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Post by rovingfullforward on Oct 30, 2018 12:13:18 GMT
Great to see the Dr Crokes on top on the pile with 13 titles now - without a doubt now the greatest club in Kerry.
8 titles each for Gooch and Eoin Brosnan is an incredible return for them (2000, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017 & now 2018)
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 30, 2018 15:17:17 GMT
Crokes are a great tight knit club and they deserve their success.
Its hard now for the other senior clubs in Kerry like Dingle, KOR, Stacks etc to keep going but the tide will turn eventually.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 30, 2018 15:35:27 GMT
That Dingle team could stay together for another five years at least.
I understand that there isn't much more coming up after this crop. Open to correction on that.
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Post by peanuts on Oct 30, 2018 17:14:53 GMT
That Dingle team could stay together for another five years at least. I understand that there isn't much more coming up after this crop. Open to correction on that. There was at least 4 and possibly 5 from Dingle on the extended minor panel this year (with 2 on the starting team)so they do have some talent coming through. They are short of numbers in the age groups below this alright with quite low numbers in the primary school.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 30, 2018 18:04:49 GMT
That Dingle team could stay together for another five years at least. I understand that there isn't much more coming up after this crop. Open to correction on that. There was at least 4 and possibly 5 from Dingle on the extended minor panel this year (with 2 on the starting team)so they do have some talent coming through. They are short of numbers in the age groups below this alright with quite low numbers in the primary school. Your final sentence is what I was referring to.
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Post by glengael on Oct 30, 2018 18:50:18 GMT
Crokes have set the bench mark for Kerry Co C'ship for the past decade or so and no club or division has consistently matched them at that level. Coupled with East Kerry's dominance at minor level, it could be argued that the balance of power is now firmly tilted East. What does all this mean for Kerry football at County wide level? Not inter county but within the county... It will be interesting to see how Crokes fare out in Munster this year. The Barr's collected their 1st Cork County title since 1985 yesterday, hard to believe that a city club could go so long in the doldrums. With a Kerryman on the line, it will be a new adventure for them in Munster. It means that after a decade of intensive rural depopulation, especially that of young men, one of the most populoud areas of the county (Killarney & it’s hinterland) is doing well. It’s a natural conclusion- areas like the north & south kerry districts have lost a generation of players and have thusly fallen off- especially the north kerry districts. Tralee is the 2nd town of Munster in terms of population (behind Ennis) as per Census 2016. The 18-24 age group was falling in Kerry even in 2011 Census, so the effects of that established decline and emigration post 2009 will be felt across the county. Clearly in some areas more than others.
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Post by whacker on Oct 30, 2018 21:53:28 GMT
There was at least 4 and possibly 5 from Dingle on the extended minor panel this year (with 2 on the starting team)so they do have some talent coming through. They are short of numbers in the age groups below this alright with quite low numbers in the primary school. Your final sentence is what I was referring to. God forbid
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Post by dc84 on Oct 31, 2018 8:16:03 GMT
Best of luck to the crokes in munster and beyond (hopefully)
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 2, 2018 19:12:13 GMT
Crokes are a great tight knit club and they deserve their success. Its hard now for the other senior clubs in Kerry like Dingle, KOR, Stacks etc to keep going but the tide will turn eventually. South Kerry after winning 4 in a decade needed to be disbanded but Crokes winning 7 in a decade with loose town boundaries stretching from Kilcummin to beyond Kemmare, their dominance will pass?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 2, 2018 21:50:59 GMT
A club that wins the county championship should not be allowed take players from other clubs for a specified number of years after winning a county title ..in the interests of trying to see the title spread around a bit.
I have made this suggestion previously.
The likes of Dingle and Legion and Rathmore , KOR and Stacks etc need to have hope of winning a county title.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 22:50:30 GMT
Crokes are a great tight knit club and they deserve their success. Its hard now for the other senior clubs in Kerry like Dingle, KOR, Stacks etc to keep going but the tide will turn eventually. South Kerry after winning 4 in a decade needed to be disbanded but Crokes winning 7 in a decade with loose town boundaries stretching from Kilcummin to beyond Kemmare, their dominance will pass? Crokes are the biggest club in the richest town in the county. It is all a bit inevitable.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 3, 2018 9:10:46 GMT
Rural GAA clubs battling to avoid the final whistle FacebookTwitterMessengerLinkedInWhatsAppMore Saturday, November 03, 2018 - 07:00 AM By John Fogarty GAA Correspondent
Hear the one about the 51-year-old lining out in the South Kerry football championship?
