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Post by kerryfanatic on Aug 6, 2018 22:54:11 GMT
I must say I think Jack o Connor would be a good choice given all his experience and proven track record!
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Post by statistician on Aug 6, 2018 22:54:55 GMT
Jack O’Connor was the 7/4 favourite with Paddy Power this evening but then piles of cash came pouring in on Diarmuid Murphy who was 7/1 but is now the 7/4 favourite with Jack O’Connot at 11/4 and Peter Keane at 3/1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 22:59:26 GMT
The money for diarmuid Murphy is based on the tony leen article I assume
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2018 23:23:54 GMT
In his final post-game press conference, Fitzmaurice said he hoped his departure would remove some of the negativity surrounding the team, particularly that directed towards the younger players.
That article contains the above bit highlighted. I presume it is an error as i for one do not believe that the younger players were subjected to much criticism. Quite the opposite in fact. I don't believe the players were subject to that much criticism on this forum. Most of the negative posts were in bewilderment about decisions regarding team selection, substitutions and tactical approach. I find the reference to negativity towards young players surreal to be honest. As i said maybe the article is erroneous. I hope so. I am not on twitter or any other social media yoke. Maybe young players were subjected to negativity on these. Perhaps those on twitter could confirm.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Aug 6, 2018 23:34:37 GMT
Is the S&C programme run by the County Board independent of the manager, selectors and coaches? If not, it should be. Does the manager have sole discretion on his selectors and coaches? I am not sure I agree. If management want bigger players for their plan, or more agile players, or more aerobically strong players, it should be their prerogative to build towards that. I understand you worry about two years of bad practise harming Kerry for two more...perhaps the county board could appoint an expert consultant? The senior manager will hardly influence the S&C of lads coming out of minor - this is where the real foundations are laid. From ages 18 to 21, a rigorous S&C programme to have those successful at 21 to take the load of what it takes to be a modern inter-county footballer at the highest level. I'm sure such a programme would be almost off the shelf by now among the experts and would require local implementation. Clubs may have a few keen to participate as well, maybe off-season S&C management could be a district/town/regional item, like the GDO's?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 6, 2018 23:40:01 GMT
In his final post-game press conference, Fitzmaurice said he hoped his departure would remove some of the negativity surrounding the team, particularly that directed towards the younger players.
That article contains the above bit highlighted. I presume it is an error as i for one do not believe that the younger players were subjected to much criticism. Quite the opposite in fact. I don't believe the players were subject to that much criticism on this forum. Most of the negative posts were in bewilderment about decisions regarding team selection, substitutions and tactical approach. I find the reference to negativity towards young players surreal to be honest. As i said maybe the article is erroneous. I hope so. I am not on twitter or any other social media yoke. Maybe young players were subjected to negativity on these. Perhaps those on twitter could confirm. That reference to criticism isn't a direct quote. I invite you to listen to the SKY interview.
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Post by Fado on Aug 6, 2018 23:56:51 GMT
With the modern game, continuous change is the norm. To have have a realistic plan for the future, we need a progressive management team. I really hope that the board will take a positive step with the new appointment, but the signs are not encouraging so far.
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Post by fivenarow on Aug 7, 2018 9:45:49 GMT
Control, could we set up a poll asking who people would like to see as the next Kerry Senior Football Manager? I guess the options would be the most mentioned names, Liam Kearns, Peter Keane, Jack O'Connor, Pat O'Shea and an option of none of the above. It'd be nice to see who people want to see if they all are available. . I think John Sugrue , Stephen Wallace and John Evans should be in the poll as they are inter county managers. If Wallace,Evans or Horgan mentioned in another post were ever involved in the Kerry setup I’d have a self imposed exile from kerry games while they’re there & that allegiance has been in existence since the 70s. The only current inter county manager in the you mentioned is John Sugrue & in fairness he’s head & shoulders ahead of the other two.
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Post by backothehill on Aug 7, 2018 10:20:58 GMT
Who has Liam Kearns has as his backroom team? Has he worked with Donie Buckley? Kearns is an outstanding candidate in my view.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 7, 2018 11:43:35 GMT
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Post by derry4sam on Aug 7, 2018 11:47:09 GMT
I would find it particularly disheartening to see Jack O'Connor back in charge.
I imagine Peter Keane will be offered the position. Hopefully they can look to getting Donie Buckley back in the fold in some capacity but would he even be interested?
