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Post by taggert on Jan 8, 2019 15:21:51 GMT
The league has become a really good and accurate barometer of where things will be at at the business end of the season. The days of players putting on a stone or 2 over the winter and shedding it over the course of the league are long gone. Recall the anaemic and inept Kerry display against Galway in the league last year only for us to repeat the dose in the Super 8's. There was no discernible c'ship bounce by Kerry. The days of monumental transformation between March and July are no more. Last year, teams like Galway and Monaghan used the league to hone and fine tune their style and structure and deviated very little from this come summer - be it in either personnel or performance. Its also no coincidence that the Dubs have recently used success in Div 1 of the league as a real launchpad to c'ship success. Division 1 football is where its at now, there us no hiding place, its where tge best players are competing and while it pales in significance to the c'ship, it is a form of super 8 in itsel, proving yo be an infinitely better product than the c'ship over the last few years....
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Post by dc84 on Jan 8, 2019 16:34:02 GMT
100pc agree with above post i think the team from last year isnt too far off what we will see this year if the younger lads Progress which you would expect then we have the nucleus of a good team in particular Foley, whyte, o sullivan in backs and o shea and clifford in forwards.
Thats one fifth of a team there, Everyone now has to earn there place again be they young or old(ish). I wouldnt believe in putting in a fella because he is 20 for the sake of it. Anyway in Peter Keane i trust to make the right calls.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 8, 2019 16:54:19 GMT
The league has become a really good and accurate barometer of where things will be at at the business end of the season. The days of players putting on a stone or 2 over the winter and shedding it over the course of the league are long gone. Recall the anaemic and inept Kerry display against Galway in the league last year only for us to repeat the dose in the Super 8's. There was no discernible c'ship bounce by Kerry. The days of monumental transformation between March and July are no more. Last year, teams like Galway and Monaghan used the league to hone and fine tune their style and structure and deviated very little from this come summer - be it in either personnel or performance. Its also no coincidence that the Dubs have recently used success in Div 1 of the league as a real launchpad to c'ship success. Division 1 football is where its at now, there us no hiding place, its where tge best players are competing and while it pales in significance to the c'ship, it is a form of super 8 in itsel, proving yo be an infinitely better product than the c'ship over the last few years.... Excellent post! Couldn't put it any better.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 8, 2019 16:59:45 GMT
Can't see how you rate the league as the best competition - the Championship is the competition to win and always has been. GAA themselves have shown the league is secondary by the use of the competition to experiment with the rules. Where else but the league can PK try things out and see if players can step up to the inter county scene - we have berrated managers in the past for not experimenting and going with the same old faces. We are on a steep learning curve and if needed the league can and should be secondary in developing our squad for the championship. I don't want to be in Division 2 but I would prefer to find out about players before the summer - hopefully we can blood and test players and maintain D1. Im not saying its the most important obviously its not but it is the most competitive and entertaining. The championship has been poor hence the introduction of the super 8s. Ive no problem with experimentation but the league is important its the spring board for the Summer ahead. One could argue the league is and will be far more important and beneficial to Kerry come the All Ireland series at this stage than the farcical Munster football Championship.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 8, 2019 18:20:16 GMT
re the Tommy Walsh discussion.. It seems to me that the 3 handpass rule will leave teams no option but to use a big man at 11 and 14. A high fetcher like TW who can lay it off will be part of the plan i would say to penetrate defenses.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 8, 2019 21:06:12 GMT
The NFL is now a better competition than the provincial championships.
I think PK is only trying to deflect attention away for Kerry's early NFL games which is understandable with a new team in the making.
If TW became a cutting edge no 15 again I'd be delighted........!
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 8, 2019 23:02:53 GMT
The NFL is now a better competition than the provincial championships. I think PK is only trying to deflect attention away for Kerry's early NFL games which is understandable with a new team in the making. If TW became a cutting edge no 15 again I'd be delighted........! If TW is the type of player we need then don’t be surprised if KD is asked to reconsider especially if these new rules stick We could be looking at Twin Towers (The Sequei) 10 years on !! Because if you like what TW brings then you have to love what KD brings. Three short passes. Then forced to kick long or high and a score from every offensive mark let’s see what happens
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 8, 2019 23:23:39 GMT
The NFL is now a better competition than the provincial championships. I think PK is only trying to deflect attention away for Kerry's early NFL games which is understandable with a new team in the making. If TW became a cutting edge no 15 again I'd be delighted........! If TW is the type of player we need then don’t be surprised if KD is asked to reconsider especially if these new rules stick We could be looking at Twin Towers (The Sequei) 10 years on !! Because if you like what TW brings then you have to love what KD brings. Three short passes. Then forced to kick long or high and a score from every offensive mark let’s see what happens I was thinking more of his sublime point kicking off both feet in the 2009 final.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 9, 2019 1:05:32 GMT
I am getting concerned now.
