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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 15, 2018 15:54:41 GMT
Is it really beyond the bounds of possibility that a player may learn and improve?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Oct 15, 2018 16:02:29 GMT
I don't think Okunbor isn't a natural full back, Jason Foley would fall into that category. But he is quite tall and very tenacious. He has had good and bad games indeed, like all players, but has been very effective with the minors. As Whosinmidfield says he has played well at full back and would probably be used marking the opposition's target man. He is fast, and should be first to the breaking ball, strong and tall. I think he should be given some time with the panel and Keane will see quickly enough whether he will do well in the senior set up. Okunbor played very effectively in this year's U20 Munster final. He kept Cork's Mark Keane quiet enough. Despite Mark Keane being one of Cork's most promising prospects and a huge loss to them if he goes to the AFL. He is perhaps not the most natural full back, but I think he should be given a chance somewhere in the full back line.
This year's U20 team were perhaps unlucky not to get further than they did as they were missing some firepower with David Clifford and Sean O'Shea with the seniors. I hope Dylan Geaney, Paul Walsh and Paul O'Shea can be kept with the U20s this year as to me it is vital that we start winning titles at U20 level as well. Keane and O'Connor know each other well so I suppose they will make sure Kerry can be successful at both grades. We don't know yet who the minor manager will be, but I think there is a lot less pressure on them to do well this year after Kerry getting that illusive 5 in a row. Still hoping we can make it 6 in a row of minor titles, but it won't be easy.
Can Kerry win the league and perhaps win Sam? I think the talent is there and perhaps it is too early for them, but we are looking at a very exciting era with a new manager and a young team with plenty of medals in their back pockets.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 15, 2018 16:39:45 GMT
I don't think Okunbor isn't a natural full back, Jason Foley would fall into that category. But he is quite tall and very tenacious. He has had good and bad games indeed, like all players, but has been very effective with the minors. As Whosinmidfield says he has played well at full back and would probably be used marking the opposition's target man. He is fast, and should be first to the breaking ball, strong and tall. I think he should be given some time with the panel and Keane will see quickly enough whether he will do well in the senior set up. Okunbor played very effectively in this year's U20 Munster final. He kept Cork's Mark Keane quiet enough. Despite Mark Keane being one of Cork's most promising prospects and a huge loss to them if he goes to the AFL. He is perhaps not the most natural full back, but I think he should be given a chance somewhere in the full back line. This year's U20 team were perhaps unlucky not to get further than they did as they were missing some firepower with David Clifford and Sean O'Shea with the seniors. I hope Dylan Geaney, Paul Walsh and Paul O'Shea can be kept with the U20s this year as to me it is vital that we start winning titles at U20 level as well. Keane and O'Connor know each other well so I suppose they will make sure Kerry can be successful at both grades. We don't know yet who the minor manager will be, but I think there is a lot less pressure on them to do well this year after Kerry getting that illusive 5 in a row. Still hoping we can make it 6 in a row of minor titles, but it won't be easy. Can Kerry win the league and perhaps win Sam? I think the talent is there and perhaps it is too early for them, but we are looking at a very exciting era with a new manager and a young team with plenty of medals in their back pockets. What would you categorise as a natural full back? I think Stefan is a great last line of defence as he is so strong. One moment sticks out for me from the u20 Munster final. A ball was played across the square waiting to be tapped in. But Stefan caught it and a weaker player would have been shouldered over the line but he wasn't budged. I actually think Jason Foley is better at corner back. He has sometimes been exposed when playing full back. Anyway the days of the full back who doesn't move are gone. You need a big but mobile man there nowadays. As you say the only way to find out how good he is is to call him into training and if he does reasonably well then give him time in the league. Yes I agree about the u20s. Players should only be called up if they will start for the seniors. The only player near that this year is Diarmuid O'Connor but I think he should be left with u20s as he has a lot more developing to do. Dylan Geaney is actually minor again next year. He is a phenomenal talent who hopefully will keep progressing.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 15, 2018 16:42:39 GMT
Is it really beyond the bounds of possibility that a player may learn and improve? No but the easiest place to learn and improve is in your best position.
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Post by mandad on Oct 15, 2018 16:48:08 GMT
Arguably the most difficult position on the field to fill is fullback and today’s incumbents are challenged with a much different task than their counterparts of former times. Right now we are in need of shoring up that area of the team and the new management will have to deal with that. There are no obvious immediate solutions to the problems but in today’s game, there is a great need for players to be flexible and play the game as the team requires.
