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Post by dc84 on Sept 20, 2018 8:32:27 GMT
The word is out in Tarbert that Stephen Stack and Donie are the new joint Kerry Senior managers as peter Keane has been ruled out because he wants to select his own backroom team. Should the Culbs have a say in this appointment? I can't see these personalities working as a unit. Coolahans or carmodys?
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 20, 2018 8:39:33 GMT
The word is out in Tarbert that Stephen Stack and Donie are the new joint Kerry Senior managers as peter Keane has been ruled out because he wants to select his own backroom team. Should the Culbs have a say in this appointment? I can't see these personalities working as a unit. No logic to such a decision (if true).
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 20, 2018 8:57:09 GMT
The word is out in Tarbert that Stephen Stack and Donie are the new joint Kerry Senior managers as peter Keane has been ruled out because he wants to select his own backroom team. Should the Culbs have a say in this appointment? I can't see these personalities working as a unit. I am confused. My understanding from the meeting that was had with the clubs and the subsequent statement by Tim Murphy was that the county board with put the backroom team up for ratification on October the 8th or whatever date. I understood that all candidates with outline their team to the county board selection committee and then they would be ratified en-masse. As opposed to a manager being selected and then him announcing his backroom team to the executive at a later date. Not that the county board selection committee would form a management team like kids at the pick'n'mix counter in the cinema. I understood that the whole management team had to be put up for ratification. That the manager no longer had free reign to pick selectors after he was appointed as it were. So they could see which managment team had donie buckley basically to be blunt about it
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2018 10:15:53 GMT
All sounds confusing but I'm sure the KCB are fully on top of things. Looking forward to the white smoke and seeing who emerges from the all the rumours!
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Post by wideball17 on Sept 20, 2018 10:18:01 GMT
Maurice Fitz is apparently the manager with Stephen Stack and Donie Buckley. Joe O Connor staying in place for S & C.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 20, 2018 10:25:35 GMT
The word is out in Tarbert that Stephen Stack and Donie are the new joint Kerry Senior managers as peter Keane has been ruled out because he wants to select his own backroom team. Should the Culbs have a say in this appointment? I can't see these personalities working as a unit. If that is the outcome they have missed the point under about 10 headings, so much so that it is extremely unlikely to be accurate.
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Post by keane on Sept 20, 2018 10:39:08 GMT
Yerra we will be managing by plebiscite the way it's going with all the confirmed backroom teams so far
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Post by dc84 on Sept 20, 2018 10:47:22 GMT
Yerra we will be managing by plebiscite the way it's going with all the confirmed backroom teams so far Cant beat a bit of rumour in fairness! At least its something to talk about!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 20, 2018 12:22:20 GMT
I heard it's Mike Quirke, Declan Quill, and Vinnie Murphy!
PS: Martin Horgan has two votes now.
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Post by number14 on Sept 20, 2018 12:55:46 GMT
The word is out in Tarbert that Stephen Stack and Donie are the new joint Kerry Senior managers as peter Keane has been ruled out because he wants to select his own backroom team. Should the Culbs have a say in this appointment? I can't see these personalities working as a unit. And Everyone in Waterville says Micko is negotiating a return, says training has become too soft and laps of the field is the only way to stop the drive for five.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2018 13:02:39 GMT
The word is out in Tarbert that Stephen Stack and Donie are the new joint Kerry Senior managers as peter Keane has been ruled out because he wants to select his own backroom team. Should the Culbs have a say in this appointment? I can't see these personalities working as a unit. And Everyone in Waterville says Micko is negotiating a return, says training has become too soft and laps of the field is the only way to stop the drive for five. That would be interesting, the young players harnessed to extreme fitness levels and let off................
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Post by buck02 on Sept 20, 2018 13:52:39 GMT
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 20, 2018 14:23:40 GMT
Spillane clearly has a few blind spots and doesn't appear to have a best friend to take him aside and fill him in. A person with ambitions to join the manager conveyor belt simply can't go on national television and talk about the person they would ultimately like to replace (who had a reasonable amount of success - AI, League, Munsters) in the way Spillane did and then wait for the phone to ring. O'Rourke even tried to set him straight live on TV.
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Post by pillar on Sept 20, 2018 15:25:23 GMT
The Kerry County board have a 3 year plan in place from 2018-2020 for the senior team.Just because the head of the plan is gone doesn't mean that there ripping up the plan.They are simply looking to replace the figurehead.They are ruling out the all candidates for the job who don't want to follow this plan.So I'd imagine it'll be a replacement for Eamonn,and a new selector to replace the selector who's stepping up plus Donie Buckley.If someone doesn't want to fall into that,he's not a candidate.IMO we are missing out on the best candidate if that is to be the case!!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 20, 2018 17:50:40 GMT
I heard its Tom Carr, Babs Keating, Daithi O Se and Vogue Williams
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 20, 2018 19:13:31 GMT
The county board was elected and in them we must trust. Maybe it is good that they have a say on the management team, at least then the manager won't owe favours.