Well, he’s 52 now and will do so again for Valentia Young Islanders today in Chapeltown.
It’s a story that should warm the heart but instead it is a tale which is a reflection of the GAA wasteland that South Kerry is becoming, a veritable no country for young men.
“We would be struggling without him,” says Valentia chairperson Deirdre Lyne of their elder saviour.
“The U17 rule is crippling rural clubs. They talk about burnout - it’s not the club player that is being burnt out; it’s the player on the development squad, the Kerry south division side, the county and he’s the lead player in his school. But the club footballer is getting no football.
“They talk about welfare, I think it’s a lot more dangerous to be playing a 52-year-old in senior football than a 17-year-old. He’s a very fit 52-year-old and without him we’d be in trouble.”
Waterville won’t be showing them much sympathy today, not when they and so many others in South Kerry have similar tales of woe.
As the area’s principal town, Cahirciveen should be better off but St Mary’s have their troubles also.
“The biggest problem in South Kerry is depopulation and to be honest I don’t think the parish rule is going to matter a whole pile in South Kerry in a few more years,” remarks former chairman Mossie Coffey.
“Club are amalgamating and where you had 10, 12 clubs in the 1980s and 90s you’re down to every club amalgamating now at under-age.
“Other parts of the county have problems catering for numbers; our problem down there is getting numbers.
“Coláiste (na Sceilge) opened 20 years ago and the numbers were north of 800. Now they’re north of 400.
“There are no youngsters. In Caherciveen, when we were growing up on New Street there were 100 kids. In that section now, there’s no more than half a dozen. We haven’t been competing and won’t be competing at under-age level in the last number of years and we won’t be because they aren’t there.”
Envious eyes are directed towards Dr Crokes and Austin Stacks who it was claimed recently have as many registered players as 20 other clubs put together, but they too are experiencing difficulties.
House prices in Killarney and Tralee town are rising significantly with club members being forced to move outside the parish boundaries knowing their children will have to play for other clubs.
The parish rule, part of Kerry’s bye-laws, states that “a player may only play with a club in the parish” as defined in the GAA’s Official Guide.
There are exceptions - a person in permanent residence in a town of more than one club and/or parish shall be entitled to join any club in that town and a person in permanent residence in a county committee designated “open area” shall be entitled to join any club in that specified area.
Permanent residence in Kerry is now defined as living at a fixed address for 96 weeks. However, they are rarely exercised, Shane Murphy’s switch from Kilcummin to Dr. Crokes being the most recent significant example.
Despite their appearance in Sunday’s Kerry SFC final, the strength of Dingle’s tourism industry has also proven to be a difficulty for the club at under-age level. With a hold on property development in the town and a lack of long-term rentals because of the attractiveness of providing AirBnBs, it is becoming increasingly difficult for young families to establish themselves in the catchment area of the club.
“The town is paying for its own success, we’re paying for that in that people are having to move out because there is not enough housing in Dingle,” reports club chairman Paul Geaney Snr.
“Our numbers are low at certain age groups but in general that’s the same across the board because the decline of population in rural Ireland.
“There are certain age groups that are grand but we were in trouble at U16 last year. We had a bare minor team but we got over the line with it.
“Amalgamations are already happening but that carries its own problems because of certain clubs and old rivalries.
“Certain fellas in clubs wouldn’t be keen to co-operate, silly old stuff. But going forward we’re okay as a club.”
“There is a bit more land being developed and there will be more houses and rooms for tourism coming on board. That should open it up a little bit more for longer-term letting. There is a problem at U10 level but that’s down to the numbers more than anything else.”
At meetings organised by the county board, there has been a growing sentiment that the parish rule, which for so long had contributed to the strength of Kerry GAA, has now become an obstruction; that the 45 parishes in the county is no longer an accurate means of defining Kerry as a GAA county.
A relaxation of it looks to be on the cards but it’s a question of exactly which would be agreeable to both rural and town clubs.
“We can’t let it prevent lads playing football,” said one county board executive member. “That’s the bottom line.”
To that effect, Killarney Legion intend putting forward a motion to the forthcoming annual convention.