There is no question that the interest of the team comes first, but it also means that the players who have over the years developed their skills to be specialists in one particular position, are sometimes forced to play in a position they are not very comfortable in. Shifting midfielders into the fullback position has worked successfully for Kerry in the past and we are all familiar with some fine examples of that. These situations are quirks that pop up in a regimented game that traditionally loves clearly defined roles.
I’m not convinced that Jason Foley is best deployed in the full-back line. Jason is a fine footballer and athlete but not a natural full back. In my opinion, he is being played out of position, but it’s a role the player has grown into in minor and u21 and excelled at. But the step up and demands of senior championship football is a different kettle of fish. He has light feet and the quickness to reset his body which worked for him playing underage, but Jason has had a few awkward encounters with top class 14’s this season.
This is not a criticism of Jason and I expect a lot of people will be unhappy with such talk. It is merely a suggestion as to how he can contribute most to the team. Because of the athlete that he is and the balance that he has, I think he could be more profitably deployed in the middle third of the team – any position across the half-back line, or even midfield.
It may well be that the management will not be disposed to countenance such a suggestion. Now is the time, while we are waiting for Peter Keane to get all his ducks in a row, to have that conversation but it's quite likely that they will run Jason out at fullback again this year. Offering a solution to the fullback options is a different story.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 15, 2018 17:02:21 GMT
Is it really beyond the bounds of possibility that a player may learn and improve? I can recall Anthony Maher and Donnchadh Walsh being written off as no hopers on this forum when they started. The reality is that few inter county stalwarts players make an instant impression...the most obvious exceptions being Declan, Colm and David Clifford.
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Post by tonydorigo on Oct 16, 2018 7:56:46 GMT
Is it really beyond the bounds of possibility that a player may learn and improve? I can recall Anthony Maher and Donnchadh Walsh being written off as no hopers on this forum when they started. The reality is that few inter county stalwarts players make an instant impression...the most obvious exceptions being Declan, Colm and David Clifford. Even Declan had a hard time winning people over at the start!
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Post by tonydorigo on Oct 16, 2018 8:04:28 GMT
Arguably the most difficult position on the field to fill is fullback and today’s incumbents are challenged with a much different task than their counterparts of former times. Right now we are in need of shoring up that area of the team and the new management will have to deal with that. There are no obvious immediate solutions to the problems but in today’s game, there is a great need for players to be flexible and play the game as the team requires. There is no question that the interest of the team comes first, but it also means that the players who have over the years developed their skills to be specialists in one particular position, are sometimes forced to play in a position they are not very comfortable in. Shifting midfielders into the fullback position has worked successfully for Kerry in the past and we are all familiar with some fine examples of that. These situations are quirks that pop up in a regimented game that traditionally loves clearly defined roles. I’m not convinced that Jason Foley is best deployed in the full-back line. Jason is a fine footballer and athlete but not a natural full back. In my opinion, he is being played out of position, but it’s a role the player has grown into in minor and u21 and excelled at. But the step up and demands of senior championship football is a different kettle of fish. He has light feet and the quickness to reset his body which worked for him playing underage, but Jason has had a few awkward encounters with top class 14’s this season. This is not a criticism of Jason and I expect a lot of people will be unhappy with such talk. It is merely a suggestion as to how he can contribute most to the team. Because of the athlete that he is and the balance that he has, I think he could be more profitably deployed in the middle third of the team – any position across the half-back line, or even midfield. It may well be that the management will not be disposed to countenance such a suggestion. Now is the time, while we are waiting for Peter Keane to get all his ducks in a row, to have that conversation but it's quite likely that they will run Jason out at fullback again this year. Offering a solution to the fullback options is a different story. What 21 year old rookie full back would not have had trouble taming top class full forwards? Jason did exceptionally well in the Galway match in Croker on Comer and was unlucky to get hurt. He has the pace and athleticism to play in the full back line but the full back position is not what it used to be so having Jason as the inside man marking the other teams go to forward was a good baptism of fire and I think he will do well this year with another bit of conditioning on him and a year of experience under his belt. I doubt Jason would be suited to out the field but I can see your logic. He has tremendous pace and good footballing instincts. Would prefer to see Okunbar get a run out there to see if he can do damage and maybe see how Diarmuid O'Connor goes this year as well (could do with a bit of weight on him but a fine player). Okunbar has all the physical traits of a fine full back and we would be blessed to see him and Jason blossom into a physically imposing inside line.
