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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 18:53:24 GMT
The new manager has to sit down with Shane Ryan and talk to him. He has to be the guy now. Shane Murphy or maybe Dara O’Shea as a backup but I would try and get him to commit .
Midfield is poor and no.6 also .
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 7, 2018 19:00:43 GMT
Eamonn was well within his rights to have a pop off the “fans” on his way out. But no man is exempt from criticism. I’d say even Micko got flak for the loss in 82. The debate he opened up has deflected things away from the pitch and performance.
Calling a spade a spade, if he was working in the private sector and the teams progress and results were reviewed at the end of the year. He’d have been relieved of his duties. For the record too, I heard a lot of criticism over the past few weeks but I didnt hear anyone criticizing our your players. In fact it was quite the opposite. I think Eamonn massaged the facts a bit on that one. He and the management team were getting heavily criticized, and in the last couple of weeks the senior players were too.
He was right to raise the abuse issues. But deep down Eamonn knows that he and the team came up well short over the past two years
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 19:05:08 GMT
Eamonn was well within his rights to have a pop off the “fans” on his way out. But no man is exempt from criticism. I’d say even Micko got flak for the loss in 82. The debate he opened up has deflected things away from the pitch and performance. Calling a spade a spade, if he was working in the private sector and the teams progress and results were reviewed at the end of the year. He’d have been relieved of his duties. For the record too, I heard a lot of criticism over the past few weeks but I didnt hear anyone criticizing our your players. In fact it was quite the opposite. I think Eamonn massaged the facts a bit on that one. He and the management team were getting heavily criticized, and in the last couple of weeks the senior players were too. He was right to raise the abuse issues. But deep down Eamonn knows that he and the team came up well short over the past two years Have you actually listened to the interviews or are you inferring what he said from what has been said on this yoke?
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 7, 2018 19:05:44 GMT
*young players
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 7, 2018 19:07:26 GMT
I listened to the interviews. He insinuated that it wasn’t good for the young players to be exposed to the criticism. I haven’t heard anyone Critise any young player
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 19:11:09 GMT
I listened to the interviews. He insinuated that it wasn’t good for the young players to be exposed to the criticism. I haven’t heard anyone Critise any young player I inferred that the criticism he referred to was of the team in general; criticism we would say was actually of the management. He never said there was criticism directed at younger players. PS: Sorry I know I'm a pain in the hole on this yoke I'm minding a puppy and driven spare.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 19:14:19 GMT
Criticism is criticism, the younger players will have been very much impacted by this even if not aimed specifically at them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 19:16:48 GMT
It is getting quite boring now. The fitzmaurice era has been well analysed on this forum over the past several months. The letters etc are just noise at this stage. Time to move on.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 7, 2018 19:27:38 GMT
Ah he played the sympathy card with the younger players. You can’t say he didn’t. I’m not trying to kick the man when he’s down but the performances weren’t good enough against Mayo last year and the super 8’s this year. The kickout issues, a few strange tactical calls. I think Eammon got a bit rattled himself, confidence wise. I know it doesn’t appear like that when he talks but he (and his management team) were chopping and changing far too much. To give him a break too, if we’re being realistic on current form only one kerry player would make the Dublin team, David Clifford. Aside from that though use the Dublin thing too, came up against the best Dublin team of all time. That’s fine, but what people fail to highlight is that other teams have passed us out over the day two seasons. Teams are less and less fearful of Kerry now based on our performances in Croke Park and big games.
Good managers aren’t always successful, and good managers can go through a poor run of form just like a player. I think that’s the same with Eamon. If a player is going poor we usually pull him out in the hope that a spell on the sideline might refocus him. Managers are no different, I’ve no doubt Eamon could do a good job again down the road but for now he and the team could benefit from a change.
As I’ve said before, if you were reviewing the year and Mayo last year, all be it with a heavy heart, Tim Murphy and the executive would have at the very least had to debate the merits of relieving him of his duties, purely based on results and the rate of progression of the team.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 19:29:50 GMT
I think Fitz has the best interests of Kerry at heart and one if the reasons he left was to avoid the negativity around the team, which, as he said, would negatively impact on the younger players.
To suggest he isn't taking responsibility is rather moot considering that he did actually resign. That is ultimately taking responsibility for the poor results.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 7, 2018 19:37:34 GMT
I think Fitz has the best interests of Kerry at heart and one if the reasons he left was to avoid the negativity around the team, which, as he said, would negatively impact on the younger players. To suggest he isn't taking responsibility is rather moot considering that he did actually resign. That is ultimately taking responsibility for the poor results. It could be classed as jumping before your pushed too. No doubt Eamonn has a passion for Kerry. But don’t be codding yourself, all inter county managers are hugely driven and have healthy to unhealthy size egos. They’re motivated by the challenge, responsibility and ultimately the power/status of the job. They’re not all Mother Theresa type characters, selflessnessly trying to help the helpless
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2018 19:38:49 GMT
Football was always and always will be a results based business.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 19:42:30 GMT
I think Fitz has the best interests of Kerry at heart and one if the reasons he left was to avoid the negativity around the team, which, as he said, would negatively impact on the younger players. To suggest he isn't taking responsibility is rather moot considering that he did actually resign. That is ultimately taking responsibility for the poor results. It could be classed as jumping before your pushed too. No doubt Eamonn has a passion for Kerry. But don’t be codding yourself, all inter county managers are hugely driven and have healthy to unhealthy size egos. They’re motivated by the challenge, responsibility and ultimately the power/status of the job. They’re not all Mother Theresa type characters, selflessnessly trying to help the helpless Absolutely; but that same ego can tell a soul they are the best person for the job, the best person to do the best for the county. One could argue EF deserves credit for jumping rather than delaying and waiting for a push.
