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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 15, 2018 8:10:33 GMT
I agree this keep ball at the end of a game is a yawn but I cannot understand why Dublin are taking the rap for it. They were comfortably ahead and therefore the onus was on Donegal to come out and go and go man for man . What was is the logic of " protecting" a four or five point deficit? As I said this keep ball ploy is unpalatable but it is a consequence of this blanket defence phenomenon. Dr. Crokes treated us to the same spectacle in the club final two years ago. Did Donegal management deserve any bettter when they allow one of the best forwards of his era to wander aimlessly around the middle of the field, particularly with Paddy McBrearty injured. Michael Murphy caught one ball at midfield . For goodness sake , great forwards are a rare commodity. When you have one use him. Madness. Dublin there for the taking. Have we progressed enough to do it and have we the boldness and mental strength to do it in their own backyard. Sure playing Dublin these days with all their games in crokepark is akin to playing the All Blacks in Eden park in every single match
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Post by kingdomkerry on Jul 15, 2018 14:29:16 GMT
Most over rated team of all time if you ask me. What would they have one if all teams had a level playing field.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 15, 2018 16:50:13 GMT
Most over rated team of all time if you ask me. What would they have one if all teams had a level playing field. I think that is outrageous. Dublin are clutch.
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Post by augustafield on Jul 15, 2018 22:09:09 GMT
The Dubs are top class and that comment by Kingdomkerry is pathetic.
Their athleticism their ball playing skills their consistency for a team in such a demanding and highly skilled sport has been unsurpassed for the past decade . Fair play to them for their enthusiasm and dedication. And success.
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Post by glengael on Jul 15, 2018 22:50:57 GMT
Only saw the 2nd half of Monaghan v Kildare- tks to train being 2 hours late getting to Dublin. Poor fare. Kildare people sitting near me were tearing their hair out at their approach- too much handpassing, no attempt at quick ball into the forwards. Monaghan had that bit more experience. A lot of off the ball niggle too.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 15, 2018 22:56:52 GMT
Dessie Mone was his usual self today.
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Post by thebluepanther on Jul 16, 2018 6:08:13 GMT
I agree this keep ball at the end of a game is a yawn but I cannot understand why Dublin are taking the rap for it. They were comfortably ahead and therefore the onus was on Donegal to come out and go and go man for man . What was is the logic of " protecting" a four or five point deficit? As I said this keep ball ploy is unpalatable but it is a consequence of this blanket defence phenomenon. Dr. Crokes treated us to the same spectacle in the club final two years ago. Did Donegal management deserve any bettter when they allow one of the best forwards of his era to wander aimlessly around the middle of the field, particularly with Paddy McBrearty injured. Michael Murphy caught one ball at midfield . For goodness sake , great forwards are a rare commodity. When you have one use him. Madness. Dublin there for the taking. Have we progressed enough to do it and have we the boldness and mental strength to do it in their own backyard. Sure playing Dublin these days with all their games in crokepark is akin to playing the All Blacks in Eden park in every single match Maybe Galway shouldn't be allowed play in Crokepark either, or games shouldn't be played on rainy days.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 21, 2018 17:59:23 GMT
Donegal 20 points. Rossies 13 points
Story of the game is simple. Donegal retained possession from all kickouts and from about 75% of Roscommons. Thats a lot of possession. The Rossies went long everytime.
The other features were Michael Murphy getting too much room to turn and pick off points. But the most notable and enjoyable was the ability of the rossies to kick long range points ...like Kerry could do one time.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 21, 2018 18:49:40 GMT
Donegal 20 points. Rossies 13 points Story of the game is simple. Donegal retained possession from all kickouts and from about 75% of Roscommons. Thats a lot of possession. The Rossies went long everytime. The other features were Michael Murphy getting too much room to turn and pick off points. But the most notable and enjoyable was the ability of the rossies to kick long range points ...like Kerry could do one time. I agree that Roscommon kicked some great long range points but their success rate from long range was poor. They kicked a few short and a good few wides. They only had a one man full forward line and Donegal were quite happy to let them shoot from far out.
