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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 4, 2018 23:02:13 GMT
Donie Buckley has to be involved in any new Kerry management team. Look how well Mayo tackled from 1-15 with him coaching them. That's what we lack in Kerry, if we could defend and a hit hard when other teams run directly at us, the forward play would look after itself. Jack O'Connor with Donie Buckley, Peter Keane and Maurice Fitz (for continuity) would be a killer combination. Jack is the Day before Yesterday's Man.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 4, 2018 23:02:40 GMT
For all the back slapping here flagging Monaghan as the best team in group Kerry drew with them in Clones. So either they aren't that good really or Galway are actually poor and we still lost to them? Or is the truth somewhere in the middle?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 4, 2018 23:03:44 GMT
I accept the criticism of Liam Kearns but the evidence shows that the big things that Kerry have gotten wrong over the past four years (negativity and weakness), would probably not happen under a Kearns.
Kerry players would enjoy their football.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2018 23:04:06 GMT
For all the back slapping here flagging Monaghan as the best team in group Kerry drew with them in Clones. So either they aren't that good really or Galway are actually poor and we still lost to them? Or is the truth somewhere in the middle? No, Kerry were under cooked and Galway are over inflated.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2018 23:06:11 GMT
For all the back slapping here flagging Monaghan as the best team in group Kerry drew with them in Clones. Kerry scored a last minute goal against them. They were clearly the better side overall. Shur of course they are, didn't they run away with the group.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 4, 2018 23:09:13 GMT
Kerry scored a last minute goal against them. They were clearly the better side overall. Shur of course they are, didn't they run away with the group. No I mean in Kerry's match against them in Clones.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Aug 4, 2018 23:11:15 GMT
Donie Buckley has to be involved in any new Kerry management team. Look how well Mayo tackled from 1-15 with him coaching them. That's what we lack in Kerry, if we could defend and a hit hard when other teams run directly at us, the forward play would look after itself. Jack O'Connor with Donie Buckley, Peter Keane and Maurice Fitz (for continuity) would be a killer combination. Sure Jack pushed Donnie Buckley out the door the last time he was around. By all accounts he went and had a knee op done, when he returned he was demoted to a glorified water boy. Donnie decided to step away then
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Post by john4 on Aug 4, 2018 23:11:29 GMT
Tomas o Se had the Galway game spot on when he said our lads were "waiting for a lovely game of football to break out" Galway ain't great, whatever about the Monaghan game, that's the one that will sicken them.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2018 23:12:20 GMT
Shur of course they are, didn't they run away with the group. No I mean in Kerry's match against them in Clones. I wouldnt judge anyone based on Kerry post Munster championship. For some reason the players retreated with the exception of all the young players.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2018 23:12:38 GMT
So either they aren't that good really or Galway are actually poor and we still lost to them? Or is the truth somewhere in the middle? No, Kerry were under cooked and Galway are over inflated. There is a pattern over the past two years at u20 and senior. Too much made of winning Munster only to fall flat when meeting Counties outside of Munster.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2018 23:18:18 GMT
No, Kerry were under cooked and Galway are over inflated. There is a pattern over the past two years at u20 and senior. Too much made of winning Munster only to fall flat when meeting Counties outside of Munster. Or is there too much of a correlation inside between senior and u 20 in thinking. Are they all from the same cloth. A change will be good once it is the right change.
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Post by seeking38 on Aug 4, 2018 23:28:31 GMT
Three cheers for Kieran Donaghy. Thank you Kieran for staying on the pitch for 40 minutes after the game to sign every autograph requested and pose for pictures. You made my 2 kids very happy. I have a feeling that this was his last throw of the dice but I hope I'm wrong. As for EF thank you for doing the right thing.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 4, 2018 23:31:12 GMT
Apart from the names mentioned like Liam Kearns, Peter Keane, Pat O'Shea, what are the other options going forward?
I'm wondering if at this stage of his coaching career Donie Buckley would be interested in more than just a background role? Could Donie be given the keys to build his own team and lead the Kingdom?
