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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2018 13:54:03 GMT
That preliminary round draw should be between the worst performing divisional sides. It’s between the worst performing divisional sides over the previous 5 years Better. Five is better than one in fairness. Three might be best.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 3, 2018 14:48:06 GMT
How have Shannon Ranger performed over the last 5 years? Didnt they make a semi/quarter final one year? Still surprised that they are ahead of West Kerry
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Post by clarinman on Sept 3, 2018 15:28:42 GMT
It’s between the worst performing divisional sides over the previous 5 years Better. Five is better than one in fairness. There might be best. West Kerry had an Ghaeltacht the last few years. Last year 13 Ghaeltacht players started the county semi-final for West Kerry. They are much weaker this year with just Annascaul, Lispole and Castlegregory. A look back at the last 5 years does not give a true reflection of the strength of this years West Kerry team. Similarly Kenmare would have a high ranking after reaching the final 2 years ago but they are much weaker now since Kenmare shamrocks went senior. East Kerry are much stronger this year with Kilcummin rejoining them but Kilcummin will be senior again next year. Maybe the fairest way is to rotate the 2 teams that play in the preliminary round each year.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2018 16:06:29 GMT
I don't know is that the correct approach either. You could have East Kerry vs South Kerry.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 3, 2018 16:34:28 GMT
I don't know is that the correct approach either. You could have East Kerry vs South Kerry. Imagine a two championship approach - club and divisional. Killarney Division with Crokes, Legion & Spa. Tralee Division with Stacks, Mitchels, Rahillys and Na Gael. Bit like the U16 (or is it u14) Divisional championship - could give you some cracking games and would be a step up from club with regard to building a Kerry team. The constant changes of Divisions with clubs going solo one year and being part of a division another makes the Divisional scene difficult to manage.
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Post by piggott on Sept 3, 2018 16:41:53 GMT
There should only be one County Championship and all the best players in the County should be able to compete in it. Whether they come from a big urban club or a small rural club. Hence the divisional teams. If players dont want to compete in the County Championship that is their choice!
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 3, 2018 16:47:46 GMT
There should only be one County Championship and all the best players in the County should be able to compete in it. Whether they come from a big urban club or a small rural club. Hence the divisional teams. If players dont want to compete in the County Championship that is their choice! <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.720000000000027px; height: 3.5600000000000023px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_62177601" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56224398" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1074848" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_21769967" scrolling="no"></iframe> That is the theory at least - but in practice it does not always work. Super divisions with 8/9 clubs denys players the very opportunity that divisions were created to achieve. There needs to be some mechanism for managing divisions that is fair - my gripe is particularly focussed at minor and u21 level divisional sides. Conversely when a "weak" division loses its mainstay (e.g. West Kerry losing Gaeltacht) is makes a mockery of the qualifier round where a stronger side can lose out.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Sept 3, 2018 16:53:18 GMT
What are the dates and venues for this weekends games
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 3, 2018 17:00:31 GMT
There should only be one County Championship and all the best players in the County should be able to compete in it. Whether they come from a big urban club or a small rural club. Hence the divisional teams. If players dont want to compete in the County Championship that is their choice! <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.720000000000027px; height: 3.5600000000000023px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_62177601" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56224398" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1074848" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_21769967" scrolling="no"></iframe> That is the theory at least - but in practice it does not always work. Super divisions with 8/9 clubs denys players the very opportunity that divisions were created to achieve. There needs to be some mechanism for managing divisions that is fair - my gripe is particularly focussed at minor and u21 level divisional sides. Conversely when a "weak" division loses its mainstay (e.g. West Kerry losing Gaeltacht) is makes a mockery of the qualifier round where a stronger side can lose out. It might be less the constituent clubs and more the level of organisation and commitment that determines how a divisional side goes.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 3, 2018 17:54:32 GMT
What are the dates and venues for this weekends games CCC are meeting tonight to finalize the fixtures.
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Post by piggott on Sept 3, 2018 19:30:13 GMT
<iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.720000000000027px; height: 3.5600000000000023px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_62177601" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56224398" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1074848" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_21769967" scrolling="no"></iframe> That is the theory at least - but in practice it does not always work. Super divisions with 8/9 clubs denys players the very opportunity that divisions were created to achieve. There needs to be some mechanism for managing divisions that is fair - my gripe is particularly focussed at minor and u21 level divisional sides. Conversely when a "weak" division loses its mainstay (e.g. West Kerry losing Gaeltacht) is makes a mockery of the qualifier round where a stronger side can lose out. It might be less the constituent clubs and more the level of organisation and commitment that determines how a divisional side goes.