James Foley & Tommy Griffin would likely join Keane in this management team.
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Post by taibhse on Aug 7, 2018 13:33:50 GMT
Whoever is appointed, the County Board need to get rid of this culture where the primacy of the Bainisteoir has expanded to levels that impact negatively on clubs and club competition. We are almost at a stage whereby a club that produces players good enough to play for Kerry is in fact disadvantaged.
Open the gates occasionally. Not once this year were supporters allowed a peep into the tin rather than accepting what it says on it. For heavens' sake we are talking about OUR Kerry team here and not being mindless customers of some control freak, or a little Caesar who runs the show. How could you possibly object to that?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 13:39:46 GMT
Whoever is appointed, the County Board need to get rid of this culture where the primacy of the Bainisteoir has expanded to levels that impact negatively on clubs and club competition. We are almost at a stage whereby a club that produces players good enough to play for Kerry is in fact disadvantaged. Open the gates occasionally. Not once this year were supporters allowed a peep into the tin rather than accepting what it says on it. For heavens' sake we are talking about OUR Kerry team here and not being mindless customers of some control freak, or a little Caesar who runs the show. How could you possibly object to that? It's not YOUR Kerry team. You are not owed the unique right to see the team train. Seriously not one other county has open training sessions in the way some people in Kerry demand it.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 7, 2018 13:53:23 GMT
Lads last night on terrace talk they said a year or 2 ago a young Spillane was the best player in the championship. They then said he was given a game or 2 in the league but got no game time after that. Were they referencing Killian or Adrian?
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 7, 2018 14:02:32 GMT
Lads last night on terrace talk they said a year or 2 ago a young Spillane was the best player in the championship. They then said he was given a game or 2 in the league but got no game time after that. Were they referencing Killian or Adrian? Killian I would say.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 7, 2018 14:11:25 GMT
No matter who the new manager is they have to get the defense right. Whether that is some sort of defensive system or getting the players to tackle right and be able to deal with 1 v 1 in a capable manner is up to them.
To bastardise a couple of rugby sayings.
Backs win games, forwards decide by how much You need to earn the right to attack
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Post by fivenarow on Aug 7, 2018 14:28:53 GMT
Lads last night on terrace talk they said a year or 2 ago a young Spillane was the best player in the championship. They then said he was given a game or 2 in the league but got no game time after that. Were they referencing Killian or Adrian? Killian I would say. I’d say Adrian, he was the outstanding midfielder in the championship a few years ago & got a few runs in the league the year after , he seems to have disappeared into a dark hole where kerry are concerned. Maybe the new management tram will have another look.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 7, 2018 14:32:13 GMT
I’d say Adrian, he was the outstanding midfielder in the championship a few years ago & got a few runs in the league the year after , he seems to have disappeared into a dark hole where kerry are concerned. Maybe the new management tram will have another look. Actually you're probably right, I had the minor All-Ireland Championship in my head for some reason! To be fair Adrian was poor last year in the League when he got a few chances.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 7, 2018 14:35:59 GMT
I’d say Adrian, he was the outstanding midfielder in the championship a few years ago & got a few runs in the league the year after , he seems to have disappeared into a dark hole where kerry are concerned. Maybe the new management tram will have another look. Whenever he played for Kerry it was as a wing forward. I always thought he looked uncomfortable in that position. Considering we are not very strong at midfield he should be given an extended run in midfield in the league next year.
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Post by taibhse on Aug 7, 2018 15:30:51 GMT
Whoever is appointed, the County Board need to get rid of this culture where the primacy of the Bainisteoir has expanded to levels that impact negatively on clubs and club competition. We are almost at a stage whereby a club that produces players good enough to play for Kerry is in fact disadvantaged. Open the gates occasionally. Not once this year were supporters allowed a peep into the tin rather than accepting what it says on it. For heavens' sake we are talking about OUR Kerry team here and not being mindless customers of some control freak, or a little Caesar who runs the show. How could you possibly object to that? It's not YOUR Kerry team. You are not owed the unique right to see the team train. Seriously not one other county has open training sessions in the way some people in Kerry demand it. Where did I say it was My team? Or where did I suggest Open training sessions? I do consider that it is the team of the collective people of Kerry. I do recall Eamon promising that there would such open training sessions this year - never happened.