Wild card options? Diarmuid Murphy? Mike Quirke? I would probably have included Maurice Fitz but I really do think Kerry need a complete break off from the current management regime. Others??
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Post by john4 on Aug 4, 2018 23:34:57 GMT
Jimmy Keane? 2 junior All Irelands
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Post by john4 on Aug 4, 2018 23:36:21 GMT
And a club all Ireland
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2018 23:36:41 GMT
The Galway v Kerry game was a game of chess. We will never know how it would have played out if Young hadnt been sent off.
EF seemed to abandon his defensive approach then v Monaghan and McManus caused havoc. (Why he dropped Shane from goalie is beyond me.)
For me the performance v Monaghan and the U20 performance v Kildare were very similar.
Every great team needs its defense system rights as a foundation with the keeper as key.
We will see if the Kildare FF gets a rake of 80:20 balls into his chest in the u20 final tomorrow with a half acre in front of him. I doubt it. L
Kerry were never going to win the All Ireland in 2018 in senior. The manner in which the u20 was thrown away still rankles though.
I think Kerry dodged the bullet by avoiding Dublin this year. The younger players could have been mentally scarred. (Blue panther is raging I'd say!)
The game has moved on and Kerry are stuck back in the past.
I would like to see an input from someone with the instincts to set up a defense first and foremost. Someone from Ulster preferably.
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Post by whitefire on Aug 4, 2018 23:55:35 GMT
I thought it was disgraceful how many Kerry supporters left early as the team put some wonderful attacking moves together. Mikey Sheehy was right.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 4, 2018 23:56:57 GMT
Donie Buckley has to be involved in any new Kerry management team. Look how well Mayo tackled from 1-15 with him coaching them. That's what we lack in Kerry, if we could defend and a hit hard when other teams run directly at us, the forward play would look after itself. Jack O'Connor with Donie Buckley, Peter Keane and Maurice Fitz (for continuity) would be a killer combination. Lots of personality clashes there. Cats in a bag. Pat O'Shea would seem to have best understanding of the modern game in Kerry. Jack O’C dumped Donie Buckley previously (2012) so that ain’t go to work - JO’C not in the running in my book as his recent history with under age not good enough. We could promote Peter Keane who has as good a pedigree as anyone at the minute - St Mary’s, Legion, minors - hard to look beyond that - plenty of good candidates from development squads to take charge of minors - Tommy Griffin, Seán Bán, Mark Fitzgerald, Maurice Horan ( former Limerick bainisteoir),- Stephen Stack and Mike Quirke are others to consider. Just hope that county board take their time, look at all options & decide. Also, just hope that they take back control of affairs.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 5, 2018 0:15:17 GMT
I thought it was disgraceful how many Kerry supporters left early as the team put some wonderful attacking moves together. Mikey Sheehy was right. That’s something I personally have never done as I think it is so disrespectful to the team who no matter what are trying their best on the field and if they are losing it must be very demoralising for the team to see their supporters deserting them. However this year, at the League and Championship Galway games, for the very first time I could not bring myself to blame the Kerry supporters who left in droves Today it seemed like everyone knew the result in Salthill because the atmosphere at the end was very subdued. This explains but does not excuse the exodus. And Mikey was not right! He wasn’t talking about supporters leaving early but supporters who never turned up in the first place.
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Post by highballintostar on Aug 5, 2018 0:21:48 GMT
I think it’s time we get over our obsession of bringing back Jack O’Connor. He has already served 2 terms and we can’t keep going back to the well each time only to be wanting rid of him after.
The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Peter Keane is my main candidate. He is a man that can inspire players. He has played a big part in David Clifford’s development as a player and can get the best out of players without having world beaters at his disposal, an inevitability heartbreaking County Championship run with Killarney Legion proves this.
4 (potentially 5 😜) AI Minor Championships speaks for itself also.
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Post by Hicser on Aug 5, 2018 5:19:11 GMT
DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE!!!
I’m sorry but I’ve little sympathy for EF, Kildare’s first goal is why we were woeful this year. A poor Cork team destroyed us in the first 10 minutes until a needless black card. No defense means you can’t win an All Ireland. I don’t mean a blanket defense but a solid defense when we don’t have the ball. When you think of the great defenders we’ve had...