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Post by piggott on Sept 3, 2018 19:39:50 GMT
Feale Rangers and Shannon Rangers are a joke. North Kerry Board should fund and properly organise one team to represent them. At all levels. Then the standard might improve.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 4, 2018 8:24:23 GMT
Round 2A Mid Kerry V Legion - Sat @ 5.30 in Killorglin Sth Kerry V Stacks - Sun @ 2.30 in Caherciveen E Kerry V Dingle - Sun @ 2.00 in Fitzgerald Std - double header Crokes V KOR - Sun @ 3.45 in Fitzgerald Std - double header Round 2B Rathmore V Kenmare S'rocks - Sat @ 5.30 in Rathmore Shn Rgs V St Brendans - Sat @ 5.30 in Ballylongford Gaeltacht V Kenmare Dist - Sat @ 5.30 in Gallarus Feale Rgs V St Kierans - Sun @ 2.30 in Listowel
Extra Time in all games if level after normal time
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Post by buck02 on Sept 7, 2018 20:30:16 GMT
Round 2A Mid Kerry V Legion - Sat @ 5.30 in Killorglin Sth Kerry V Stacks - Sun @ 2.30 in Caherciveen E Kerry V Dingle - Sun @ 2.00 in Fitzgerald Std - double header Crokes V KOR - Sun @ 3.45 in Fitzgerald Std - double header Round 2B Rathmore V Kenmare S'rocks - Sat @ 5.30 in Rathmore Shn Rgs V St Brendans - Sat @ 5.30 in Ballylongford Gaeltacht V Kenmare Dist - Sat @ 5.30 in Gallarus Feale Rgs V St Kierans - Sun @ 2.30 in Listowel Extra Time in all games if level after normal time Few tasty ties this weekend that could go either way, Mid Kerry v Legion, South Kerry v Stacks, East Kerry v Single could all go either way. Will go for: Mid Kerry South Kerry East Kerry Crokes Rathmore Brendan's Gaeltacht Kierans
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Post by sambo on Sept 8, 2018 16:17:16 GMT
Has anyone any idea of timetable for the county championship. i.e What are dates for semi finals and final?
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 8, 2018 19:22:16 GMT
Has anyone any idea of timetable for the county championship. i.e What are dates for semi finals and final? 1/4 finals 29/30th Sept, semis 14th Oct, final 28th Oct.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 8, 2018 19:27:59 GMT
Mid Kerry 2-09 2-13 Killarney Legion An Ghaeltacht 2-18 0-05 Kenmare District Shannon Rangers 0-16 6-11 St Brendans Rathmore 0-17 0-15 Kenmare Shamrocks
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 8, 2018 19:35:26 GMT
Impressive win by Killarney Legion. Apparently Conor Keane was excellent. Are they dark horses for this competition?
Kenmare District out with only 11 points scored in 2 games. Very disappointing with the amount of lads who'd have been in and around county panels the last couple of years.
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Post by bannerman on Sept 8, 2018 19:35:31 GMT
Should the county champ be discontinued ? Concentrate on a better organised club champ with more games County players on the weaker divisional teams have voted with their feet last two weekends. If they don't see the point of it all where the competition going ??
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Post by bannerman on Sept 8, 2018 19:37:23 GMT
Massive win by legion but would be surprised if they make semis
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Post by Premier on Sept 9, 2018 8:37:30 GMT
Are Kenmare relegated as the only club to lose their first two games?
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Post by southward on Sept 9, 2018 8:45:11 GMT
Mid Kerry 2-09 2-13 Killarney Legion An Ghaeltacht 2-18 0-05 Kenmare District Shannon Rangers 0-16 6-11 St Brendans Rathmore 0-17 0-15 Kenmare Shamrocks That's an odd scoreline. SR hit just one score fewer and still lost by 13 points. Anyone at this game?
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 9, 2018 9:46:51 GMT
Are Kenmare relegated as the only club to lose their first two games? No, relegation is based on senior club championship ; Kenmare will play off with An Ghaeltacht to see who drops down to intermediate ranks - they finished bottom of their respective groups in April; this game will be played in conjunction with county championship as soon as An Ghaeltacht exit the competition - Ghaeltacht would have to make this years final to avoid that scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 16:31:21 GMT
Good win for O'Rahilly's. No excuses O'Rahilly's deserving winners. I think they will have to improve but showed great heart and desire to get back in it.
Interesting now.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 9, 2018 16:33:46 GMT
Good win for O'Rahilly's. No excuses O'Rahilly's deserving winners. I think they will have to improve but showed great heart and desire to get back in it. Interesting now. Fair play for taking it like this. Any chance of a match report for those of us who didn’t see it- seems to have bed a cracker. Updates on radio kerry and kerry GAA Twitter were shambolic so impossible to get a proper read on the match
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Post by ballhopper34 on Sept 9, 2018 17:14:46 GMT
Competition thus far:
Preliminary Round (loser exits the competition)
St. Brendan’s 0-16 West Kerry 1-9
Round 1 (16 teams, Open Draw, winners to Round 2A, losers to Round 2B)
South Kerry 1-14 Kenmare Shamrocks 0-13; Killarney Legion 2-14 Rathmore 2-12; Mid Kerry 2-14 An Ghaeltacht 0-10; Dr. Crokes 1-18 St. Kieran’s 2-13; East Kerry 4-20 St. Brendan’s 2-11; Kerins O’Rahilly’s 3-15 Feale Rangers 0-16; Austin Stacks 2-22 Kenmare District 0-6; Dingle 3-18 Shannon Rangers 0-9.
