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Post by richard00 on Aug 7, 2018 17:00:28 GMT
I see where jack o Connor is walking the poll in the 42 online website he is followed by Liam Kearns with nearly a thousand votes in the difference But sure who is voting in that? A lot of votes gone in
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 17:07:48 GMT
But sure who is voting in that? A lot of votes gone in Yeah from every Tom, Dick, and Harry around the country. Not county; country. In my opinion Jack O'C is the Day Before Yesterday's Man.
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Post by MeathExile on Aug 7, 2018 19:33:39 GMT
Forgotten man on here is Stephen Stack......did a good job with Stacks. He went through a lot of lean years with the county and knows what it takes to get there.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2018 19:36:58 GMT
Forgotten man on here is Stephen Stack......did a good job with Stacks. He went through a lot of lean years with the county and knows what it takes to get there. Agreed, Moving towards, Pat O'Shea, Donie Buckley & Stephen Stack on the same ticket might be going in the right direction.
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Post by MeathExile on Aug 7, 2018 19:44:49 GMT
Donie Buckley is a must have on the new team IMO. He has been at the coalface with Mayo and is one guy who could definitely get us tackling properly and organised at the back.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2018 19:49:40 GMT
Donie Buckley is a must have on the new team IMO. He has been at the coalface with Mayo and is one guy who could definitely get us tackling properly and organised at the back. If you matted Mayo's game from 1-9 to Kerry's attacking options you might have a serious team. Goal keeping & midfield are the main conundrums at the moment going into 2019.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2018 19:50:45 GMT
In fact, David Clifford would have got Mayo over the line in 2016 & 2017 against Dublin.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 20:32:20 GMT
Donie Buckley seems to be part of most people's management team. To what extent should the country board make the managers role conditional on donie being part of the background team. How much value do people donie? Would people accept a John Evans type to get donie Buckley?
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Post by derry4sam on Aug 7, 2018 20:38:28 GMT
I wouldn't find myself agreeing with what Pat Spillane says too often but I thought he completely hit the nail on the head on the Sunday Game re Fitzmaurice and his tenure. I think it was a fair and honest assessment of where we're at.
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Post by derry4sam on Aug 7, 2018 20:50:05 GMT
Donie Buckley seems to be part of most people's management team. To what extent should the country board make the managers role conditional on donie being part of the background team. How much value do people donie? Would people accept a John Evans type to get donie Buckley? What exactly happened with Donie leaving the first time around? I seem to remember rumours of a falling out with Jack O'Connor at the time. Can anyone add to this? Or did he simply leave upon that management team breaking up? This is a piece taken from an article before Limerick quarter final in 2011 on Buckley's influence within the setup.. Quote from D Walsh... "I think Donie's arrival might well give us an edge because he's improving our tackling. This is something that goes uncoached an awful lot of the time but Donie has brought it back to the basics -- how you tackle, how you position your legs and hands, which hand do you go in with. "We've actually learned so much from Donie that you really enjoy coming to training, enjoy doing his drills as we try and perfect what he's teaching us. The drills change every night so it's nice and fresh. We're all improving and we're all enjoying our football. The year up to now has absolutely flown."
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 7, 2018 20:50:48 GMT
Donie Buckley seems to be part of most people's management team. To what extent should the country board make the managers role conditional on donie being part of the background team. How much value do people donie? Would people accept a John Evans type to get donie Buckley? John Evans isn’t anywhere near the standard needed. 50 Kerrymen could get jobs with lesser county teams like Wicklow or Ofally as was Wallace’s case. Everyone assumes Donnie Buckley is just waiting by the phone to accept an invitation. That man was effectively pushed out the door by Jack Connor. He might have no interest whatsoever in coming back into the fold
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Post by derry4sam on Aug 7, 2018 20:56:59 GMT
"From Limerick Buckley moved onto his native Kerry in late 2010 when the players took to him as warmly as they had in Limerick and Clare, except he was reduced to a smaller role working with another coach in Jack O’Connor.
A knee operation prevented him from travelling to Kerry from his Ennis base in early 2012 and he eventually packed it in.
Eamonn Fitzmaurice would have happily recruited Buckley this season but was of the view he needed to give his management team a new dimension."
An answer to my above question. Perhaps a diluted one.
