a dogfight for the points from the get go. I’m expecting a pretty dour highly defensive game from Tyrone. Defence first is Mickey Harte’s forte and with the new rules he will return to type. Do not expect our young guns to be able to play lovely expressive expansive football in this game. Tyrone falling back on mass and breaking at pace with counter-attacks will be the order of the day. Kerry’s young guns will be mentally tested and physically challenged at a level many will not be too used to before. Character will be forged during this league campaign, some will thrive and some will be found wanting. Our sideline too will be tested and we wouldn’t want it any other way. Going to be hard to counter attack with the new rules.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 17, 2019 13:46:14 GMT
Kerry vs. Tyrone, given the overall strength of division 1, the fixtures and especially the new rules, we can expect this to be a dogfight for the points from the get go. I’m expecting a pretty dour highly defensive game from Tyrone. Defence first is Mickey Harte’s forte and with the new rules he will return to type. Do not expect our young guns to be able to play lovely expressive expansive football in this game. Tyrone falling back on mass and breaking at pace with counter-attacks will be the order of the day. Kerry’s young guns will be mentally tested and physically challenged at a level many will not be too used to before. Character will be forged during this league campaign, some will thrive and some will be found wanting. Our sideline too will be tested and we wouldn’t want it any other way. Going to be hard to counter attack with the new rules. That is a good point the likes of tyrone may struggle to get scores having three men running together handpassing will be hard to execute especially with no obvious target man to kick to.
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Post by peanuts on Jan 17, 2019 13:49:49 GMT
Going to be hard to counter attack with the new rules. That is a good point the likes of tyrone may struggle to get scores having three men running together handpassing will be hard to execute especially with no obvious target man to kick to. You don't really need a target man, though do you? You just need to be able to hit a pop pass 20 metres into a someone's chest.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 17, 2019 14:01:51 GMT
That is a good point the likes of tyrone may struggle to get scores having three men running together handpassing will be hard to execute especially with no obvious target man to kick to. You don't really need a target man, though do you? You just need to be able to hit a pop pass 20 metres into a someone's chest. Well it would certainly help! I dont just mean a Donaghyesk player but someone like Andy Moran his movement is class and always seems to be able to get away from his marker. I dont really see anyone similar on the tyrone team they tend to rely on strong running coupled with running off the shoulder or forwards running on a loop, as opposed to kick passes of any description. Also hard to kick it to someone who isnt there! if you play a blanket risky stuff kicking on the run sideways! it will slow there attacks up and maybe force them to actually play a hf line
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 17, 2019 14:40:02 GMT
Yes...the likes of Tyrone will need to leave men in the opponents half as an outlet for a counter attack due to the 3handpass rule. They will adapt.
Closing down those players to prevent them getting possession from the pop pass will be a big deal for opponents.
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Post by peanuts on Jan 18, 2019 23:19:32 GMT
The 40 man panel currently involved is to be listed in the Examiner tomorrow according to Tony Leen on Twitter, includes Tomás O’Sé from an Ghaeltacht who hadn’t really been mentioned. Be interesting to see who else is and isn’t in there.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 18, 2019 23:29:10 GMT
They are right to look at ways of bringing footpassing and kicking back but refs are bound to make errors if they are expected to watch for two hops, more than 3 handpasses, whether a player is inside him own 45 when kicking a 20 metre footpass, keep track of all the scores, adjudicate whats a black card as opposed to a yellow, keep the time..... Its a big ask to get all of that correct. I cant think of another sport when a ref has to work so hard to keep count of so many things at the same time 0 Players sent off in normal time can play in extra-time. 0 yellow cards carry over in extra-time. 1 Hop permitted upon receiving ball in open play. The ball must be soloed before it can be hopped again. 1 yellow and one black card makes ared card. 1 black card following a sin-bin and a yellow card converts to a red card. 1 black card following a sin-bin black card translates to a red card. 1 A fisted point attempt is allowed on the fourth hand-pass. 2 Ticks constitutes a yellow card. 2 Yellow cards equal a red card. 2 A second foul during an advantage period by either team supersedes the first one and results in a free. 3 Consecutive hand-passes is the current limit. 3 Black cards before a team can no longer replace offending players (includes extra-time). 3 Substitutes allowed per team in extra-time. 4 Steps allowed in possession before ball must be hopped or soloed. 4 Steps is the number aplayer who has claimed a kick-out mark can’t be interfered with by an opponent (doesn’t apply to offensive/defensive mark). 5 Second Advantage Rule. 5Substitutes (having returned from six). 5 Seconds aplayer is permitted to kick a kick-out mark. 6 Players per team in their attacking half of field at start of each half.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 6:22:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 6:31:30 GMT
For readers of this forum, there is probably not that much news in it. The biggest one for me is Ronan Shanahan as he has gone from regularly starting and I thought doing well to not even making an extended panel.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 19, 2019 7:18:24 GMT
Potts doesn’t start for Crokes, does he? Lyne and Tomas o se are too bring surprises for me- Conor Geaney also and I thought Shane Enright would’ve gone.
Surprised to see Tony Brosnan not included
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Post by peanuts on Jan 19, 2019 10:53:37 GMT
For readers of this forum, there is probably not that much news in it. The biggest one for me is Ronan Shanahan as he has gone from regularly starting and I thought doing well to not even making an extended panel. Shanahan’s omission has been well documented here but the likes of Wharton, O’Se and Potts didn’t get much if any mention on here. Not saying they don’t deserve their places. Brosnan not in there is a big surprise.
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Post by homerj on Jan 19, 2019 11:51:43 GMT
A few surprises for sure tho it is supposed to be a 40 man panel.
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