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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 8:44:24 GMT
Hopefully Kerry take their time and put the right people in charge.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 8:45:28 GMT
No, just no. Ulster Football is losing football and moreover a massive problem this Kerry side have had is that Kerry are not suited to playing negatively. An Ulster team will be in this years final. None of them have anything like Kerrys resources "playing population" wise. Galway are a different anaimal thanks to Paddy Nallys influence. Mayo had influence from one of the Armagh lads. I am talking about bringing in fresh thinking from outside. Kerry dont do and never have done fresh thinking....which is fine when we have super teams like in the Jacko years and the Darragh years. I am not suggesting an outside Manager...but an outside influence as part of the set up. I have no problem with an outside influence but not from Ulster (unless not a negative influence). I guarantee you neither Galway nor Tyrone will win the AI. Too negative. Ulster Football is not winning football and hasn't been for quite some time.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2018 8:46:40 GMT
If, and I hope it doesn’t come to pass, today was Donaghy’s last day out with Kerry then it will truly be a sad one. He has been a real leader for Kerry over the last decade+, we could always rely on him and the truest test of Donaghy was that all our coaches have went to Donaghy when they were in trouble.
A true warrior who could always be relied upon to pull something out of the bag- the last gift was that flick to Clifford in Clones. He conjured magic when nothing was on and all hope had been more or less abandoned.
That 2014 All Ireland was more Donaghys than the managements in my opinion. He came in as a desperate throw of the dice to bail us out against Mayo and subsequently won us the next 2 games.
He’s up there with all the lauded names in terms of what he has given to Kerry
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 8:49:20 GMT
Dublin are going to canter to the four in a row over the next few weeks. They have no northern influence in the back room set up.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2018 8:51:30 GMT
An Ulster team will be in this years final. None of them have anything like Kerrys resources "playing population" wise. Galway are a different anaimal thanks to Paddy Nallys influence. Mayo had influence from one of the Armagh lads. I am talking about bringing in fresh thinking from outside. Kerry dont do and never have done fresh thinking....which is fine when we have super teams like in the Jacko years and the Darragh years. I am not suggesting an outside Manager...but an outside influence as part of the set up. I have no problem with an outside influence but not from Ulster (unless not a negative influence). I guarantee you neither Galway nor Tyrone will win the AI. Too negative. Ulster Football is not winning football and hasn't been for quite some time. We all know Dublin will win it ...biggest panel...playing pool...money.....hometown ref....croker effect....blah...blah...blah.... But their opponents in the semi final and final will be set up properly defensively....i can guarantee that much....all influence coming from the dreaded Ulster.
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Post by mandad on Aug 5, 2018 8:55:06 GMT
The usual process in this situation is that a committee would be set up to make a recommendation to the Co. Board within a defined time period. I expect that this will be what will happen again now. That should be completed sooner rather than later.
My limited knowledge of Donie Buckley's thinking is that he is not interested. Would be hard to blame him - he was very badly treated last time around.
I always thought that Liam Kearns set up his teams very well and got the most out of them. He has experience at the highest level and that should count for something.
Peter Keane has ticked all the boxes so far, but senior inter-county is a different challenge again. I cannot see any potential Bolter. Interesting times
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 8:55:15 GMT
Dublin play the best football. Effortlessly transitioning between defence and attack. They are a joy to watch.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 8:55:34 GMT
I have no problem with an outside influence but not from Ulster (unless not a negative influence). I guarantee you neither Galway nor Tyrone will win the AI. Too negative. Ulster Football is not winning football and hasn't been for quite some time. We all know Dublin will win it ...biggest panel...playing pool...money.....hometown ref....croker effect....blah...blah...blah.... But their opponents in the semi final and final will be set up properly defensively....i can guarantee that much....all influence coming from the dreaded Ulster. Their opponents will lose because they set up to stop the other team scoring and forget to score themselves. It's football for slow learners and losing football. The last team to succeed with it was Donegal in 2012 and it has been found out again and again since. Your lack of respect for Dublin is appalling.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 8:56:44 GMT
The usual process in this situation is that a committee would be set up to make a recommendation to the Co. Board within a defined time period. I expect that this will be what will happen again now. That should be completed sooner rather than later. My limited knowledge of Donie Buckley's thinking is that he is not interested. Would be hard to blame him - he was very badly treated last time around. I always thought that Liam Kearns set up his teams very well and got the most out of them. He has experience at the highest level and that should count for something. Peter Keane has ticked all the boxes so far, but senior inter-county is a different challenge again. I cannot see any potential Bolter. Interesting times A potential bolter is John Sugrue.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 8:58:34 GMT
I have no problem with an outside influence but not from Ulster (unless not a negative influence). I guarantee you neither Galway nor Tyrone will win the AI. Too negative. Ulster Football is not winning football and hasn't been for quite some time. We all know Dublin will win it ...biggest panel...playing pool...money.....hometown ref....croker effect....blah...blah...blah.... But their opponents in the semi final and final will be set up properly defensively....i can guarantee that much....all influence coming from the dreaded Ulster. If Kerry had cut lose over the last four weeks and played football they would have topped the group.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 9:00:13 GMT
The usual process in this situation is that a committee would be set up to make a recommendation to the Co. Board within a defined time period. I expect that this will be what will happen again now. That should be completed sooner rather than later. My limited knowledge of Donie Buckley's thinking is that he is not interested. Would be hard to blame him - he was very badly treated last time around. I always thought that Liam Kearns set up his teams very well and got the most out of them. He has experience at the highest level and that should count for something. Peter Keane has ticked all the boxes so far, but senior inter-county is a different challenge again. I cannot see any potential Bolter. Interesting times New broom different stokes though also.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2018 9:15:23 GMT
We all know Dublin will win it ...biggest panel...playing pool...money.....hometown ref....croker effect....blah...blah...blah.... But their opponents in the semi final and final will be set up properly defensively....i can guarantee that much....all influence coming from the dreaded Ulster. If Kerry had cut lose over the last four weeks and played football they would have topped the group. Cutting loose was the idea v Monaghan but the back door was on the latch.