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Post by derry4sam on Aug 7, 2018 20:59:59 GMT
Donie Buckley seems to be part of most people's management team. To what extent should the country board make the managers role conditional on donie being part of the background team. How much value do people donie? Would people accept a John Evans type to get donie Buckley? John Evans isn’t anywhere near the standard needed. 50 Kerrymen could get jobs with lesser county teams like Wicklow or Ofally as was Wallace’s case. Everyone assumes Donnie Buckley is just waiting by the phone to accept an invitation. That man was effectively pushed out the door by Jack Connor. He might have no interest whatsoever in coming back into the fold Agree with this re the assumption by some here but surely Kerry would be a very attractive proposition for him but you'd just wonder were bridges burned. People want Jack O'Connor back on here then... Amazing
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Post by southward on Aug 7, 2018 21:04:55 GMT
The dreaded poll again. With all the stuff about criticism/abuse doing the rounds, is this really a good idea right now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:10:00 GMT
Jacks reign in 2012 ended in a bit of a mess. Hammered by Cork, beaten by Donegal and got out of jail against a very average Westmeath side. The team was aging and there was little young talent coming through. Add in potential all Ireland's thrown away in 2010 and 2011. I just don't see Jack as a credible contender despite his minor success.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 7, 2018 21:10:40 GMT
The dreaded poll again. With all the stuff about criticism/abuse doing the rounds, is this really a good idea right now? What?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:11:53 GMT
The dreaded poll again. With all the stuff about criticism/abuse doing the rounds, is this really a good idea right now? It is only a poll!
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Post by Control3 on Aug 7, 2018 21:18:06 GMT
The dreaded poll again. With all the stuff about criticism/abuse doing the rounds, is this really a good idea right now? How is a poll to incite abuse? If does I'll take it down
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Post by southward on Aug 7, 2018 21:18:12 GMT
The dreaded poll again. With all the stuff about criticism/abuse doing the rounds, is this really a good idea right now? What? What I mean is, could us "voting" for a particular candidate be construed as negativity towards someone else who might end up with the gig. I know this might sound stupid but in the current climate... Perhaps if the heading were changed to "who do you think will be the next Kerry manager"?
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Post by richard00 on Aug 7, 2018 21:19:15 GMT
The more I think of it Liam Kearns has to be a real honest contender for the job, he has no allegiance to anyone on this team and would be like an outsider with a completely fresh start which is surely what this team needs. A lot of this team has played for jack o Connor and I think we would be going backwards whereas Kearns has never dealt with any of them
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Post by piggott on Aug 7, 2018 21:20:03 GMT
In fact, David Clifford would have got Mayo over the line in 2016 & 2017 against Dublin. And Keith Higgins, Colm Boyle, Lee Keegan and Chris Barrett would have got us over the line against Galway and Monaghan.
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Post by southward on Aug 7, 2018 21:23:06 GMT
The dreaded poll again. With all the stuff about criticism/abuse doing the rounds, is this really a good idea right now? How is a poll to see who people want to see as next manager conducive to abuse? It's not, I'm talking about the optics at the moment. Maybe I'm overthinking it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:23:54 GMT
What I mean is, could us "voting" for a particular candidate be construed as negativity towards someone else who might end up with the gig. I know this might sound stupid but in the current climate... Perhaps if the heading were changed to "who do you think will be the next Kerry manager"? We will be fine! I would be ok with 3 or 4 of the list. Once the KCB see the results anyway, they will have to abide by our wishes or else us keyboard warriors will make life hell for the next guy!
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 7, 2018 21:26:27 GMT
What I mean is, could us "voting" for a particular candidate be construed as negativity towards someone else who might end up with the gig. I know this might sound stupid but in the current climate... Perhaps if the heading were changed to "who do you think will be the next Kerry manager"? In everyday life we show preferences for certain things over others. It is not showing negativity to the losing option. If we want to know who is most likely to be the next Kerry manager we can just check the betting odds! While who would you prefer would show us the general consensus as to who people in the county would like to be appointed.
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Post by southward on Aug 7, 2018 21:33:20 GMT
What I mean is, could us "voting" for a particular candidate be construed as negativity towards someone else who might end up with the gig. I know this might sound stupid but in the current climate... Perhaps if the heading were changed to "who do you think will be the next Kerry manager"? In everyday life we show preferences for certain things over others. It is not showing negativity to the losing option. If we want to know who is most likely to be the next Kerry manager we can just check the betting odds! While who would you prefer would show us the general consensus as to who people in the county would like to be appointed. OK, I surrender! It was just a thought.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 7, 2018 21:37:01 GMT
Lads I have come to the conclusion that I want Seamus Moynihan as manager. The more I think about it the more sense it makes to me. People will point to his lack of experience but I only see that as an advantage. He comes with zero baggage, is a very likeable man but also very low key which will help protect our young lads from hype. He also would be greatly respected by the players. What marks him out from the likes of Maurice Fitzgerald is I think he is a firm figure and would not be afraid to make the hard decisions.
