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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2018 12:50:41 GMT
If we are planning to beat Dublin in September we can't be running for cover in July / August. The team that beat Tyrone were beaten by Fermanagh. Mayo are in decline. Galway are only mediocre - the standard in yesterdays game was very poor. There is no team in that side of the draw we should fear. +1 The psychology of trying to avoid the difficult teams is one I do not understand. Cf in another sport Ireland rugby at the 2015 World Cup. All the focus on avoiding New Zealand in the QF. To be the best you wanna beat the best. This might be as naive as day but this is how I have always seen things. I just want to see teams of equal strength playing each other. I would to get Galway,Mayo and Tyrone. Going to Castlebar to take on Mayo would be great
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Post by keane on Jun 18, 2018 12:53:56 GMT
The only thing I have in my head is wanting Dublin to have as many hard games as possible to give them a chance to slip up and/or be overcooked by the time we would meet them.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 18, 2018 13:10:14 GMT
The only thing I have in my head is wanting Dublin to have as many hard games as possible to give them a chance to slip up and/or be overcooked by the time we would meet them. Might I note that a slip up for Dublin in the Super 8s would not end their season and perhaps might refocus them a la Donegal in 2014.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 18, 2018 13:25:35 GMT
Lds if it was a different /more experienced Kerry team then I'd be all for 3 hard group games but I'd be happy for just 1 wit this team and to give them the chance to build some momentum.
I think we can beat Dublin but we have to get there first and 3 tough attritional matches are prob beyond a tam of limited experience
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 18, 2018 13:33:21 GMT
The only thing I have in my head is wanting Dublin to have as many hard games as possible to give them a chance to slip up and/or be overcooked by the time we would meet them. Might I note that a slip up for Dublin in the Super 8s would not end their season and perhaps might refocus them a la Donegal in 2014. The current design of the competition means that a county can lose a game up to the semi final and still stay in the competition - it only becomes championship in the traditional meaning of the word at semi final stage. Whereas I can understand the desire for more competitive games and the justification of giving counties more games (reward for training effort etc) this format really bugs me when it comes to championship. I still favour a knock out competition and would advocate a top 16 straight knockout competition for the AI title - qualification for the top sixteen can generate as many games and second chances as one wishes for, but the essence of championship should be there long before the semi final stage. My ideal qualification for the top 16 is the four provincial winners, the tier 2 winner (or even finalists) from the previous year and the remaining places on the basis of position in the league. Tier 2 games to replace minor fixtures with a serious prize (money to holiday fund) for the finalists.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 18, 2018 13:42:11 GMT
Might I note that a slip up for Dublin in the Super 8s would not end their season and perhaps might refocus them a la Donegal in 2014. The current design of the competition means that a county can lose a game up to the semi final and still stay in the competition - it only becomes championship in the traditional meaning of the word at semi final stage. Whereas I can understand the desire for more competitive games and the justification of giving counties more games (reward for training effort etc) this format really bugs me when it comes to championship. I still favour a knock out competition and would advocate a top 16 straight knockout competition for the AI title - qualification for the top sixteen can generate as many games and second chances as one wishes for, but the essence of championship should be there long before the semi final stage. My ideal qualification for the top 16 is the four provincial winners, the tier 2 winner (or even finalists) from the previous year and the remaining places on the basis of position in the league. Tier 2 games to replace minor fixtures with a serious prize (money to holiday fund) for the finalists. Two comments: 1. Jim McGuinness proposal 2. Has there ever been serious thought given to running the League and Championship concurrently?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2018 13:54:32 GMT
Mayo, for example,could lose a super 8 game and go onto win the All Ireland. They would be the first team to do so having lost two championship games.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 18, 2018 14:55:24 GMT
Three things i have been thinking about here.firstly lets say kerry beat cork who then lose to kildare meaning they would be due to host dublin on the second weekend of the super 8s what happens then? And secondly lets say mayo beat roscommon in r4 and go into dublin/donegal group it would mean that donegals "reward" for winning ulster would mean they have to at least draw against either dublin in croke park or mayo in castlebar! Hardly fair. And finally what will the make up be next year what provinces will be in what grpup?ie they fixed the super 8s this year to avoid repeat semis (or if you are cynical as they guessed that whoever was the munster runners up would probably make the super8s and all 3 teams kerry,tipp,and cork could accomadate the dubs to avoid controversy) id say the nightmare for the gaa would be a team that couldnt accomadate the dubs fixed to play them at home ie Kildare or Armagh for example? Ps sorry about the lenght of this post
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Post by keane on Jun 18, 2018 15:08:37 GMT
The GAA will be absolutely tickled pink whenever a team that 'can't host Dublin' is meant to host them. Watch for the ever expanding list of grounds that are suitable for everyone bar Dublin to play in over the next couple of years and a laundry list of 'all season ticket holders must have seats so you have to play your home game away' reasons being dreamed up.