We can all pick holes in things but to me the over-riding factor is that we have an amazing culture and that should come to the fore in everything we do - it is not about individuals, it is about a county and we are all ambassadors, not least those who sweat blood 'n' tears to entertain us - just look at Sean Cavanagh, and all he says is that 'he doesn't know if it was intentional.' Maybe he wants it dealt within the county but it still happened in the name of the GAA. We all like then rough and tumble of argy-bargy but is this disturbing or what?
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Post by glengael on Sept 21, 2018 10:30:26 GMT
I heard its Tom Carr, Babs Keating, Daithi O Se and Vogue Williams Well I heard that Vogue was stepping down for personal reasons and it is Solange Knowles who is replacing her but what do I know!
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Post by dc84 on Sept 21, 2018 12:39:25 GMT
I heard its Tom Carr, Babs Keating, Daithi O Se and Vogue Williams Well I heard that Vogue was stepping down for personal reasons and it is Solange Knowles who is replacing her but what do I know! Good woman to put in tackles in tight spaces apparently just ask jay z!
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Post by unsunghero on Sept 21, 2018 12:42:14 GMT
I heard it's Mike Quirke, Declan Quill, and Vinnie Murphy! PS: Martin Horgan has two votes now. Good one JP
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Post by yellowbelly on Sept 21, 2018 14:09:43 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/mickey-ned-osullivan-criticises-kingdom-approach-to-appointing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-successor-870480.htmlFormer Kerry captain and manager Mickey Ned O’Sullivan has criticised the county board executive for attempting to “micro-manage” the appointment process to find Éamonn Fitzmaurice’s successor. O’Sullivan had selectors imposed on him when he took over from Mick O’Dwyer in 1989 and he fears the board executive are showing a distinct lack of trust in the new man to put the best team together by doing it themselves. “When I was appointed in Limerick (in 2005), the county chairman said, ‘You’re the boss, you appoint people you respect and people that respect you and you know the expertise.’ The dynamic is very important here. You need people that you are going to need to be able to work with. Ultimately, the manager must be a good manager and a good leader but a good manager knows the people he can work with. “When I was appointed in Kerry in 1989, I was cook and chief bottle-washer. I had to wash the jerseys and I was given four selectors that the clubs appointed. Times have moved on and it’s a manager of expertise that you need now. If the chairman is going ahead with putting a management group together that is something he is micro-managing and he is not respecting the manager’s ability to get the best team in place. “Now, if I was in a position to manage I would know who is best at strength and conditioning. I would know who is the best coach, I would know who is the best medic, best physio, best sports psychologist, and statistician. The different areas of coaching like goalkeeping, I would know who is best at what but above all I would know who I would be able to work with and I would respect them. “If a chairman comes along and micro-manages me he is not empowering me, he is not showing confidence in my ability to get the best team possible. Those are the reservations I would have.” Of the names being linked to the role, O’Sullivan is impressed but he is worried that not enough faith is being placed in them. “They’re all good, quality people but I would like to see them get their own team together. What the county board is showing them is that they don’t have the confidence in them to have the connections or the ability to put the best team together.” County chairman Tim Murphy has stressed it is the will of the clubs to appoint a management team en bloc as opposed to an individual. O’Sullivan believes the make-up of the selection committee — Murphy, county secretary Peter Twiss, development officer Eamon Whelan, and coaching officer Terence Houlihan — is wrong. Four members of the county board executive were appointed to the selection committee. In my opinion, it should have been the chairman, a HR person and two football people. Autonomy to lead is vital if a manager is to be successful, insists O’Sullivan, recalling his five years with Limerick. “When I was in Limerick, I got people in who were better than me in every aspect. My job was to manage expertise, my job was to provide leadership and set a vision and to empower them and not micro-manage. “I got Cian O’Neill his first gig as strength and conditioning. I got Donie Buckley and Mickey McGeehan as coaches because they were the best in the business. All I had to do was stand back and let these people work and I knew I could work with them because I respected them. “If a chairman comes along and says to me, ‘This is a team you have to work with’ it’s a difficult one because you don’t know what the dynamic is going to be and the dynamic is everything and there must be mutual respect.” O’Sullivan’s recollection of his time as Kerry manager is not a particularly joyous one. “It was very difficult because the selectors at that time had no involvement in the training. They came along, picked the team and they were politically appointed. The majority would be looking at the next election and they picked a political team. “They were there to pick the best team but in a lot of cases they didn’t know the form of the players and certainly there was a danger that you could be saddled with some political selection who was looking after certain people. That’s human nature, unfortunately. You hadn’t a management team, you were the coach and the physical trainer and you did everything. “The whole thing now, you’re looking at a good manager of people who knows his football, has a vision and can motivate players and can handle a good management team and has good PR skills because the supporters are very important. You also have to manage the county board who are the most difficult of all because they are political animals.”