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Post by taggert on Aug 5, 2018 9:42:36 GMT
If Kerry had cut lose over the last four weeks and played football they would have topped the group. Cutting loose was the idea v Monaghan but the back door was on the latch. The likes of Clar & Cork (weak teams) and teams with 14 men allow you to cut lose. Its not that simplistic when playing strong teams with more sophisticated systems. The evidence is there throughout the league and this c'ship.
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Post by taibhse on Aug 5, 2018 10:00:37 GMT
Suggesting that Diarmuid Murphy should be appointed goalkeeper coach is a bit rich to me. He was part of the setup and goalkeeper coach under Eamon for two or three years and we had pretty much the same issues when Brendan Kealy and Paul Kelly were underperforming.
In my opinion, its lack of a kick out strategy with our defenders that was the real problem and there didn’t seem to be any connect there at all.
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Post by southward on Aug 5, 2018 10:01:33 GMT
An Ulster team will be in this years final. None of them have anything like Kerrys resources "playing population" wise. Galway are a different anaimal thanks to Paddy Nallys influence. Mayo had influence from one of the Armagh lads. I am talking about bringing in fresh thinking from outside. Kerry dont do and never have done fresh thinking....which is fine when we have super teams like in the Jacko years and the Darragh years. I am not suggesting an outside Manager...but an outside influence as part of the set up. I have no problem with an outside influence but not from Ulster (unless not a negative influence). I guarantee you neither Galway nor Tyrone will win the AI. Too negative. Ulster Football is not winning football and hasn't been for quite some time. Ulster has one AI in the past 10 years. Its biggest achievement in that time has been the near-destruction of football as a spectacle. If we ever start aping Ulster football, I can guarantee you I won't be suffering any more traffic jams in Farranfore or anywhere else; I don't care how many clean sheets we rack up.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 5, 2018 10:21:01 GMT
I have no problem with an outside influence but not from Ulster (unless not a negative influence). I guarantee you neither Galway nor Tyrone will win the AI. Too negative. Ulster Football is not winning football and hasn't been for quite some time. Ulster has one AI in the past 10 years. Its biggest achievement in that time has been the near-destruction of football as a spectacle. If we ever start aping Ulster football, I can guarantee you I won't be suffering any more traffic jams in Farranfore or anywhere else; I don't care how many clean sheets we rack up. Totally agree no talk of the amazing paddy tally now lost by double scores at home scoring 8 points, rhe dubs will embarrass them next week and i hope they do! Id say monaghan will make the final donegal minus mcbrearty and gallagher wont be good enough and tyrone are like galway minus the good forwards. Very handy no.4 for dublin and probably 5 also
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 10:24:52 GMT
Donegal to beat Tyrone (wrong already) and Monaghan to beat Donegal is my shout.
Dublin to beat Galway.
If Dublin go onto win they are obviously up there with the Golden Years side.
If they do five in a row they will be out on their own but that would be very difficult. Four in a row will be too.
Would love for Monaghan to win and won't shed too many tears if against all logic Galway beat Dublin.