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Post by southward on Aug 7, 2018 19:44:56 GMT
I listened to the interviews. He insinuated that it wasn’t good for the young players to be exposed to the criticism. I haven’t heard anyone Critise any young player I inferred that the criticism he referred to was of the team in general; criticism we would say was actually of the management. He never said there was criticism directed at younger players. PS: Sorry I know I'm a pain in the hole on this yoke I'm minding a puppy and driven spare. Hey, it's a Cork pup. We understand.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2018 19:47:01 GMT
Probably a Poodle.
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Post by southward on Aug 7, 2018 19:49:30 GMT
The new manager has to sit down with Shane Ryan and talk to him. He has to be the guy now. Shane Murphy or maybe Dara O’Shea as a backup but I would try and get him to commit . Midfield is poor and no.6 also . I was well impressed with him in the Junior final.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 7, 2018 19:49:52 GMT
Just trying to bring a bit of balanced debate to it. Deep down Eamonn feels he can’t add anymore to it. He said so himself. I don’t like the perception all over the country that he quit because of the “animals”. It’s a results driven game, results and progress of you have a young team. Two things that we can’t say we achieved this year.
Eamonn got heavily criticized and there are idiots out there that over step the mark, no doubt. Long and the short of it is, the results were very disappointing. We regressed as a team. That’s the easiest barometer to judge things on. Did we make progress or did we regress?? If you’ve regressed your position as manager is surely under scrutiny as the very least
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 19:52:30 GMT
A lovely Maltese from a Biffo * (the mother, not the breeder).
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2018 19:53:02 GMT
what i want to know is whether the puppie was brought to the pub on saturday to watch sky sports.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 19:54:42 GMT
what i want to know is whether the puppie was brought to the pub on saturday to watch sky sports. Not fully up to date on the shots yet so no.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2018 19:55:25 GMT
A lovely Maltese from a Biffo * (the mother, not the breeder). Near enough. Just a get a big big box and throw it into it. Fantastic solution to yappee xxxxx
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Post by southward on Aug 7, 2018 19:58:22 GMT
I listened to the interviews. He insinuated that it wasn’t good for the young players to be exposed to the criticism. I haven’t heard anyone Critise any young player I inferred that the criticism he referred to was of the team in general; criticism we would say was actually of the management. He never said there was criticism directed at younger players. PS: Sorry I know I'm a pain in the hole on this yoke I'm minding a puppy and driven spare. Help is at hand www.brit.co/dog-whisperer-hotline/
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 19:59:09 GMT
A lovely Maltese from a Biffo * (the mother, not the breeder). Near enough. Just a get a big big box and throw it into it. Fantastic solution to yappee xxxxx Look I'm driving myself (and ye) spare rather than the woofer doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 20:10:37 GMT
Look it is what it is. When you take on the Kerry job. You will get criticized. That’s it . Kerry fans demand success and we have a right to demand it.
If Kerry are not winning it comes back to management so you man up and take it and deal with it. You start winning or you walk away .
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Post by pillar on Aug 7, 2018 20:13:24 GMT
Think his rationale for quitting is that as long as he is there the atmosphere around the team will be negative because of people's criticism of himself.Whatever you think of his management and in game nous he has always carried himself with a dignity .His departure mirrors that attitude and I do think well of him for that.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2018 21:11:51 GMT
I am sure EF had a lot to do with the rise of PCD too.
I hope he stays involved in some way.
Maybe the next minor manager when it becomes available.
Eamonn commands huge respect.
Respect is earned
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Post by stevieq on Aug 7, 2018 21:14:26 GMT
What amazes me is who even writes letters anymore? Jesus, I don’t think I’ve got a letter in the last 20 years - hate mail or otherwise. Never mind a box of them!! How would you even structure such a letter.........
Date: 7th July, 2018
Eamon Fitzmaurice Co. Kerry
Dear Eamon
Re: Performance of Kerry Team Lately
I think you’re a Boll*x and I hate you!!!
Yours sincerely,
Anonymous Animal........
It’s all getting a bit crazy.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 21:20:17 GMT
I am sure EF had a lot to do with the rise of PCD too. I hope he stays involved in some way. Maybe the next minor manager when it becomes available. Eamonn commands huge respect. Respect is earned He said he will continue being involved with PCD.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 21:21:27 GMT
What amazes me is who even writes letters anymore? Jesus, I don’t think I’ve got a letter in the last 20 years - hate mail or otherwise. Never mind a box of them!! How would you even structure such a letter......... Date: 7th July, 2018 Eamon Fitzmaurice Co. Kerry Dear Eamon Re: Performance of Kerry Team Lately I think you’re a Boll*x and I hate you!!! Yours sincerely, Anonymous Animal........ It’s all getting a bit crazy. There are sick puppies out there. Politicians receive hate mail, and journalists too.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 21:44:38 GMT
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