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Post by Sons of Pitches on Aug 5, 2018 2:49:45 GMT
He got us an All Ireland in 2014. I give him credit for that. Overall though I think he did a poor job and was a poor manager. The job was too big for him. His decision making , tactics , and game plan was bad and it cost us on a few occasions. He couldn’t beat the Dubs and Gavin beat him on the line in every game. He should have gone in 2016. I think we got worse every year from 2014 and the writing was on the ball especially after the Mayo game last year. I wish him well in the future. I think we do have some good young talent coming through and now is the time to get rid of at least half of this panel and start fresh. As stated Liam Kerins or Peter Keane would both be good. I would totally clear out this Management and bring in a brand new group. He was the only one to beat them in a final in recent years. I've heard others say oh he couldn't beat the Dubs, nobody else could. Dublin were up a level during his time as manager. I'm not sure that's a stick to beat him with.
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Post by beantownfan on Aug 5, 2018 3:06:39 GMT
I don't fully get the fascination with Jack O'Connor? During both of his previous reigns in charge people were relatively happy to see him leave, there was no outcry of 'Jack should stay on for another few years'..
The AI in 2011 should never have been lost, he took over the Kerry minors when unbelievable work had been done at the underage level to set up development squads etc.. Granted he won All Irelands at that level to end a massive famine, but the fact Peter Keane (probably in more difficult circumstances) continues to produce winning minor teams shows that the quality being produced in the county at minor is top notch... Jack's failings at u21 raise serious question marks. Folks have slated Fitzmaurice for not doing better at senior, but Jack took over the u21s at a time when a pipeline the likes of which we've not seen in recent memory were coming through and didn't even get to an All Ireland final with them. We also need to start thinking outside the box a bit.. If going back to Jack or Pat O'Shea are the best options it doesn't say much for us.. I'd take Pat over Jack as I've a feeling he is more in touch with how the younger generation need to be treated etc..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 6:01:02 GMT
Not sure how you can give jack o Connor little credit for winning two minors yet praise peter Keane for the same achievement. Keane had David Clifford so fair to say he had a good hand and plenty managers would have achieved similar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 7:30:19 GMT
Peter Keane does not have any baggage so will get a pass that others won't next year. That reason alone may be enough to give him the job.
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Post by jumanji on Aug 5, 2018 8:05:52 GMT
He got us an All Ireland in 2014. I give him credit for that. Overall though I think he did a poor job and was a poor manager. The job was too big for him. His decision making , tactics , and game plan was bad and it cost us on a few occasions. He couldn’t beat the Dubs and Gavin beat him on the line in every game. He should have gone in 2016. I think we got worse every year from 2014 and the writing was on the ball especially after the Mayo game last year. I wish him well in the future. I think we do have some good young talent coming through and now is the time to get rid of at least half of this panel and start fresh. As stated Liam Kerins or Peter Keane would both be good. I would totally clear out this Management and bring in a brand new group. He was the only one to beat them in a final in recent years. I've heard others say oh he couldn't beat the Dubs, nobody else could. Dublin were up a level during his time as manager. I'm not sure that's a stick to beat him with. Dublin I agree were on a different level, but why was that, yes they have a fantastic group of players, finances etc but what Jim gavin has done to enable that team to perform is the biggest factor to Dublin success. Gavin created an environment (competitive, collective, professional etc) along with creating a method of playing that suits the Dublin players, kick out strategy, defensive strategy, attracting fluidity etc. He and his management also has an incredible ability to identify situations in games and change and react. Also he is true to his principles, no matter who is not performing on a given day or over a period they're gone. Team ethos over individual. Did eamonn and his management team deliver the above or anything near it in 6 years - answer is NO.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2018 8:24:56 GMT
We will always be thankful for the 2014 All Ireland but the team has regressed every year since- some of the decisions have been baffling, the tactics and ingame management have been really substandard, the conditioning and tackling skills of the squad have gone backwards and in all honesty - he just looked like a man in over his head.
Should really have gone last year and created this years toxic atmosphere by not doing so
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 5, 2018 8:49:24 GMT
I think Eamonn’s biggest weakness in recent seasons, the last two in particular was the quality of his selectors/coaches. Diarmuid Murphy was a big loss. Liam Hassett was a wholey show above in Croke Park against Mayo last year. So much so that he was relieved of the maor foirne duties this year.
If Jack gets the job he’ll have the same gang he’s had with the last 10 years.
Pat Shea is a definite option. This time on his own terms. He was under pressure from the off last time. Who’s to say he’d take the job even if it was offered to him.
Peter Keane, has done well at a lot of jobs but it’s a big jump from training 16/17 year olds to seniors.