But the crucial factor of getting Moynihan in would be who he has around him. A manager doesn't have to be a master of all trades, but just link all the tools around him. I would have Donie Buckley as trainer and bring in other specialists in particular areas also.
In my opinion we need someone completely new to any kind of inter county management (including selectors). It would be a clean slate for this Kerry side. Moynihan would bring in all the tools around him and glue them together.
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Post by derry4sam on Aug 7, 2018 21:51:19 GMT
Absolutely no need for the Chairman to be on the sideline. Zero.
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Post by john4 on Aug 7, 2018 21:57:10 GMT
My pitch for Liam Kearns;
Liam Kearns coached Na Piarsaigh to the Limerick U21 Football Championship in 1997, the club's only U21 football county title, a team that contained Declan Lynch (Head of Sports Medicine Bath Rugby), Mike Prendergast (Assistant Coach to Grenoble), Ian Costello (Former Backs Coach to Munster) and captained by Comdt Joe Mullins.
Kearns is highly regarded as a manager and coach and during his spell with Limerick he turned them into the second team in Munster as they outshone Cork.
He managed the Limerick under 21 side to successive Munster titles and to an All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship final appearance. In 2003 he led Limerick to a Division 2 National Football League final where they were beaten by Westmeath on the same day that Laois lost to Tyrone in the Division 1 decider.
The following year he was in charge when Limerick beat Laois in a Division 1 National Football League tie at the Gaelic Grounds and that year Limerick reached the Munster Senior Football Championship final which they lost on a replay to Kerry.
In 2010 he led Aherlow to the Tipperary Senior Football Championship.
In November 2015, Kearns was named as the new manager of the Tipperary senior football team.[1][2][3] In June 2016, Tipperary reached the Munster final after a 3-15 to 2-16 win against Cork. They went on to defeat Derry by 1-21 to 2-17 in round 3A of the qualifiers to reach the All Ireland Quarter-finals for the first time.[4] On 31 July 2016, Tipperary defeated Galway in the 2016 All-Ireland Quarter-finals at Croke Park to reach their first All-Ireland semi-final since 1935.[5][6][7] On 21 August 2016, Tipperary were beaten in the semi-final by Mayo on a 2-13 to 0-14 scoreline.[8][9][10]
On 8 April 2017, Tipperary won the Division 3 final of the 2017 National Football League after a 3-19 to 0-19 win against Louth in Croke Park.[11]
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 22:01:30 GMT
My pitch for Liam Kearns; Liam Kearns coached Na Piarsaigh to the Limerick U21 Football Championship in 1997, the club's only U21 football county title, a team that contained Declan Lynch (Head of Sports Medicine Bath Rugby), Mike Prendergast (Assistant Coach to Grenoble), Ian Costello (Former Backs Coach to Munster) and captained by Comdt Joe Mullins. Kearns is highly regarded as a manager and coach and during his spell with Limerick he turned them into the second team in Munster as they outshone Cork. He managed the Limerick under 21 side to successive Munster titles and to an All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship final appearance. In 2003 he led Limerick to a Division 2 National Football League final where they were beaten by Westmeath on the same day that Laois lost to Tyrone in the Division 1 decider. The following year he was in charge when Limerick beat Laois in a Division 1 National Football League tie at the Gaelic Grounds and that year Limerick reached the Munster Senior Football Championship final which they lost on a replay to Kerry. In 2010 he led Aherlow to the Tipperary Senior Football Championship. In November 2015, Kearns was named as the new manager of the Tipperary senior football team.[1][2][3] In June 2016, Tipperary reached the Munster final after a 3-15 to 2-16 win against Cork. They went on to defeat Derry by 1-21 to 2-17 in round 3A of the qualifiers to reach the All Ireland Quarter-finals for the first time.[4] On 31 July 2016, Tipperary defeated Galway in the 2016 All-Ireland Quarter-finals at Croke Park to reach their first All-Ireland semi-final since 1935.[5][6][7] On 21 August 2016, Tipperary were beaten in the semi-final by Mayo on a 2-13 to 0-14 scoreline.[8][9][10] On 8 April 2017, Tipperary won the Division 3 final of the 2017 National Football League after a 3-19 to 0-19 win against Louth in Croke Park.[11] So one good year since 2010.
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Post by john4 on Aug 7, 2018 22:05:04 GMT
Which year do you consider the good one
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