Round 2A (Winners from Rd 1, 8 teams, Open Draw, winners go to quarter final, losers go to Round 3)
Killarney Legion 2-13 Mid Kerry 2-9; East Kerry 6-16 Dingle 2-10; Kerins O’Rahilly’s 3-18 Dr. Crokes 2-16; Austin Stacks 4-7 South Kerry 1-15.
Round 2B (Losers from Rd 1, 8 teams, Open Draw, winners to Rd 3, losers exit the competition)
Rathmore 0-17 Kenmare Shamrocks 0-15; An Ghaeltacht 2-18 Kenmare District 0-5; St Kieran’s 1-14 Feale Rangers 1-13; St Brendan’s 6-11 Shannon Rangers 0-16.
Round 3 - 2A Losers v 2B winners (avoid repeat games), losers exit the competition
South Kerry v Rathmore; Mid Kerry v St. Brendan’s; Dr. Crokes v An Ghaeltacht; Dingle v St. Kieran’s
Quarter Finals – Rd 2A Winners v Rd 3 Winners (4 v 4)
Seeded Draw: 2A Winners in one bowl and Rd 3 Winners in separate bowl. Avoid repeat games if possible
Killarney Legion East Kerry Kerins O’Rahilly’s Austin Stacks
Semi-finals – Quarter Final winners (open draw)
Final – Semi Final winners
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 17:20:28 GMT
Crokes were better team for most of the game but O'Rahilly's never gave up. They hung in there. Brian Looney and David Shaw got first half goals and Crokes were winning by 10 points at one stage.
Barry John Kaeane Jack Savage and Tommy Walsh were good and they kept O'Rahilly's in it. With about 15 mins left Crokes were winning by about 7 points and looked like they would hang on but Tommy Walsh scored a goal and it changed the whole game.
They never looked back and dominated the last 10 or 11 minutes. Ross O'Callaghan was also good for O'Rahilly's. Crokes played poorly. They just didn't look up for it. They looked a tired team. I think they have strolled through the County League the last two years and have lost their edge. Doesn't look good for them now will need to play a lot better from now on.
Good win for O'Rahilly's but they played poorly in patches too can't leave a team like East Kerry go 10 points clear and come back like they did today.
East Kerry look the team now but you never know.
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Post by mandad on Sept 9, 2018 17:47:04 GMT
Crokes were better team for most of the game but O'Rahilly's never gave up. They hung in there. Brian Looney and David Shaw got first half goals and Crokes were winning by 10 points at one stage. Barry John Kaeane Jack Savage and Tommy Walsh were good and they kept O'Rahilly's in it. With about 15 mins left Crokes were winning by about 7 points and looked like they would hang on but Tommy Walsh scored a goal and it changed the whole game. They never looked back and dominated the last 10 or 11 minutes. Ross O'Callaghan was also good for O'Rahilly's. Crokes played poorly. They just didn't look up for it. They looked a tired team. I think they have strolled through the County League the last two years and have lost their edge. Doesn't look good for them now will need to play a lot better from now on. Good win for O'Rahilly's but they played poorly in patches too can't leave a team like East Kerry go 10 points clear and come back like they did today. East Kerry look the team now but you never know. Enjoyable afternoon in Fitzgerald Stadium. But when are they going to sort out the scoreboard? Several people around me today were writing down the scores themselves but there wasn't agreement between them either. Kerry Radio got it wrong and it’s even possible that the players were confused. I know that efforts have been made to repair it but at this stage, it is probably better to replace it. Not good enough on any level.
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Post by southward on Sept 9, 2018 17:49:23 GMT
Feale Rangers somewhat unlucky to go down by a point to Kierans today. Only went behind for the first time in the last minute, despite being down to 14 men for 3/4 of the game. Some off the ball shenanigans, which I didn't see, led to Cormac Mulvihill and his marker both getting the customary yellow, only for Mulvihill then to be shown a red as well. I'm pretty sure nobody had been booked up to then so I don't know what that was about.
Rangers looked the hungrier side throughout and led 0-8 to 0-7 at the break, three late frees by O'Ciardubháin bringing Kierans back into it. Goal and a point for FR early in the 2nd half gave a decent lead again. Kierans were 4 points down with 5 minutes to go when they pounced for a goal. Rangers were tiring by now and couldn't hang on, Kierans scoring the winning point in the 33rd minute of the half.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 9, 2018 18:24:56 GMT
Decided at the last minute not to go to Killarney and am kicking myself now.
I wonder how will Crokes respond to that? Fair play to Rahillys, a big monkey off their backs.
East Kerry look the team to beat. Very strong forward line. Experience on the line will also be required to win it out however.
On the scoreboard in Killarney, surely it wouldn't be too difficult for the Stadium committee to find a business in Killarney to sponsor a new one.
According to the reports on Radio Kerry it was a cracking game in Caherciveen too. And another close game in Listowel. Just what this championship needed.
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