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Post by richard00 on Aug 7, 2018 15:36:55 GMT
I see where jack o Connor is walking the poll in the 42 online website he is followed by Liam Kearns with nearly a thousand votes in the difference
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 15:46:06 GMT
It's not YOUR Kerry team. You are not owed the unique right to see the team train. Seriously not one other county has open training sessions in the way some people in Kerry demand it. Where did I say it was My team? Or where did I suggest Open training sessions? I do consider that it is the team of the collective people of Kerry. I do recall Eamon promising that there would such open training sessions this year - never happened. When you said it was "OUR team". There would probably have been one open session if Kerry made it to the final.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 15:46:28 GMT
I see where jack o Connor is walking the poll in the 42 online website he is followed by Liam Kearns with nearly a thousand votes in the difference But sure who is voting in that?
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 7, 2018 15:48:19 GMT
I’d say Adrian, he was the outstanding midfielder in the championship a few years ago & got a few runs in the league the year after , he seems to have disappeared into a dark hole where kerry are concerned. Maybe the new management tram will have another look. Adrian was part of the squad that travelled to Inniskeen vs Monaghan this year in the league.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 7, 2018 15:54:19 GMT
It's not YOUR Kerry team. You are not owed the unique right to see the team train. Seriously not one other county has open training sessions in the way some people in Kerry demand it. Where did I say it was My team? Or where did I suggest Open training sessions? I do consider that it is the team of the collective people of Kerry. I do recall Eamon promising that there would such open training sessions this year - never happened. I think in fairness having the odd open day or something would go along way towards healing the bond between supporters and players. Even if twas only to see an hour of ball skills and backs and forwards. The serious stuff can be done behind closed doors. Even have one open day before the Munster final and the league or some such. At the moment unless we make the All Ireland the only open day you get is the Night at the dogs with some players which is really a shakedown for funding. I have no problem with that but, I think the connection with the Kerry public has gone a bit. That's no ones fault really I suppose it's just times are changing. Its just something to be aware of. It looks a bit rich with members of the management team calling for support and criticising the supporters when it has to be a two way street. I have supported Kerry for over 30 years but, I think the numbers of what you would call the hard core supporters that go to every league and championship game has lessened.
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Post by taibhse on Aug 7, 2018 16:09:02 GMT
Where did I say it was My team? Or where did I suggest Open training sessions? I do consider that it is the team of the collective people of Kerry. I do recall Eamon promising that there would such open training sessions this year - never happened. When you said it was "OUR team". There would probably have been one open session if Kerry made it to the final. Annascaultilidie: For the sake of your comfort, I rest my case!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 16:10:47 GMT
When you said it was "OUR team". There would probably have been one open session if Kerry made it to the final. Annascaultilidie: For the sake of your comfort, I rest my case! OK 👍
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 16:11:48 GMT
Where did I say it was My team? Or where did I suggest Open training sessions? I do consider that it is the team of the collective people of Kerry. I do recall Eamon promising that there would such open training sessions this year - never happened. I think in fairness having the odd open day or something would go along way towards healing the bond between supporters and players. Even if twas only to see an hour of ball skills and backs and forwards. The serious stuff can be done behind closed doors. Even have one open day before the Munster final and the league or some such. At the moment unless we make the All Ireland the only open day you get is the Night at the dogs with some players which is really a shakedown for funding. I have no problem with that but, I think the connection with the Kerry public has gone a bit. That's no ones fault really I suppose it's just times are changing. Its just something to be aware of. It looks a bit rich with members of the management team calling for support and criticising the supporters when it has to be a two way street. I have supported Kerry for over 30 years but, I think the numbers of what you would call the hard core supporters that go to every league and championship game has lessened. I'd agree with this. Even mix it up and have one day in Tralee, another in Killarney, another in listowel etc etc. It would create a sense of genuine excitement when the team goes to train in that town. This is all pr stuff and a bit fluffy but it can matter in building that bond
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 7, 2018 16:18:48 GMT
I see where jack o Connor is walking the poll in the 42 online website he is followed by Liam Kearns with nearly a thousand votes in the difference But sure who is voting in that? I wonder could we get a poll on here?
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 7, 2018 16:58:31 GMT
I see where jack o Connor is walking the poll in the 42 online website he is followed by Liam Kearns with nearly a thousand votes in the difference But sure who is voting in that? I'd wager the majority voting for Jack in the 42 online poll would be from outside the county and those with little knowledge of other candidates available.
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