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 16, 2018 12:35:28 GMT
There are a lot of people that need to get a grip. The only thing that Stefan has at the moment is potential. He was not a starter at minor level. He was part of a disappointing U20 team. He has not done anything at Co Championship level - even get 50/50 with a county panelist. Peter knows well that there are a lot more deserving of a place in the county squad than him.
He has a lot going for him. He is young, athletic, strong and has time on his side. He has shown flashes but he has to learns to be a more dominant player throughout the full game.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 16, 2018 13:06:01 GMT
There are a lot of people that need to get a grip. The only thing that Stefan has at the moment is potential. He was not a starter at minor level. He was part of a disappointing U20 team. He has not done anything at Co Championship level - even get 50/50 with a county panelist. Peter knows well that there are a lot more deserving of a place in the county squad than him. He has a lot going for him. He is young, athletic, strong and has time on his side. He has shown flashes but he has to learns to be a more dominant player throughout the full game. I agree wholeheartedly and believe that perspective is vital to these young players development; the best place Stefan/Dara Moynihan/Gavin O'Brien/Conor Geaney et all can learn is in the county leagues provided the Kerry squad members are not cocooned as they have been in recent years - nothing beats playing for your club - if Stefan is coming up against the likes of Tommy Walsh/Barry O'Sullivan on a regular basis we will know what he is made of - by all means include them in training squads but release them to their clubs for regular meaningful games.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Oct 16, 2018 13:11:55 GMT
With all the retirements the squad is definitely due a shakeup and I am really looking forward to see what Peter Keane and co put out on the pitch.
How many players can we say are guaranteed starters going forward?
Clifford, Murphy and Paul Geaney probably. Maybe Moran??
Gavin White and Foley based on last year?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 16, 2018 13:21:38 GMT
With all the retirements the squad is definitely due a shakeup and I am really looking forward to see what Peter Keane and co put out on the pitch. How many players can we say are guaranteed starters going forward? Clifford, Murphy and Paul Geaney probably. Maybe Moran?? Gavin White and Foley based on last year? I would say Foley, Morley, Moran, Sean O'Shea, Clifford and Geaney.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 16, 2018 13:30:55 GMT
With all the retirements the squad is definitely due a shakeup and I am really looking forward to see what Peter Keane and co put out on the pitch. How many players can we say are guaranteed starters going forward? Clifford, Murphy and Paul Geaney probably. Maybe Moran?? Gavin White and Foley based on last year? In defence : Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White, Jason Foley, Paul Murphy. Midfield: David Moran Attack: Seán O’Shea, David Clifford, Paul Geaney. I think James O’Donoghue will be a feature too given how he performed for Legion when PK was in charge.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 16, 2018 13:49:35 GMT
With all the retirements the squad is definitely due a shakeup and I am really looking forward to see what Peter Keane and co put out on the pitch. How many players can we say are guaranteed starters going forward? Clifford, Murphy and Paul Geaney probably. Maybe Moran?? Gavin White and Foley based on last year? In defence : Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White, Jason Foley, Paul Murphy.Midfield: David Moran Attack: Seán O’Shea, David Clifford, Paul Geaney. I think James O’Donoghue will be a feature too given how he performed for Legion when PK was in charge. The backs you listed as "guaranteed" starters underlies the main issue Peter Keane and co will have with Kerry over the next few years. Having backs who can mark a few top notch opposition forwards. The lads you mentioned are all more comfortable going the other way really.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Oct 16, 2018 13:57:23 GMT