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Post by mandad on Aug 5, 2018 11:05:24 GMT
Understandably, the main focus on here today is the manager’s departure. I have to say that I have seen most of the greats of the game of Gaelic football over the past sixty-five years or so and I consider it a great privilege to be around at the coming of David Clifford. This young man is special. Let’s be honest - if we are going to ask our brightest young men to pass up an opportunity to play professionally in Australia we have an obligation to provide them with best opportunity to achieve their expectations here at home with Kerry. The next manager must possess the capacity to deliver on those promises.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 11:11:37 GMT
Understandably, the main focus on here today is the manager’s departure. I have to say that I have seen most of the greats of the game of Gaelic football over the past sixty-five years or so and I consider it a great privilege to be around at the coming of David Clifford. This young man is special. Let’s be honest - if we are going to ask our brightest young men to pass up an opportunity to play professionally in Australia we have an obligation to provide them with best opportunity to achieve their expectations here at home with Kerry. The next manager must possess the capacity to deliver on those promises. Top drawer post. You can see how much David Clifford loves being Kerry.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 11:15:31 GMT
Cutting loose was the idea v Monaghan but the back door was on the latch. The likes of Clar & Cork (weak teams) and teams with 14 men allow you to cut lose. Its not that simplistic when playing strong teams with more sophisticated systems. The evidence is there throughout the league and this c'ship. Aping that straight jacket and over thinking it cost Kerry pole position in this group.
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Post by taggert on Aug 5, 2018 11:46:32 GMT
We tried to cut loose against Monaghan and Kildare (14 v 15 half must be discounted) and we were cut open and well behind on the scoreboard. Cutting loose is too simplistic.
As alluded to by the O'Se brothers, Jimmy McG, James Horan, Peter Canavan et al, Kerry's super 8 campaign was conspicuous by the absence of hunger, intensity and physicality. We were light touch in everything we did. You have to earn the right to let your better players do the business - that means btinging savage workrate and intensity as evidenced by Monaghan last night. Contrast that with the first half in Killarney last night, where Kerry didn't lay a glove on Kildare..... Clare and Cork weren't in the Super 8's for a reason.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 11:54:49 GMT
We tried to cut loose against Monaghan and Kildare (14 v 15 half must be discounted) and we were cut open and well behind on the scoreboard. Cutting loose is too simplistic. As alluded to by the O'Se brothers, Jimmy McG, James Horan, Peter Canavan et al, Kerry's super 8 campaign was conspicuous by the absence of hunger, intensity and physicality. We were light touch in everything we did. You have to earn the right to let your better players do the business - that means btinging savage workrate and intensity as evidenced by Monaghan last night. Contrast that with the first half in Killarney last night, where Kerry didn't lay a glove on Kildare..... Clare and Cork weren't in the Super 8's for a reason. And is cutting lose not having the players right to play the game as said above?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2018 11:57:06 GMT
better off agreeing to disagree at this stage.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 12:02:27 GMT
We tried to cut loose against Monaghan and Kildare (14 v 15 half must be discounted) and we were cut open and well behind on the scoreboard. Cutting loose is too simplistic. As alluded to by the O'Se brothers, Jimmy McG, James Horan, Peter Canavan et al, Kerry's super 8 campaign was conspicuous by the absence of hunger, intensity and physicality. We were light touch in everything we did. You have to earn the right to let your better players do the business - that means btinging savage workrate and intensity as evidenced by Monaghan last night. Contrast that with the first half in Killarney last night, where Kerry didn't lay a glove on Kildare..... Clare and Cork weren't in the Super 8's for a reason. If cutting lose means attacking football then it still needs intensity in the middle of the pitch and in the backs. As you allude to this intensity has been lacking.
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Post by taggert on Aug 5, 2018 13:00:00 GMT
We tried to cut loose against Monaghan and Kildare (14 v 15 half must be discounted) and we were cut open and well behind on the scoreboard. Cutting loose is too simplistic. As alluded to by the O'Se brothers, Jimmy McG, James Horan, Peter Canavan et al, Kerry's super 8 campaign was conspicuous by the absence of hunger, intensity and physicality. We were light touch in everything we did. You have to earn the right to let your better players do the business - that means btinging savage workrate and intensity as evidenced by Monaghan last night. Contrast that with the first half in Killarney last night, where Kerry didn't lay a glove on Kildare..... Clare and Cork weren't in the Super 8's for a reason. If cutting lose means attacking football then it still needs intensity in the middle of the pitch and in the backs. As you allude to this intensity has been lacking. Precisely!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 13:11:38 GMT
If cutting lose means attacking football then it still needs intensity in the middle of the pitch and in the backs. As you allude to this intensity has been lacking. Precisely! Conclusion, Kerry are neither here nor there at the moment which sums things up nicely.
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Post by taggert on Aug 5, 2018 13:12:58 GMT
Conclusion, Kerry are neither here no there at the moment which sums things up nicely. Agreed!
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Post by homerj on Aug 5, 2018 13:41:54 GMT
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Post by dart on Aug 5, 2018 15:54:30 GMT
Anyone know why Seanie O'Shea was taken off taking frees against Galway? He was great yesterday from long range.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 16:13:34 GMT
Anyone know why Seanie O'Shea was taken off taking frees against Galway? He was great yesterday from long range. He must have picked up an injury in the collision that Conroy received three breaks to his legs in.
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