Just as important as the manager if not more so is the team he has around him. Propper trainers/coaches as part of the backroom team. Lads who have been at the coal face of senior club football in recent times. The criteria for selectors in my view should be “could this man realistically go on to be the manager of Kerry himself one day, would he be capable of that”? I don’t think that can be said about the current crop
Finally to sum up Fitzmaurices term. He won one against the head in 14. He had a super tussle with Dublin in the semi final of 13. Another great tussle in the 2016 semi.
But overall I think he had 3 good years 13,14,16, and 3 bad years 15,17,18. The problem is down here in Kerry you can’t survive two bad years in a row. The shame is if he left after 16, I think he would have been a very good manager again if he left soone else at it for 2-3 years, reset and came back again. The man was 6 years a manager, and I’d say 3 as a selector with Jack. That’s 9 years involved. A lot of sacrifice. So whatever your thoughts, he should be thanked and shown the utmost respect
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2018 9:32:07 GMT
'I was a lightning rod for negativity and criticism' - Éamonn Fitzmaurice resigns Saturday, August 04, 2018 - 09:30 PM By Eoghan Cormican Sports Reporter
Update 9.30pm: Éamonn Fitzmaurice, announcing his resignation as Kerry football manager, believes he was a “lightning rod” for the criticism and negativity which stalked his team in recent weeks and months.
Calling time on his six-year tenure as Kerry football manager, which included six Munster championships and All-Ireland success in 2014, Fitzmaurice is hopeful that by stepping away, it will lessen the over-the-top criticism which his players have been subjected to throughout 2018.
Fitzmaurice claimed his players were getting grief off the Kerry public outside of match-days and that he had “a box full of anonymous letters”.
He called for his replacement to be afforded real patience.
“It is time for me to move on,” Fitzmaurice began.
“I have been in the job for six years. I’ve given it everything I have. I think there are very good foundations there for the future.
I think a change of voice and a change of direction will be good. I also think by taking me out of the equation, it can remove some of the over-the-top negativity that was coming at the team, which I feel was unfair.
“When you are preaching patience about a young group, we didn’t carry that through as a county at all this summer. I think, part of that, was down to the fact that I was there for so long and that, maybe, I was a lightning rod for that negativity and criticism, which, if you are 19 as David [Clifford] is or Sean [O'Shea] that is 20, the other lads Gavin White is 21, Jason Foley is 21, that is not a nice environment to try and develop yourself.
"It is great when we are in here in Fitzgerald Stadium together, but there is a lot of time when they are out in their own communities and out in the general public and they are hearing stuff.
I’m hoping by someone new coming in, they’ll be given a bit of time and space, and I mean real time and real space and real patience to allow the [younger] lads make mistakes, allow bad performances to happen, without it being the end of the world, and appreciate how hard it is to develop a team.
“As a county, we have probably hung our hat too much on the minor success, which has been outstanding, but winning minor All-Irelands and winning senior All-Irelands are a very different thing. And it takes time.”
On the criticism he received and that which was directed at his players, Fitzmaurice elaborated: “You can take criticism, but over-the-top criticism, I get a lot of the info second and third-hand because I stay out of it, you have enough to be doing when the games are coming thick and fast.
“But I think if you are being patient, there shouldn’t be over-the-top criticism when you have a young team. There has to be a realisation within the county that we need to give the [younger players] a bit of space and a bit of time. And, maybe, try the positive stance and see how that works, getting behind the team when you have a bad performance.
“If things are going against the next man, there will be question marks but it'll be more muted. It gets louder the longer you stay and I don't like the way that was affecting the group.
The players get [grief] in verbal form and written form. Players and management and selectors too. I have a box full of anonymous letters.
“If you're a supporter, you back the team through thick and thin but I don't want to go down that road of 'poor me' because that's not the way it is. It doesn't bother me at all. It comes with this position and if you're going to be precious on that forget about it.
"You know that coming into it, I knew that. I've thicker skin than that but I don't like it when it's happening to players, that's a different scenario. Does it make it right that it comes with the territory? I don't know but that's a different debate. When it's happening to players I don't think it's very nice.”
The departing Kerry boss didn’t believe players had grown tired of his voice in the dressing room and he also admitted he was going to step down at the end of this season, irrespective of when Kerry’s campaign finished up. After their 2017 season concluded at the All-Ireland semi-final hurdle, Fitzmaurice was handed a three-year term to bring him through to 2020.
“A three-year term is great but everything is always assessed and analysed and reviewed on a yearly basis. I don't sign any contract, I'm not paid any money. A three-year term is a verbal commitment really and it's reviewed every year anyway.
"You sit down at the end of the year and look back. I'd have always asked myself, 'Can I give it more? Can I make a difference? Can I improve it?' I think I'm at the point now where the group will benefit from a new voice and a bit of space.
"It's grand me asking for space on the bank holiday weekend in August. If the new man loses three games next March, will everyone be down his throat again? I'd hope not.