In defence : Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White, Jason Foley, Paul Murphy.Midfield: David Moran Attack: Seán O’Shea, David Clifford, Paul Geaney. I think James O’Donoghue will be a feature too given how he performed for Legion when PK was in charge. The backs you listed as "guaranteed" starters underlies the main issue Peter Keane and co will have with Kerry over the next few years. Having backs who can mark a few top notch opposition forwards. The lads you mentioned are all more comfortable going the other way really. Would you say Tom O'Sullivan is a definite starter. Based on what?Just curious.. He played well in Monaghan and a dead rubber against Kildare. I dont even know if Murphy is a starter in the backs. Wouldnt say Morely is either but they could be by default as we have no one better.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 16, 2018 14:09:33 GMT
The backs you listed as "guaranteed" starters underlies the main issue Peter Keane and co will have with Kerry over the next few years. Having backs who can mark a few top notch opposition forwards. The lads you mentioned are all more comfortable going the other way really. Would you say Tom O'Sullivan is a definite starter. Based on what?Just curious.. He played well in Monaghan and a dead rubber against Kildare. I dont even know if Murphy is a starter in the backs. Wouldnt say Morely is either but they could be by default as we have no one better. Tom O’Sullivan, as you say played well in the Monaghan & Kildare games but has been excellent for Dingle in county championship too - versatile too which is a must in modern game; one of the paciest guys in the game.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 16, 2018 14:24:37 GMT
The backs you listed as "guaranteed" starters underlies the main issue Peter Keane and co will have with Kerry over the next few years. Having backs who can mark a few top notch opposition forwards. The lads you mentioned are all more comfortable going the other way really. Would you say Tom O'Sullivan is a definite starter. Based on what?Just curious.. He played well in Monaghan and a dead rubber against Kildare. I dont even know if Murphy is a starter in the backs. Wouldnt say Morely is either but they could be by default as we have no one better. Where do people think Paul Murphy would be best utilised next year? In my opinion it's at wing forward. He is a bit small for the backs but aswell as that I don't think he is an out and out defender and can be exposed when asked to defend against a top quality attacker. I think his qualities would be better served as a very busy type of wing forward. Picking up breaks, tracking back and bursting forward. And anyway it's not like our half forward is extremely difficult to break into. Sean O'Shea is a guaranteed starter in my opinion but the 2 wing forward positions are up for grabs. I know some people will feel very strongly about this but I think it is a topic that should be discussed because he is one of our best players and it is important to utilise him correctly.
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Post by tonydorigo on Oct 16, 2018 14:49:11 GMT
Depth chart: 1. Murphy/Kelly/Ryan?? 2. Begley/O'Sullivan 3. Foley/Griffin/Okunbar 4. Shanahan/Enright 5. White/Graham O'Sullivan/Mike Breen 6. Morley/Gavin Crowley/ Daniel O'Brien 7. Murphy/p. Crowley/ Killian Young 8. David Moran/ Barry O'Sullivan 9. Jack Barry/Eanna O'Conchuir/Diarmuid O'Connor (??) 10. Micheal Burns/Kevin McCarthy/ Johnny Buckley (??) 11. Sean O'Shea/ Daithi Casey/Paudi Clifford 12. Stephen O'Brien/ Dara Moynihan/Adrian Spillane 13. David Clifford/Tony Brosnan/ Killian Spillane 14. Paul Geaney/ Tommy Walsh (??) 15. James O'Donoghue/Barry John Keane
There is good squad depth there in theory but then again communism works in theory!! Lot of other young players who could be brought in. Any other thoughts on players or potential bolters?
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 16, 2018 15:13:53 GMT