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Post by dc84 on Sept 21, 2018 15:09:16 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/mickey-ned-osullivan-criticises-kingdom-approach-to-appointing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-successor-870480.htmlFormer Kerry captain and manager Mickey Ned O’Sullivan has criticised the county board executive for attempting to “micro-manage” the appointment process to find Éamonn Fitzmaurice’s successor. O’Sullivan had selectors imposed on him when he took over from Mick O’Dwyer in 1989 and he fears the board executive are showing a distinct lack of trust in the new man to put the best team together by doing it themselves. “When I was appointed in Limerick (in 2005), the county chairman said, ‘You’re the boss, you appoint people you respect and people that respect you and you know the expertise.’ The dynamic is very important here. You need people that you are going to need to be able to work with. Ultimately, the manager must be a good manager and a good leader but a good manager knows the people he can work with. “When I was appointed in Kerry in 1989, I was cook and chief bottle-washer. I had to wash the jerseys and I was given four selectors that the clubs appointed. Times have moved on and it’s a manager of expertise that you need now. If the chairman is going ahead with putting a management group together that is something he is micro-managing and he is not respecting the manager’s ability to get the best team in place. “Now, if I was in a position to manage I would know who is best at strength and conditioning. I would know who is the best coach, I would know who is the best medic, best physio, best sports psychologist, and statistician. The different areas of coaching like goalkeeping, I would know who is best at what but above all I would know who I would be able to work with and I would respect them. “If a chairman comes along and micro-manages me he is not empowering me, he is not showing confidence in my ability to get the best team possible. Those are the reservations I would have.” Of the names being linked to the role, O’Sullivan is impressed but he is worried that not enough faith is being placed in them. “They’re all good, quality people but I would like to see them get their own team together. What the county board is showing them is that they don’t have the confidence in them to have the connections or the ability to put the best team together.” County chairman Tim Murphy has stressed it is the will of the clubs to appoint a management team en bloc as opposed to an individual. O’Sullivan believes the make-up of the selection committee — Murphy, county secretary Peter Twiss, development officer Eamon Whelan, and coaching officer Terence Houlihan — is wrong. Four members of the county board executive were appointed to the selection committee. In my opinion, it should have been the chairman, a HR person and two football people. Autonomy to lead is vital if a manager is to be successful, insists O’Sullivan, recalling his five years with Limerick. “When I was in Limerick, I got people in who were better than me in every aspect. My job was to manage expertise, my job was to provide leadership and set a vision and to empower them and not micro-manage. “I got Cian O’Neill his first gig as strength and conditioning. I got Donie Buckley and Mickey McGeehan as coaches because they were the best in the business. All I had to do was stand back and let these people work and I knew I could work with them because I respected them. “If a chairman comes along and says to me, ‘This is a team you have to work with’ it’s a difficult one because you don’t know what the dynamic is going to be and the dynamic is everything and there must be mutual respect.” O’Sullivan’s recollection of his time as Kerry manager is not a particularly joyous one. “It was very difficult because the selectors at that time had no involvement in the training. They came along, picked the team and they were politically appointed. The majority would be looking at the next election and they picked a political team. “They were there to pick the best team but in a lot of cases they didn’t know the form of the players and certainly there was a danger that you could be saddled with some political selection who was looking after certain people. That’s human nature, unfortunately. You hadn’t a management team, you were the coach and the physical trainer and you did everything. “The whole thing now, you’re looking at a good manager of people who knows his football, has a vision and can motivate players and can handle a good management team and has good PR skills because the supporters are very important. You also have to manage the county board who are the most difficult of all because they are political animals.” Nail firmly hit on the head by Mickey there!
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 21, 2018 15:17:00 GMT
Looking like former managers think everybody in Kerry is an animal - Paudie famously likened fans to animals and now Mickey Ned says the county board are (political) animals.
Having been savaged from time to time by fans and county board probably leaves a lasting impression........
The only way of stopping this is to win, win, win and get the flock out of there before they turn on you. It really is a jungle out there.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 21, 2018 15:47:21 GMT
That coming from Mickey Ned is not very reassuring. No strong manager will accept that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 18:18:05 GMT
Well said Mickey Ned. It will be a joke if the clubs appoint a management team en bloc and you would have to question the calibre of a manager that would stand for that.