"A new person coming in with different messages, different demands, having to prove yourself all over again, that can lift the thing that small bit further. We are very close. There are good foundations there.
"All those young players are going to benefit hugely from the exposure to these Super 8 games against Division 1 teams. They are going to be in a great position next February facing into the league and facing into next year’s championship. That is all positive and that gives you energy.
It isn’t a knee-jerk decision. I was hoping I’d be [stepping down] after we won the All-Ireland.
"I felt it was time."
He said: "I step down, I've been six years in the job which is a long time. It will freshen things up.
"There is a lot of young talent, there are good foundations there. I think you always look to try and improve the thing and pass it onto the next person in a better place.
We are in a very good place in Kerry, the future is bright. I think by me stepping away from it, the new person coming in will be given a bit of space that we weren't given this year.
- Digital Desk
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 9:33:46 GMT
His interview with SKY showed that the criticism he was talking about was probably that surrounding the team rather than any specific players.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 5, 2018 9:51:46 GMT
Jack O Connor absolutely and utterly no way. People talk about EF poor days on the line they tend to forget about Jacks. New face, New voice, a completly new person, and please get someone in with a good knowledge of how to tackle and defend.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2018 9:57:20 GMT
There’s a smell of ‘woe is me’ nonsense off that interview.
Calls for patience yet he was given 6 years. He’s not gone because the supporters were overly demanding- I can take not winning an All Ireland this year but what I can accept as a Kerry supporter is:
The lack of a kick out strategy- we are prob worst in the country at this aspect, genuinely the worst The chopping and changing of goalies Barking full back line decisions- Griffin, Shanahan arriving and disappearing all the time. Shambolic attempts to play a sweeper Inability to find a centre back or even train a lad to hold the centre Midfield that isn’t mobile enough and that has regressed And a forward line that has relied substantially on a 19 year old
The conditioning of the team is below the level of our main competition and we can’t seen to tackle at all.
In the first half yesterday- Kildare waltzed through and prob would have won but for the red card.
Also the regular half time, and sometimes before half time, substitutions really showed the sign of a sideline who didn’t know what they were doing.
That’s why he’s gone- not due to lack of patience of the supporters
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 9:59:35 GMT
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 5, 2018 10:15:35 GMT
Eamonn has shipped huge criticism. Some constructive, some abusive but at the end of the day the people’s whos opinions matter the most in relation to the manager are the players. I think overall the players have huge respect for him and will be sad to see him go even if thy know a fresh voice might be needed. None of us are privy to what goes on in training or the sanctum of the dressingroom but despite the poor season, looking in from the ousted it looked like the players still have huge respect for Eamonn. That’s a lot more important to him than any external views people might have
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Post by kerryborder on Aug 5, 2018 10:23:38 GMT
His interview with SKY showed that the criticism he was talking about was probably that surrounding the team rather than any specific players. This narrative is similar to the rte interview yesterday evening. I cannot but feel it's a bit self serving and dodging some of the issues some of which are at his door and his door only. I have already ACKNOWLEDGED his contributions which in any other jurisdiction would be lauded so contrary to suggestions elsewhere of putting the knife in. I am not. I am disappointed he has taken this line. Thought he had a bit about him than that.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2018 10:25:23 GMT
Eamonn has shipped huge criticism. Some constructive, some abusive but at the end of the day the people’s whos opinions matter the most in relation to the manager are the players. I think overall the players have huge respect for him and will be sad to see him go even if thy know a fresh voice might be needed. None of us are privy to what goes on in training or the sanctum of the dressingroom but despite the poor season, looking in from the ousted it looked like the players still have huge respect for Eamonn. That’s a lot more important to him than any external views people might have Well by that logic he’s leaving because the players wanted him to and nothing to do with supporters! If he has made the decision to go, doesn’t value external opinions and only cares what the players think.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 10:26:11 GMT
His interview with SKY showed that the criticism he was talking about was probably that surrounding the team rather than any specific players. This narrative is similar to the rte interview yesterday evening. I cannot but feel it's a bit self serving and dodging some of the issues some of which are at his door and his door only. I have already ACKNOWLEDGED his contributions which in any other jurisdiction would be lauded so contrary to suggestions elsewhere of putting the knife in. I am not. I am disappointed he has taken this line. Thought he had a bit about him than that. Did you listen to the SKY interview? I felt the same as you until I listened to the SKY interview.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 10:30:15 GMT
You are wasting your breath with some here when it comes to fitzmaurice
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Post by southward on Aug 5, 2018 10:31:38 GMT
Ironic that, given the bad defeats of recent years, the manager steps down having presided over a 12-point win.
Actually, a bit of history by Kerry here - the first team ever to exit the AI stage following a victory.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2018 10:47:58 GMT
EF is in the eye of the storm and he feels bitter of certain things.
That's human and understandable.
I think he would be better off leaving things lie now and walking away. Less is more.