They have options. One is to emulate the rule in the GAA Official Guide specifically for Dublin where a player can declare for and join the club for whom either of his parents were a member of at the time of his birth (although it’s widely acknowledged no parish rule exists in the capital). That idea of a legacy exemption would appeal to those who have had to move out to the satellites villages and town of Kerry’s most urban areas.
The other being considered is Kerry following the example of Cork and using the parish rule more as a guideline than any hard rule.
The example of how Castlehaven not just survive but thrive might appeal to some in the likes of South Kerry while those clubs in Killarney and Tralee wouldn’t be denied players for economic reasons.
However, Lyne only sees the ‘parent’ idea as helping Valentia - “like keeping the family name alive,” says one other club official - but even at that she has her doubts.
“The only way we’d see it benefitting us is if you could return to your father’s club. That would have been a proposal put on the table when we have been at any of these forums. The club once put out a proposal ring-fencing the bigger clubs and if any players wished to transfer from those clubs to others they would be permitted to do so, no questions asked.
“But I don’t know how realistic it is to be travelling to training 60 miles away. I don’t know if I would do it. I’m the chairperson but would I drive 60 miles to bring my child training? I don’t think I would. I don’t see any clubs in this area being able to go again on their own at under-age level. At senior level, at least you are broadening the band.”
Two years ago, Joe Crowley, then chairman of the parish and player registration committee which was established under Patrick O’Sullivan’s county chairmanship in 2014, claimed the parish rule was being flouted by those who wanted their offspring to line out for the clubs to which they were affiliated.
This had come despite the body having helped to facilitate five agreements between neighbouring clubs over disputed parts of parishes, namely in North and Mid Kerry.
Passing into rule a change would not only make legitimate a practice that has been carried out for several years now but regulate it too.
Of course, there have been high profile cases where it has been upheld. In 2011, after a long legal battle two young O’Sullivan brothers through their parents Christina and Michael were prevented from claiming a derogation of the parish rule and playing for Listry, which was the club closest to their club, and were told they had to line out for Ballyhar-Firies, their parish team. In a similar case 12 years previous, the same clubs were involved in a matter involving brothers who were granted a derogation to play for Listry despite being outside their parish.
The value of the parish rule has always been held as a means of preventing the bigger clubs becoming too big but the price of urban property in Kerry and rural depopulation have made it next to redundant as much as it is mostly enforced.
“Its relevance in defining community has decreased,” read the GAA’s 2002 Strategic Report. “New bye-laws should be introduced to define the geographic boundaries for club membership, as a strict interpretation of the one-club-per-parish rule will not be universally appropriate going forward.”
At times to their discomfort and at others to just mild irritation, Kerry recognise that. No rule is going to flood Cahirciveen with people or cut property prices in Killarney but a relaxation of the parish rule would at least relieve some of the pressure.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 3, 2018 9:47:34 GMT
Y'all need to get the Barry White music out in South Kerry.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 3, 2018 15:22:51 GMT
A club that wins the county championship should not be allowed take players from other clubs for a specified number of years after winning a county title ..in the interests of trying to see the title spread around a bit. I have made this suggestion previously. The likes of Dingle and Legion and Rathmore , KOR and Stacks etc need to have hope of winning a county title. A Dail bar response........................
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Post by rovingfullforward on Nov 4, 2018 9:48:35 GMT
The bitterness is back from the usual anti-crokes posters! Anyway it's off to Ardfinnan today
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Post by whacker on Nov 4, 2018 10:22:10 GMT
The bitterness is back from the usual anti-crokes posters! Anyway it's off to Ardfinnan today I don't think it's bitter that some posters are unhappy that they poach players. They have a big enough pick not to do this . I hope the win today though and are still in it on st Patrick's day
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 4, 2018 13:50:19 GMT
How many players have Crokes in their senior panel that didn't come up through the underage ranks... apart from the two that i am aware of .... Shane Murphy and Anthony OSullivan
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Post by bishop on Nov 4, 2018 15:59:35 GMT
How many players have Crokes in their senior panel that didn't come up through the underage ranks... apart from the two that i am aware of .... Shane Murphy and Anthony OSullivan Shane Murphy, Alan Ó Sullivan, Mike Milner from County Final panel i'd say
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 4, 2018 16:31:34 GMT
Crokes would probably have won 12-14 of the last 20 championships without the once in a lifetime south Kerry team that came along in the last decade. Let's hope another collection comes together from south Kerry and the other districts also soon.