Depth chart: 1. Murphy/Kelly/Ryan?? 2. Begley/O'Sullivan 3. Foley/Griffin/Okunbar 4. Shanahan/Enright 5. White/Graham O'Sullivan/Mike Breen 6. Morley/Gavin Crowley/ Daniel O'Brien 7. Murphy/p. Crowley/ Killian Young 8. David Moran/ Barry O'Sullivan 9. Jack Barry/Eanna O'Conchuir/Diarmuid O'Connor (??) 10. Micheal Burns/Kevin McCarthy/ Johnny Buckley (??) 11. Sean O'Shea/ Daithi Casey/Paudi Clifford 12. Stephen O'Brien/ Dara Moynihan/Adrian Spillane 13. David Clifford/Tony Brosnan/ Killian Spillane 14. Paul Geaney/ Tommy Walsh (??) 15. James O'Donoghue/Barry John Keane There is good squad depth there in theory but then again communism works in theory!! Lot of other young players who could be brought in. Any other thoughts on players or potential bolters? I think a new broom sweeps clean kind of approach and would not expect to see the following in the picture: 1. Kelly - expect Kealy to step back in 3. Griffin 4. Shanahan 6. Gavin Crowley 7. Killian - rumoured he is about to retire from inter county 10. Buckley 11 Casey/ Paudie Clifford 12. Adrian Spillane 14. Tommy - nearly ruled out a return in recent podcast 15. Barry John Bolters: Conor Keane - PK got the best out of him for Legion, back playing well. Liam Carey Gavin O’Brien - has been one of the stand out players in the county championships Conor Geaney - once he recovers from injury Mitch Foley - good defender David Shaw: Has been playing well for Crokes - tall, rangy, can score.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 16, 2018 15:24:01 GMT
Depth chart: 1. Murphy/Kelly/Ryan?? 2. Begley/O'Sullivan 3. Foley/Griffin/Okunbar 4. Shanahan/Enright 5. White/Graham O'Sullivan/Mike Breen 6. Morley/Gavin Crowley/ Daniel O'Brien 7. Murphy/p. Crowley/ Killian Young 8. David Moran/ Barry O'Sullivan 9. Jack Barry/Eanna O'Conchuir/Diarmuid O'Connor (??) 10. Micheal Burns/Kevin McCarthy/ Johnny Buckley (??) 11. Sean O'Shea/ Daithi Casey/Paudi Clifford 12. Stephen O'Brien/ Dara Moynihan/Adrian Spillane 13. David Clifford/Tony Brosnan/ Killian Spillane 14. Paul Geaney/ Tommy Walsh (??) 15. James O'Donoghue/Barry John Keane There is good squad depth there in theory but then again communism works in theory!! Lot of other young players who could be brought in. Any other thoughts on players or potential bolters? I think a new broom sweeps clean kind of approach and would not expect to see the following in the picture: 1. Kelly - expect Kealy to step back in 3. Griffin 4. Shanahan 6. Gavin Crowley 7. Killian - rumoured he is about to retire from inter county 10. Buckley 11 Casey/ Paudie Clifford 12. Adrian Spillane 14. Tommy - nearly ruled out a return in recent podcast 15. Barry John Bolters: Conor Keane - PK got the best out of him for Legion, back playing well. Liam Carey Gavin O’Brien - has been one of the stand out players in the county championships Conor Geaney - once he recovers from injury Mitch Foley - good defender David Shaw: Has been playing well for Crokes - tall, rangy, can score. Surely Gavin Crowley and Ronan Shanahan will be involved. Both are relatively young and are in a position we aren't stacked in.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 16, 2018 15:37:05 GMT
The backs you listed as "guaranteed" starters underlies the main issue Peter Keane and co will have with Kerry over the next few years. Having backs who can mark a few top notch opposition forwards. The lads you mentioned are all more comfortable going the other way really. Would you say Tom O'Sullivan is a definite starter. Based on what?Just curious.. He played well in Monaghan and a dead rubber against Kildare. I dont even know if Murphy is a starter in the backs. Wouldnt say Morely is either but they could be by default as we have no one better. Not sure if you were directing that question at me. But here goes. I would consider Tom one of the top 6 backs in the county from what I have seen of him at minor, Under 21, club and the games he was fit for last summer. I would also rate Gavin White as one of the top 6 backs in the county. I believe the jury remains out on Foley at the moment. He was good against Cork and Galway in the championship but was troubled a lot in the two games against Kildare and the league games against Galway and Donegal especially. In his defence, him playing out midfield against the latter didnt help and him playing with 60 yards of space in front of him against the former didnt help. Where to play Paul Murphy is a conundrum but he would be on my starting 15 either in the half back or half forward line. It depends on the opposition where you'd play him in reality.
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Post by glengael on Oct 16, 2018 16:47:21 GMT
Donnachadh, Darren, Donaghy and Maher gone in a fell swoop. Somewhat similar to 2006 with Moynihan, Mike Mc, and Fitzmaurice having left or en route for the door by the time 2007 was taking shape...
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 16, 2018 19:03:12 GMT
The following is the list of who played in the championship this year, the number of minutes and the number of games each featured in.