Time will heal the wounds.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 10:57:44 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Aug 5, 2018 12:20:22 GMT
How about a management team of Maurice Fitzgerald with Tommy Griffin and Donie Buckley as selectors/coaches. A wildcard as goalkeeping coach is Sean Og O Ciardabhan from Cordial.
Give Peter Keane the under 20s for 2 years and let him step up then after that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 12:43:46 GMT
The job was too big for him simple as that. He did a good job in 2014. As good as Dublin were they were still beatable like any great team were.
In 2015 He didn't start Donaghy and took off James O'Donoghue. They were huge calls in that game because they did have a chance that day in the rain to beat them.
In 2016 semi final he took off Paul Geaney who scored 1-4 in that game and brought on Marc O'Se with the game there for the taking. Again a huge call. They all backfired on him.
I think that when games were in the balance and games were close his decisions were baffling. Under pressure I think he panicked and couldn't deal with it. You could talk about his tactics against Mayo last year and keeping Shane Enright on Andy Moran for so long too but whatever it is what it is now.
Bringing back Jack is a bad idea. We saw where our u20s went. I think we would be going backwards.
I would love to see Pat O'Shea get another shot but I doubt he would be interested in it. You never know though.
Peter Keane has proven himself at Underage level but we don't know for sure how he would do at Senior level.
Liam Kerins has experience but that does not mean he could do the Kerry job.
I don't know really it might be time to look outside the County. It is something to think about.
I would not give them 6 years though. 2 year deal and see after that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 13:00:48 GMT
Liam Kearns as Kerry manager would set us back 10 years. Peter Keane is very much an unknown quantity and is a big gamble but maybe the best option available.
Pat o shea would be the best option but he may feel he has already ticked that box.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 5, 2018 13:28:20 GMT
There’s a smell of ‘woe is me’ nonsense off that interview. Calls for patience yet he was given 6 years. He’s not gone because the supporters were overly demanding- I can take not winning an All Ireland this year but what I can accept as a Kerry supporter is: The lack of a kick out strategy- we are prob worst in the country at this aspect, genuinely the worst The chopping and changing of goalies Barking full back line decisions- Griffin, Shanahan arriving and disappearing all the time. Shambolic attempts to play a sweeper Inability to find a centre back or even train a lad to hold the centre Midfield that isn’t mobile enough and that has regressed And a forward line that has relied substantially on a 19 year old The conditioning of the team is below the level of our main competition and we can’t seen to tackle at all. In the first half yesterday- Kildare waltzed through and prob would have won but for the red card. Also the regular half time, and sometimes before half time, substitutions really showed the sign of a sideline who didn’t know what they were doing. That’s why he’s gone- not due to lack of patience of the supporters I think you have it "spot on" This is an honest and balanced post. I am at a loss to see why kickout issue was not addressed
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Post by pillar on Aug 5, 2018 13:44:26 GMT
Has to be Peter Keane
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 5, 2018 13:51:05 GMT
Be interesting to see if the new man gets the same free pass that EF got from his former team mates in print media
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 13:53:55 GMT
Will be more interesting if the new man wins anything.
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Post by piggott on Aug 5, 2018 13:57:42 GMT
Peter Keane with Donie Buckley. Based on his achievement with Legion in 2015 rather than minor successs. Final say on switches during games should be by majority not just decision of manager. Dwyer wasnt great at that, needed someone like Joe Keoghane, likewise JOC needed Johnny Culloty. He was missed 2009-2012.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 5, 2018 14:09:07 GMT
I wish Eamon all the best in his future endeavours.
He did his bit.
A new voice and new ideas are needed.
Hopefully the powers that be will get someone in ASAP as we need a strength and conditioning coach for the young lads for the winter months.
Interesting few weeks ahead.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 5, 2018 14:20:17 GMT
There’s a smell of ‘woe is me’ nonsense off that interview. Calls for patience yet he was given 6 years. He’s not gone because the supporters were overly demanding- I can take not winning an All Ireland this year but what I can accept as a Kerry supporter is: The lack of a kick out strategy- we are prob worst in the country at this aspect, genuinely the worst The chopping and changing of goalies Barking full back line decisions- Griffin, Shanahan arriving and disappearing all the time. Shambolic attempts to play a sweeper Inability to find a centre back or even train a lad to hold the centre Midfield that isn’t mobile enough and that has regressed And a forward line that has relied substantially on a 19 year old The conditioning of the team is below the level of our main competition and we can’t seen to tackle at all. In the first half yesterday- Kildare waltzed through and prob would have won but for the red card. Also the regular half time, and sometimes before half time, substitutions really showed the sign of a sideline who didn’t know what they were doing. That’s why he’s gone- not due to lack of patience of the supporters All too true - serious lack of coaching - wonder who was supposed to be the coach in the set up?
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