Big win for Crokes today. Great to seem them winning again in Munster. They are superb under Pat O'Shea and always remind me of Dublin lite when they play. They will continue to dominate in Kerry while teams, such as Dingle last weekend, play very defensively. Pat O'Shea & Crokes will sit on that all day and soak it up..........
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 4, 2018 16:45:09 GMT
How many players have Crokes in their senior panel that didn't come up through the underage ranks... apart from the two that i am aware of .... Shane Murphy and Anthony OSullivan Shane Murphy, Alan Ó Sullivan, Mike Milner from County Final panel i'd say I believe that a rule should be put in place to prevent a player joining a club that has won a county title in the previous 5 years. The club is the womb and every effort needs to be taken to nurture them. They must have something to aspire to as regards winning be it junior, intermediate or senior.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 4, 2018 16:55:56 GMT
How many players have Crokes in their senior panel that didn't come up through the underage ranks... apart from the two that i am aware of .... Shane Murphy and Anthony OSullivan Shane Murphy, Alan Ó Sullivan, Mike Milner from County Final panel i'd say Where is Mike Milner from?
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Post by whacker on Nov 4, 2018 17:02:17 GMT
Shane Murphy, Alan Ó Sullivan, Mike Milner from County Final panel i'd say Where is Mike Milner from? Cork as far as I know
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 4, 2018 17:05:09 GMT
Where is Mike Milner from? Cork as far as I know Cheers whacker.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 17:49:02 GMT
Another fantastic year for the Crokes at all levels. Top of the pile in Kerry and well deserved. Great credit to all the people who put in tremendous work day in and day out at the Club. Fantastic servants to the club.
No doubt they are the top club in the County and they have set the bar.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Nov 4, 2018 18:57:52 GMT
For the record:
2018 Kerry Senior Football Championship
Preliminary Round (loser exits the competition) St. Brendan’s 0-16 West Kerry 1-9
Round 1 (16 teams, Open Draw, winners to Round 2A, losers to Round 2B)
South Kerry 1-14 Kenmare Shamrocks 0-13; Killarney Legion 2-14 Rathmore 2-12; Mid Kerry 2-14 An Ghaeltacht 0-10; Dr. Crokes 1-18 St. Kieran’s 2-13; East Kerry 4-20 St. Brendan’s 2-11; Kerins O’Rahilly’s 3-15 Feale Rangers 0-16; Austin Stacks 2-22 Kenmare District 0-6; Dingle 3-18 Shannon Rangers 0-9.
Round 2A (Winners from Rd 1, 8 teams, Open Draw, winners go to quarter final, losers go to Round 3)
Killarney Legion 2-13 Mid Kerry 2-9; East Kerry 6-16 Dingle 2-10; Kerins O’Rahilly’s 3-18 Dr. Crokes 2-16; Austin Stacks 4-7 South Kerry 1-15.
Round 2B (Losers from Rd 1, 8 teams, Open Draw, winners to Rd 3, losers exit the competition)
Rathmore 0-17 Kenmare Shamrocks 0-15; An Ghaeltacht 2-18 Kenmare District 0-5; St Kieran’s 1-14 Feale Rangers 1-13; St Brendan’s 6-11 Shannon Rangers 0-16.
Round 3 - 2A Losers v 2B winners (avoid repeat games), losers exit the competition
South Kerry 1-15 Rathmore 0-11; St. Brendan’s 3-18 Mid Kerry 1-18; Dr. Crokes 3-28 An Ghaeltacht 2-15; Dingle 1-14 St. Kieran’s 1-11.
Quarter Finals – Rd 2A Winners v Rd 3 Winners (4 v 4) Seeded Draw: 2A Winners in one bowl and Rd 3 Winners in separate bowl. Avoid repeat games if possible.
Dingle 3-9 Austin Stacks 0-9 Kerins O’Rahilly’s 3-11 St. Brendan’s 1-15 Dr. Crokes 1-20 Killarney Legion 0-9 East Kerry 4-12 South Kerry 2-10
Semi-finals – Quarter Final winners (open draw)
Dr. Crokes 2-19 Kerins O’Rahilly’s 2-10 East Kerry 1-13 Dingle 2-10 Replay: Dingle 4-13 East Kerry 0-12
Final – Dr. Crokes 1-15 Dingle 0-12
Scorers for Dr Crokes: Daithí Casey (0-4, 3 frees), David Shaw (0-4); Gavin White (1-1); Tony Brosnan (0-2); Gavin O’Shea, Brian Looney, Johnny Buckley, Kieran O’Leary (0-1 each).