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Post by homerj on Jan 9, 2019 9:54:39 GMT
do we know if theres any new members of the last few minor teams involved apart from the likes of Foley, clifford, burns, o se etc?
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 9, 2019 10:27:15 GMT
Our team for the opening win against Donegal last January - several gone obviously and not sure how many of the lads mentioned in posts from November are still in the training panels at this stage.
Kerry: Shane Murphy, Cormac Coffey, Jason Foley, Shane Enright, Paul Murphy, Gavin Crowley (0-01), Ronan Shanahan (0-01), Barry O'Sullivan, Brendan O’Sullivan, Micheál Burns (0-01), Seán O'Shea (0-07, 0-04f), Stephen O’Brien (1-01), David Clifford (0-01f), Paul Geaney (1-02, 0-01 pen), Barry John Keane (0-02).
Subs: James O’Donoghue for BJ Keane (49), Jack Savage for D Clifford (49), Daithi Casey (0-01) for Barry O'Sullivan (55), Killian Spillane (0-01) for J O'Donoghue (inj, 55), Matthew Flaherty for C Coffey (60), Brian Ó Seanacháin for M Burns (69)
Crokes lost the Munster final so were not involved in the Club Championship this time last year - not clear what situation will be this year.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 9, 2019 11:50:19 GMT
do we know if theres any new members of the last few minor teams involved apart from the likes of Foley, clifford, burns, o se etc? Dara Moynihan and Diarmuid O Connor are - I'm not sure if there are any other new players from the last 2/3 years minor teams.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 9, 2019 17:28:29 GMT
do we know if theres any new members of the last few minor teams involved apart from the likes of Foley, clifford, burns, o se etc? Dara Moynihan and Diarmuid O Connor are - I'm not sure if there are any other new players from the last 2/3 years minor teams. Mark Ryan, David Shaw, Mikey Potts, Cian Gammell, Graham O’Sullivan.
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Post by greenmen55 on Jan 9, 2019 21:19:34 GMT
Anyone want to hazard a guess at the starting 15 for this game or put together a team they would put out in the opening game?? It is fairly hard to predict anything not really knowing who is and isn’t inside there at this stage... but anyone want to put something together?
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 10, 2019 10:35:04 GMT
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Post by kerryman72 on Jan 11, 2019 20:08:24 GMT
What would ye like the team to be against Tyrone I’ll have a go at naming a likely team 1.Shane Ryan 2.Jason Foley 3.Tadhg Morley 4.Tom O Sullivan 5.Paul Murphy 6.Gavin Crowley 7.Mark Griffin 8.Diarmuid O Connor 9.Roibeard O Sé 10.Gavin O Brien 11.Seanie O Shea 12.Dara Moynihan 13.David Clifford 14.Paul Geaney 15.James O Donoghue
16.Brian Kelly 17.Peter Crowley 18.Brian O Beaglaoich 19.Graham O Sullivan 20.Tommy Walsh 21.Paudie Clifford 22.Johnathan Lyne 23.Jack Sherwood 24.killian Spillane 25.Shane Enright 26.Conor Keane
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 11, 2019 20:33:18 GMT
What would ye like the team to be against Tyrone I’ll have a go at naming a likely team 1.Shane Ryan 2.Jason Foley 3.Tadhg Morley 4.Tom O Sullivan 5.Paul Murphy 6.Gavin Crowley 7.Mark Griffin 8.Diarmuid O Connor 9.Roibeard O Sé 10.Gavin O Brien 11.Seanie O Shea 12.Dara Moynihan 13.David Clifford 14.Paul Geaney 15.James O Donoghue 16.Brian Kelly 17.Peter Crowley 18.Brian O Beaglaoich 19.Graham O Sullivan 20.Tommy Walsh 21.Paudie Clifford 22.Johnathan Lyne 23.Jack Sherwood 24.killian Spillane 25.Shane Enright 26.Conor Keane I presume we are working off the assumption that crokes lads are unavailable
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Post by Corner Back on Jan 12, 2019 9:38:07 GMT
To the best of my knowledge Rob O'Se and Paudie Clifford are not on the panel.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 12, 2019 21:52:09 GMT
To the best of my knowledge Rob O'Se and Paudie Clifford are not on the panel. Yes I don't think either are on the panel. I rate Rob O'Se very highly and am pretty disappointed he is not on the panel. He is a very good fielder, he's mobile and has good kicking skills. But if he isn't on the panel, what midfielders are?