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Post by frankgalvintralee on Sept 22, 2018 8:39:05 GMT
From my good sources Its down to a two horse race Peter Keane or Maurice Fitzgerald.
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Post by Fado on Sept 22, 2018 9:32:07 GMT
I want both with Diarmuid and Donie please.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 22, 2018 9:32:26 GMT
From my good sources Its down to a two horse race Peter Keane or Maurice Fitzgerald. Is that for the Mary’s job or the Kerry job?
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Post by glengael on Sept 22, 2018 10:08:01 GMT
Shane Ross might be a good fit. He doesn't believe in micro-manangement either!
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Post by allrounder on Sept 22, 2018 11:15:38 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/mickey-ned-osullivan-criticises-kingdom-approach-to-appointing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-successor-870480.htmlFormer Kerry captain and manager Mickey Ned O’Sullivan has criticised the county board executive for attempting to “micro-manage” the appointment process to find Éamonn Fitzmaurice’s successor. O’Sullivan had selectors imposed on him when he took over from Mick O’Dwyer in 1989 and he fears the board executive are showing a distinct lack of trust in the new man to put the best team together by doing it themselves. “When I was appointed in Limerick (in 2005), the county chairman said, ‘You’re the boss, you appoint people you respect and people that respect you and you know the expertise.’ The dynamic is very important here. You need people that you are going to need to be able to work with. Ultimately, the manager must be a good manager and a good leader but a good manager knows the people he can work with. “When I was appointed in Kerry in 1989, I was cook and chief bottle-washer. I had to wash the jerseys and I was given four selectors that the clubs appointed. Times have moved on and it’s a manager of expertise that you need now. If the chairman is going ahead with putting a management group together that is something he is micro-managing and he is not respecting the manager’s ability to get the best team in place. “Now, if I was in a position to manage I would know who is best at strength and conditioning. I would know who is the best coach, I would know who is the best medic, best physio, best sports psychologist, and statistician. The different areas of coaching like goalkeeping, I would know who is best at what but above all I would know who I would be able to work with and I would respect them. “If a chairman comes along and micro-manages me he is not empowering me, he is not showing confidence in my ability to get the best team possible. Those are the reservations I would have.” Of the names being linked to the role, O’Sullivan is impressed but he is worried that not enough faith is being placed in them. “They’re all good, quality people but I would like to see them get their own team together. What the county board is showing them is that they don’t have the confidence in them to have the connections or the ability to put the best team together.” County chairman Tim Murphy has stressed it is the will of the clubs to appoint a management team en bloc as opposed to an individual. O’Sullivan believes the make-up of the selection committee — Murphy, county secretary Peter Twiss, development officer Eamon Whelan, and coaching officer Terence Houlihan — is wrong. Four members of the county board executive were appointed to the selection committee. In my opinion, it should have been the chairman, a HR person and two football people. Autonomy to lead is vital if a manager is to be successful, insists O’Sullivan, recalling his five years with Limerick. “When I was in Limerick, I got people in who were better than me in every aspect. My job was to manage expertise, my job was to provide leadership and set a vision and to empower them and not micro-manage. “I got Cian O’Neill his first gig as strength and conditioning. I got Donie Buckley and Mickey McGeehan as coaches because they were the best in the business. All I had to do was stand back and let these people work and I knew I could work with them because I respected them. “If a chairman comes along and says to me, ‘This is a team you have to work with’ it’s a difficult one because you don’t know what the dynamic is going to be and the dynamic is everything and there must be mutual respect.” O’Sullivan’s recollection of his time as Kerry manager is not a particularly joyous one. “It was very difficult because the selectors at that time had no involvement in the training. They came along, picked the team and they were politically appointed. The majority would be looking at the next election and they picked a political team. “They were there to pick the best team but in a lot of cases they didn’t know the form of the players and certainly there was a danger that you could be saddled with some political selection who was looking after certain people. That’s human nature, unfortunately. You hadn’t a management team, you were the coach and the physical trainer and you did everything. “The whole thing now, you’re looking at a good manager of people who knows his football, has a vision and can motivate players and can handle a good management team and has good PR skills because the supporters are very important. You also have to manage the county board who are the most difficult of all because they are political animals.” Ah yes, Mickey Ned, the manager who lost 5 minor games in 2 years when he picked his own management team!!!!! And we haven't lost a minor game since!! Has anyone a grain of salt!!!!
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Post by hatchetman on Sept 22, 2018 11:19:25 GMT
From my good sources Its down to a two horse race Peter Keane or Maurice Fitzgerald. Is that for the Mary’s job or the Kerry job? Obviously the Mary's job ... but the loser will at least have the consolation that they are a shoe-in for the Kerry job.
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