Scorers for Dingle: Paul Geaney (0-6, 5 frees); Tom O’Sullivan (0-2); Thomas Sheehy, Matthew O’Flaherty, Barry O’Sullivan, Mikey Geaney (0-1 each).
DR CROKES: Shane Murphy; John Payne (Captain), Mike Moloney, Fionn Fitzgerald; David O’Leary, Gavin White, Shane Doolan; Johnny Buckley, Daithí Casey; Micheál Burns, Gavin O’Shea, Brian Looney; Tony Brosnan, Kieran O’Leary, David Shaw.
Subs for Dr Crokes: Colm Cooper for Gavin O’Shea (38); Alan O’Sullivan for David O’Leary (45); Jordan Kiely for Tony Brosnan (50); Michael Potts for David Shaw (55); Eoin Brosnan for Micheál Burns (60+2); Paul Clarke for Kieran O’Leary (60+3).
DINGLE: Gavin Curran; Mike Flannery, Tom Leo O’Sullivan, Padraig O’Connor (Captain); Mikey Boyle, Tom O’Sullivan, Aiden O’Connor; Billy O’Connor, Barry O’Sullivan; Brian O’Connor, Mikey Geaney, Paul Devane; Thomas Sheehy, Paul Geaney, Matthew Flaherty.
Subs for Dingle: Eoin Murphy for Paul Devane (43); Brendan Kelleher for Mike Flannery (58); Conor Geaney for Thomas Sheehy (60+3).
Sent off: Padraig O’Connor (52, second yellow).
Referee: S. Mulvihill (St Senans).
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Post by kingdomkerry on Nov 4, 2018 20:35:28 GMT
Crokes are a great tight knit club and they deserve their success. Its hard now for the other senior clubs in Kerry like Dingle, KOR, Stacks etc to keep going but the tide will turn eventually. South Kerry after winning 4 in a decade needed to be disbanded but Crokes winning 7 in a decade with loose town boundaries stretching from Kilcummin to beyond Kemmare, their dominance will pass? Tell me which Crokes players do not live in Killarney?
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Post by kingdomkerry on Nov 4, 2018 20:37:37 GMT
The bitterness is back from the usual anti-crokes posters! Anyway it's off to Ardfinnan today I don't think it's bitter that some posters are unhappy that they poach players. They have a big enough pick not to do this . I hope the win today though and are still in it on st Patrick's day Such bitterness. If a player moves to the town and approaches a club like any good neighbour they will be welcomed.
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Post by pillar on Nov 4, 2018 23:04:16 GMT
South Kerry after winning 4 in a decade needed to be disbanded but Crokes winning 7 in a decade with loose town boundaries stretching from Kilcummin to beyond Kemmare, their dominance will pass? Tell me which Crokes players do not live in Killarney? Think there is a well known case!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 0:04:38 GMT
Some serious anti crokes posters on here which is really sad. Thankfully only a small amount of people. jealousy and begrudgingly towards any club on here is ridiculous.
Dingle are a fine side and I’m sure will be back next year. O’Rahillys another fine side who will be around next year . Some serious childish nonsense on here and it’s a sad knock on some posters character on here.
Crokes desreved their title this year. They won it because they were the best team this year.
South Kerry won their titles and deservedly so because they were the best team around at the time.
Don’t act like children blaming refs and who’s from Killarney. The guys that are not from Killarney asked and wanted to play with Crokes. Just like Stacks Nemo St. Vincent’s or any other club in the country. It’s a normal thing now .
Players move around a lot and live in different places and travel for work. Killarney is a fantastic town I’m very proud to be from there and a lot of people move here to raise their kids and to work here.
Crokes are a great club. Very proud to be a Crokes man and once you go there at a young age and play with them you become part of a family where everyone looks out for each other. If you come from another part of Kerry or Ireland you are welcomed with open arms and you are looked after . Some great people put a tremendous of time and effort into the club and it’s a real family club. No matter what size of a club it is Crokes people love their club and they put in their own time and take time out of their lives to make the club what it is today.
Nobody should begrudge a club like that . Crossmaglen are another standout club like that.
Other clubs should learn from that not knock it.
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Post by pintpleasejohn on Nov 5, 2018 1:10:34 GMT
Any truth to Brendan Sullivan joining crokes next year?
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