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 12, 2019 22:16:03 GMT
What would ye like the team to be against Tyrone I’ll have a go at naming a likely team 1.Shane Ryan 2.Jason Foley 3.Tadhg Morley 4.Tom O Sullivan 5.Paul Murphy 6.Gavin Crowley 7.Mark Griffin 8.Diarmuid O Connor 9.Roibeard O Sé 10.Gavin O Brien 11.Seanie O Shea 12.Dara Moynihan 13.David Clifford 14.Paul Geaney 15.James O Donoghue 16.Brian Kelly 17.Peter Crowley 18.Brian O Beaglaoich 19.Graham O Sullivan 20.Tommy Walsh 21.Paudie Clifford 22.Johnathan Lyne 23.Jack Sherwood 24.killian Spillane 25.Shane Enright 26.Conor Keane I presume we are working off the assumption that crokes lads are unavailable Rob O’Sé, Paudie Clifford & Conor Keane not presently involved - assume Steven O’Brien will get s starting berth! Jason Foley I believe picked up an injury during the week and is considered doubtful.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 13, 2019 9:35:38 GMT
Did anyone go to the Kerry v IT tralee game yesterday? Did anyone stand out there? What kind of team did we field?
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Post by homerj on Jan 13, 2019 10:24:56 GMT
Why did we not enter mcgrath cup?
Youd imagine some challenge games being played tho as referred to in last post re Tralee IT game..interested in hearing about that also.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jan 13, 2019 19:58:51 GMT
Really excited for the league to start now. Game is fixed for Killarney at 2 on the Sunday. Will the Crokes lads play? When is their semi final? I would love to see Shane Ryan in goals though. I think he is our best option there. PK's first team sheet will be very interesting. I wonder will Tyrone be a bit sharper than us considering they'll have a couple of games played? A Sunday in Killarney is always a worthwhile day out. Much prefer it to Saturday night games in Tralee at this time of the year. No atmosphere in Killarney for league games. They should all be in tralee
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 14, 2019 0:12:27 GMT
Probable team to play Tyrone not sure but let’s hope it s got a few new ideas either positional or new personell Really looking forward to seeing Shane Ryan in goals and a new more attack minded midfield some midfield that can really put the opposition mid field on the back foot from the very start let’s force the opposite 8 and 9 to defend by getting our 8 and 9 at least on occasion to get in among the scorers driving through the middle . And not raising the white flag before a ball has been kicked. Was it 2017 when our U21 s got turned over by Galway I remember that game and Rob o Shea coming in and making a huge difference is that the same guys that above posters are mentioning Flaherty was absolutely brilliant that day too if he has filled out and strengthened up could be interesting but for me Tom o Sullivan has the X factor he’s a freak in a good sense but we have to give him rope .
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jan 14, 2019 1:25:19 GMT
Tyrone will have had 5 competitive games in the McKenna Cup since mid-December by the time they come to Killarney. Kerry will have none.
Advantage Tyrone.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jan 14, 2019 20:20:56 GMT
Tyrone will have had 5 competitive games in the McKenna Cup since mid-December by the time they come to Killarney. Kerry will have none. Advantage Tyrone. Hoping the a vs b games in Kerry camp will be more competitive than McKenna cup games
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Post by homerj on Jan 14, 2019 23:05:38 GMT
Tyrone will have had 5 competitive games in the McKenna Cup since mid-December by the time they come to Killarney. Kerry will have none. Advantage Tyrone. Hoping the a vs b games in Kerry camp will be more competitive than McKenna cup games Would we really have 30+ players in at moment considering that 5 or 6 are clue tied, another few injured plus more bot yet back, married, work, college etc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 12:38:23 GMT
I'll have a go at a team from limited info out there so far about the squad in training.
1.Shane Ryan 2.Jason Foley 3.Tadhg Morley 4.Shane Enright 5.Peter Crowley / Gavin White when avail (Capt) 6.Jack Sherwood 7.Tom O Sullivan 8.Gavin Crowley / David Moran when avail 9.Sean O Shea 10.Stephen O Brien 11.David Clifford 12.Paul Murphy (Capt for league) 13.Paul Geaney 14.Tommy Walsh 15.James O Donoghue
16.Brian Kelly / Shane Murphy when avail 17.Brian O Beaglaoich 18.Graham O Sullivan 19.Diarmuid O Connor 20.Gavin O Brien 21.Dara Moynihan 22.Tony Brosnan when avail 23.Michael Burns when avail
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Post by buck02 on Jan 15, 2019 15:46:21 GMT
I think this could be a very tough league campaign.
Thinking back to Eamonn Fitz's first campaign in charge and with players missing, new players being blooded, new ideas and training methods being used. There are big similarities. After the hammering from Dublin and then failing to score in the 2nd half up in Castlebar things looked fairly bleak.
The home games to Tyrone and Dublin are going to be very difficult and I'm sure Cavan will fancy their chances against us up there. So patience may well be required.
The confusion around the new rules could however strangely help us.
There was a bumper crowd in Killarney for the first league game last year to see all the new players and hopefully there will be a similar crowd there at the end of the month to support Peter and this new team.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 15, 2019 20:13:22 GMT
Im fairly confident we will have a decent league we probably wont have as many debutants as last year you would imagine. Midfield is the big worry really having morley back is a massive plus in my eyes, and anytime ive seen his clubmate Crowley ive liked the cut of his jib bit of steel to the man. If those two perform as i hope they will our defence has a decent shape to it.
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