Personally the idea of ourselves, Donegal, Dublin and whoever else in a group where we get to travel to new places for important championship matches is a huge improvement to travelling to Croke Park every July for an All Ireland quarter final we win by 10 points. If you are knocked out at least you got a bit of a spin out of it.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 18, 2018 15:16:49 GMT
The GAA will be absolutely tickled pink whenever a team that 'can't host Dublin' is meant to host them. Watch for the ever expanding list of grounds that are suitable for everyone bar Dublin to play in over the next couple of years and a laundry list of 'all season ticket holders must have seats so you have to play your home game away' reasons being dreamed up. Personally the idea of ourselves, Donegal, Dublin and whoever else in a group where we get to travel to new places for important championship matches is a huge improvement to travelling to Croke Park every July for an All Ireland quarter final we win by 10 points. If you are knocked out at least you got a bit of a spin out of it. Mayo have the same number of season ticket holders as Dublin. If Mayo had drawn Wicklow in the qualifiers, would the game have been played in Aughrim? Of course it would. I'm looking forward to a trip to the likes of Clones, Omagh, Castelbar etc. during the summer. The trips to Longford, Tullamore and Mullingar were all novel and made for great days out.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 18, 2018 15:30:13 GMT
Dublin played away in this year's championship and the travelling support wasn't exactly stellar.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jun 18, 2018 17:12:53 GMT
Opening post edited to show all 4 first round games in the Super 8 are in Croke Park on 14/15 July.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2018 17:15:42 GMT
The GAA will be absolutely tickled pink whenever a team that 'can't host Dublin' is meant to host them. Watch for the ever expanding list of grounds that are suitable for everyone bar Dublin to play in over the next couple of years and a laundry list of 'all season ticket holders must have seats so you have to play your home game away' reasons being dreamed up. Personally the idea of ourselves, Donegal, Dublin and whoever else in a group where we get to travel to new places for important championship matches is a huge improvement to travelling to Croke Park every July for an All Ireland quarter final we win by 10 points. If you are knocked out at least you got a bit of a spin out of it. Mayo have the same number of season ticket holders as Dublin. If Mayo had drawn Wicklow in the qualifiers, would the game have been played in Aughrim? Of course it would. I'm looking forward to a trip to the likes of Clones, Omagh, Castelbar etc. during the summer. The trips to Longford, Tullamore and Mullingar were all novel and made for great days out. Yesterday's hurling game in Ennis was sold out 6 days beforehand. No clamour by anyone to move the fixture to cater for fans who couldn't get a ticket.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 18, 2018 17:35:27 GMT
Opening post edited to show all 4 first round games in the Super 8 are in Croke Park on 14/15 July. Yes - the NEUTRAL venue round where seven teams get to travel to Croke Park and Dublin pretend that they are at a neutral venue also. The same neutral venue they are scheduled to play their home game at. There should be more made of the failure to play Dublin's game at a neutral venue - Pairc Ui Chaiomhe could do with the revenue or Semple stadium if Cork are involved.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2018 19:23:23 GMT
Opening post edited to show all 4 first round games in the Super 8 are in Croke Park on 14/15 July. Yes - the NEUTRAL venue round where seven teams get to travel to Croke Park and Dublin pretend that they are at a neutral venue also. The same neutral venue they are scheduled to play their home game at. There should be more made of the failure to play Dublin's game at a neutral venue - Pairc Ui Chaiomhe could do with the revenue or Semple stadium if Cork are involved. onlykerry The only thing i can say to you is to take cognisance of the Serenity Prayer God grant me the Serenity To accept the things I cannot change (the GAAs craven approach to Dublin'S footballers) Courage to change the things I can, (which is pretty much nothing) And the Wisdom to know the difference.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2018 19:30:51 GMT
The GAA will be absolutely tickled pink whenever a team that 'can't host Dublin' is meant to host them. Watch for the ever expanding list of grounds that are suitable for everyone bar Dublin to play in over the next couple of years and a laundry list of 'all season ticket holders must have seats so you have to play your home game away' reasons being dreamed up. Personally the idea of ourselves, Donegal, Dublin and whoever else in a group where we get to travel to new places for important championship matches is a huge improvement to travelling to Croke Park every July for an All Ireland quarter final we win by 10 points. If you are knocked out at least you got a bit of a spin out of it. Should Kerry win on Saturday, Kerry and Galway should be free to arrange a neutral venue if they wish provided it can hold the crowd. That game could be held in Limerick which would ease the commute and cost on everyone.
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Post by glengael on Jun 18, 2018 19:45:24 GMT
Opening post edited to show all 4 first round games in the Super 8 are in Croke Park on 14/15 July. That's outrageous. Have they no concert fixed for Croke Park that weekend??