1 Paul Murphy 350 5 2 Peter Crowley 350 5 3 Gavin White 347 5 4 David Moran 337 5 5 Paul Geaney 330 5 6 David Clifford 325 5 7 Seán Ó Sé 320 5 8 Jack Barry 318 5 9 Stephen O’Brien 303 5 10 Jason Foley 246 4 11 James O’Donoghue 218 5 12 Shane Murphy 210 3 13 Micheál Burns 192 5 14 Kevin McCarthy 181 4 15 Tom O'Sullivan 174 3 16 Tadhg Morley 145 3 17 Brian Kelly 140 2 18 Brian O'Beaglaoich 138 5 19 Ronan Shanahan 127 2 20 Kieran Donaghy 126 4 21 Killian Young 99 3 22 Mark Griffin 74 3 23 Darren O'Sullivan 73 4 24 Anthony Maher 48 4 25 Barry John Keane 35 3 26 Mikey Geaney 24 1 27 Donnchadh Walsh 6 1 28 Fionn Fitzgerald 2 1
The amount of games/times the four retirees played in the championship this year was.
20 Kieran Donaghy 126 4 23 Darren O'Sullivan 73 4 24 Anthony Maher 48 4 27 Donnchadh Walsh 6 1
The 253 combined minutes they played was less than 5% of the total championship minutes.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 16, 2018 19:19:42 GMT
The following is the number of championship starts each player got this year
1 David Clifford 5 2 David Moran 5 3 Gavin White 5 4 Jack Barry 5 5 Paul Geaney 5 6 Paul Murphy 5 7 Peter Crowley 5 8 Seán Ó Sé 5 9 Stephen O’Brien 5 10 Jason Foley 4 11 James O’Donoghue 3 12 Micheál Burns 3 13 Shane Murphy 3 14 Brian O'Beaglaoich 2 15 Kevin McCarthy 2 16 Kieran Donaghy 2 17 Brian Kelly 2 18 Tadhg Morley 2 19 Tom O'Sullivan 2 20 Ronan Shanahan 2 21 Killian Young 2 22 Mark Griffin 1
The four retirees only had 2 starts in total between them, with Donaghy getting both of those.
Even though there is a new manager in place, I think that next year it will be a case of more evolution than revolution in terms of the squad makeup. David Clifford, Gavin White, Sean O'Se, Jason Foley, Michael Burns, Shane Murphy and Ronan Shanahan all made their senior championship debut this year so while there is likely to be changes I really doubt its going to be wholesale.
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Post by john4 on Oct 16, 2018 19:52:42 GMT
I'd like to see Kevin McCarthy tried out in the half back line, he ticks a lot of the boxes for me there, he's strong, fast and not easy to get by, when he came on for the second half of the Kildare game center back he looked comfortable there, and twould have to be in him, With a bit of coaching in the position he'd get on fine.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 16, 2018 20:34:23 GMT
Could Kealy return? Is that on the cards?
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Post by Deise Exile on Oct 16, 2018 21:14:32 GMT
Only a brave man would bet on the first 15 for the opening league and championship outing this year. You would have to be nervous as well as excited. My biggest fear is midfield. Jack Barry took a serious step backwards this year. I hope he can prove himself up to it next year. I really think Mark Griffin should be tried there. We really don't have too many options and Monaghan game proved he's not a full back
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 16, 2018 21:18:12 GMT
Could Kealy return? Is that on the cards? My money is on Bryan Sheehan.
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Post by bannerman on Oct 16, 2018 21:21:29 GMT
Why is David Moran considered a definite starter? What has he done last few years He is an enigma, slows up play too much As mentioned above Jack Barry needs get back to form
Would like to see Mike Breen, Graham sullivan and Gavin Crowley get serious league time Diarmuid o connor for midfield or half forward Would like see bit more killian spillane also
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 16, 2018 21:22:05 GMT
Would you say Tom O'Sullivan is a definite starter. Based on what?Just curious.. He played well in Monaghan and a dead rubber against Kildare. I dont even know if Murphy is a starter in the backs. Wouldnt say Morely is either but they could be by default as we have no one better. Not sure if you were directing that question at me. But here goes. I would consider Tom one of the top 6 backs in the county from what I have seen of him at minor, Under 21, club and the games he was fit for last summer. I would also rate Gavin White as one of the top 6 backs in the county. I believe the jury remains out on Foley at the moment. He was good against Cork and Galway in the championship but was troubled a lot in the two games against Kildare and the league games against Galway and Donegal especially. In his defence, him playing out midfield against the latter didnt help and him playing with 60 yards of space in front of him against the former didnt help. Where to play Paul Murphy is a conundrum but he would be on my starting 15 either in the half back or half forward line. It depends on the opposition where you'd play him in reality. Fully agree re Tom Sullivan. Don't agree re the jury on Foley............
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