It’s simple, if you don’t lay a hand on a player in the middle 3rd and let him run 25 yards then you are gone,
INTENSITY INTENSITY INTENSITY!!!
Completely missing in 1st half and previous matches, again it’s simple you drop players who don’t have it,
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 6:03:18 GMT
Someone from Ulster preferably. No, just no. Ulster Football is losing football and moreover a massive problem this Kerry side have had is that Kerry are not suited to playing negatively.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 6:06:49 GMT
DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE!!! I’m sorry but I’ve little sympathy for EF, Kildare’s first goal is why we were woeful this year. A poor Cork team destroyed us in the first 10 minutes until a needless black card. No defense means you can’t win an All Ireland. I don’t mean a blanket defense but a solid defense when we don’t have the ball. When you think of the great defenders we’ve had... It’s simple, if you don’t lay a hand on a player in the middle 3rd and let him run 25 yards then you are gone, INTENSITY INTENSITY INTENSITY!!! Completely missing in 1st half and previous matches, again it’s simple you drop players who don’t have it, This is what Kerry need, not a return to negative tactics that win nothing.
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Post by southward on Aug 5, 2018 8:09:50 GMT
The Galway v Kerry game was a game of chess. We will never know how it would have played out if Young hadnt been sent off. EF seemed to abandon his defensive approach then v Monaghan and McManus caused havoc. (Why he dropped Shane from goalie is beyond me.) For me the performance v Monaghan and the U20 performance v Kildare were very similar. Every great team needs its defense system rights as a foundation with the keeper as key. We will see if the Kildare FF gets a rake of 80:20 balls into his chest in the u20 final tomorrow with a half acre in front of him. I doubt it. L Kerry were never going to win the All Ireland in 2018 in senior. The manner in which the u20 was thrown away still rankles though. I think Kerry dodged the bullet by avoiding Dublin this year. The younger players could have been mentally scarred. (Blue panther is raging I'd say!) The game has moved on and Kerry are stuck back in the past. I would like to see an input from someone with the instincts to set up a defense first and foremost. Someone from Ulster preferably. Oh Jesus, no! I'm moving to Cork if that happens. Heresy, Mick, heresy!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2018 8:11:15 GMT
Liam Kerins would be my choice- track record if developing players and making teams play above themselves.
Also knows the ins and outs of senior intercounty level.
If not Kerins then Peadar Keane- there are no other real candidates in my eyes
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 8:27:55 GMT
No to Ulster influence coming in anyway.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2018 8:36:13 GMT
Someone from Ulster preferably. No, just no. Ulster Football is losing football and moreover a massive problem this Kerry side have had is that Kerry are not suited to playing negatively. An Ulster team will be in this years final. None of them have anything like Kerrys resources "playing population" wise. Galway are a different anaimal thanks to Paddy Nallys influence. Mayo had influence from one of the Armagh lads. I am talking about bringing in fresh thinking from outside. Kerry dont do and never have done fresh thinking....which is fine when we have super teams like in the Jacko years and the Darragh years. I am not suggesting an outside Manager...but an outside influence as part of the set up.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 8:38:56 GMT
Stop Mick, please.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 8:40:55 GMT
The biggest disappointment is that we won't get to see the young players lead by David Clifford playing again this year.....................There is a touch of cold turkey about that.
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Post by backothehill on Aug 5, 2018 8:41:59 GMT
Folks ye are underestimating the Work Liam Kearns has done as a senior inter county football manager. He has built up a formidable amount of knowledge and experience with teams outside the top six. He has taken football teams in strong hurling counties and molded them into sides that always competed at the top level against division one teams. All this while having to deal with the vagaries of having to play second fiddle with a county board. Players opting for hurling only, players opting for both, players going to America, key players injured in a small panel etc. Liam Kearns with Donie Buckley would be a tremendous appointment for Kerry. It would reward hard work, massive experience at the top level and give a Kerryman who wore the green and gold a well deserved promotion.
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