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Post by dc84 on Jun 18, 2018 20:13:44 GMT
Opening post edited to show all 4 first round games in the Super 8 are in Croke Park on 14/15 July. That's outrageous. Have they no concert fixed for Croke Park that weekend?? No but some lad called michael bubbles is playing the 7th , so they will be ripping up the pitch again! Ah well at least they will get some use out of that farm they bought! Seriously though there wil be at least 4 games on the pitch the weekend after wtf do they be thinking🤔
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 19, 2018 8:39:23 GMT
Yes - the NEUTRAL venue round where seven teams get to travel to Croke Park and Dublin pretend that they are at a neutral venue also. The same neutral venue they are scheduled to play their home game at. There should be more made of the failure to play Dublin's game at a neutral venue - Pairc Ui Chaiomhe could do with the revenue or Semple stadium if Cork are involved. onlykerry The only thing i can say to you is to take cognisance of the Serenity Prayer God grant me the Serenity To accept the things I cannot change (the GAAs craven approach to Dublin'S footballers) Courage to change the things I can, (which is pretty much nothing) And the Wisdom to know the difference. Mick I prefer George Bernard Shaw's take on it "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it" I read this as saying anything is possible with perserverence and my prayer is that the dinosaurs running the GAA wake up one day and look at the bigger picture and stop protecting their own little fiefdoms.... I live in hope.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 19, 2018 9:09:22 GMT
The digging of the pitch is a joke during peak summer championship. You wouldn't spray all the flowers with Roundup the week before the Chelsea show in London!
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 19, 2018 10:08:04 GMT
The digging of the pitch is a joke during peak summer championship. You wouldn't spray all the flowers with Roundup the week before the Chelsea show in London! Gallup is much cheaper
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Post by An Bradán on Jun 19, 2018 11:00:31 GMT
If we are planning to beat Dublin in September we can't be running for cover in July / August. The team that beat Tyrone were beaten by Fermanagh. Mayo are in decline. Galway are only mediocre - the standard in yesterdays game was very poor. There is no team in that side of the draw we should fear. +1 The psychology of trying to avoid the difficult teams is one I do not understand. Cf in another sport Ireland rugby at the 2015 World Cup. All the focus on avoiding New Zealand in the QF. To be the best you wanna beat the best. This might be as naive as day but this is how I have always seen things. Either we're good enough or we're not. Do we want a meaningful challenge and championship or more facile victories in CP over Clare or Kildare. This young Kerry team needs to prove itself by taking on the top teams and beating them. I don't think there is anything to fear from teams that are either at our own level or slightly above it. Dublin are out on their own above all at present and Kerry will not get near them unless we get pushed to the limit. Also from a general GAA point of view we all know the football championship is an outdated model that needs radical overhaul. Look at success of the Munster hurling championship this year where we saw great clashes week in week out. This can only be achieved by the best playing the best. These Super 8's might get us heading the right way.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jun 24, 2018 22:23:27 GMT
Saturday, July 14/Sunday July 15:
Croke Park
Kerry v Galway
Fermanagh/R4 winner v Laois /R4 winner
Dublin v Donegal
Cork/R4 winner v Roscommon/R4 winner.
Saturday July 21/Sunday July 22
Beaten Provincial finalists or team that beats them in Round 4 are at home
Fermanagh/R4 winner v Galway
Laois/R4 winner v Kerry
Cork/R4 winner v Dublin
Roscommon/R4 winner v Donegal
Saturday August 4, Sunday August 5, Monday August 6
Provincial Champions have home advantage
Kerry v Fermanagh/R4 winner
Galway v Laois/R4 winner
Donegal v Cork/R4 winner
Dublin v Roscommon/R4 winner
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Post by kerryboy83 on Jun 25, 2018 10:39:59 GMT
Any idea what will the price for tickets will be for the super 8 games?!
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Post by glengael on Jun 25, 2018 15:01:20 GMT
Any idea what will the price for tickets will be for the super 8 games?! Possibly on a par with the quarter finals in the past?
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Post by yourholiness on Jun 25, 2018 17:07:57 GMT
The GAA need to abandon their devotion to money and ensure the integrity of the competition by ensuring Dublin’s fixtures adhere to the same standards as the other teams involved .
I’m hoping Kildare’s stand on this issue informs their approach for the rest of the year .
I’m a Dublin Parnell Pass holder and the DCB has no problem telling me my pass wouldn’t entitle me to a ticket for the fixture vrs. Kilkenny in Parnell Park !! . The season ticket excuse is a stalking horse and it’s all about fumbling in the greasy till .
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Post by Control5 on Jun 25, 2018 19:51:17 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Jun 26, 2018 13:42:22 GMT
There is now a suggestion that the Super 8s "neutral" Croke Park games will be held as a treple header on Saturday 14th and a standalone game on Sunday 15th to avoid a clash with the World Cup final.
I wonder which county will be foremost in the minds of the CCCC when they are making this decision.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 26, 2018 13:44:39 GMT
There is now a suggestion that the Super 8s "neutral" Croke Park games will be held as a treple header on Saturday 14th and a standalone game on Sunday 15th to avoid a clash with the World Cup final. I wonder which county will be foremost in the minds of the CCCC when they are making this decision. That could work. The Dublin game on the Sunday outside Croke Park.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 26, 2018 13:48:17 GMT
There is now a suggestion that the Super 8s "neutral" Croke Park games will be held as a treple header on Saturday 14th and a standalone game on Sunday 15th to avoid a clash with the World Cup final. I wonder which county will be foremost in the minds of the CCCC when they are making this decision. That could work. The Dublin game on the Sunday outside Croke Park.Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Haha Ha
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