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Post by greenmen55 on Jul 21, 2018 19:55:10 GMT
Dublin lucky to come out with a win.... Tyrone really shot themselves in the foot though kicking so many wides and so many unnecessary mistakes coming out of the back and basically gifting Dublin points inevitably it was always going to punish them in the end losing by three.... you would have to admire the last 10 minutes though from Tyrone they clawed their way back into it. Tyrone supporters also didn’t seem too happy with the referee and let their voices be heard at the end. Also I know cluxton is a great goalkeeper but seemed to be part of Dublin’s downfall in the final moments kicking 5 kickouts in a row either to a Tyrone player or out over the sideline which may show signs that he can be got at when the game is in the melting pot... or may just be a one off? Also young Brian Howard looks to be a real player receiving the motm award for the second week in a row and was the driving force for Dublin throughout the game
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 21, 2018 19:59:19 GMT
Scully actually got not last week though it should have been Howard
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Post by greenmen55 on Jul 21, 2018 20:06:07 GMT
Scully actually got not last week though it should have been Howard Sorry my mistake... scully did play well last week and he did score the goals so he may have deserved it. It is typical dublin though as they have blooded a new top player who has slotted in perfectly to their 15. It does seem like they do this every year
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Post by clarinman on Jul 21, 2018 20:32:12 GMT
Dublin don't look right to me this year. Only 5 points from play from the starting six forwards today. I think they're there for the taking this year with no brogan or Connolly. Unfortunately we don't look good enough to take advantage.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 21, 2018 20:45:01 GMT
Marty Clarke said Dublin looked invincible on radio sport after the game.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 21, 2018 21:09:36 GMT
Dublins defense were tenacious and i think the whole half back line scored a point. Tyrone dont have enough scoring power. It was a hard hitting fair contest till MDMA came on at the end. He left a nasty boot on a player on the ground.
Dublin want it as much as other years.
I wonder did Coldrick travel from Clontarf on the team bus. A few clear frees were denied to Tyrone when they were coming back at the end.
Coldrick is incapable of impartiality as far as Dublin is concerned. It is really that simple
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 21, 2018 21:11:49 GMT
Kevin McStay had no problem acting as judge and jury on TSG. He lost the head today and threw a ball at the linesman which hit him on the head.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 21, 2018 21:21:12 GMT
He will pay the price for that. He also shoved the linesman a few times. Not very intelligent.
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Post by jackeengirl on Jul 21, 2018 21:24:10 GMT
Dublins defense were tenacious and i think the whole half back line scored a point. Tyrone dont have enough scoring power. It was a hard hitting fair contest till MDMA came on at the end. He left a nasty boot on a player on the ground. Dublin want it as much as other years. I wonder did Coldrick travel from Clontarf on the team bus. A few clear frees were denied to Tyrone when they were coming back at the end. Coldrick is incapable of impartiality as far as Dublin is concerned. It is really that simple Let me see.....Tiernan McCann got away with the blackest of blackcards early in the first half. Small got a smack to the face. Both caught on camera. But you want to talk about Michael Dara and the ref? Seems Mickey Mack is himself incapable of impartiality.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 21, 2018 21:25:05 GMT
I thought Kev would be more controlled than that!
Rte sport suggesting Healy Park was narrowed by several meters on both sides..............
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 21, 2018 21:48:53 GMT
Dublins defense were tenacious and i think the whole half back line scored a point. Tyrone dont have enough scoring power. It was a hard hitting fair contest till MDMA came on at the end. He left a nasty boot on a player on the ground. Dublin want it as much as other years. I wonder did Coldrick travel from Clontarf on the team bus. A few clear frees were denied to Tyrone when they were coming back at the end. Coldrick is incapable of impartiality as far as Dublin is concerned. It is really that simple Let me see.....Tiernan McCann got away with the blackest of blackcards early in the first half. Small got a smack to the face. Both caught on camera. But you want to talk about Michael Dara and the ref? Seems Mickey Mack is himself incapable of impartiality. Why cant they appoint refs to dublin games who are not living in or working in Dublin. Why?
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Post by buck02 on Jul 21, 2018 21:50:23 GMT
In s different way, tonights performance by Dublin was as impressive as many of the 15+ point victories they had at HQ over the years.
Again they proved they can win ugly if necessary.
They got a few breaks, yes, but could have driven on if needed IMO.
I honestly think the only way to beat them is to hang on in there and get a goal at the death to win by a point or two.
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Post by jackeengirl on Jul 21, 2018 21:56:10 GMT
Let me see.....Tiernan McCann got away with the blackest of blackcards early in the first half. Small got a smack to the face. Both caught on camera. But you want to talk about Michael Dara and the ref? Seems Mickey Mack is himself incapable of impartiality. Why cant they appoint refs to dublin games who are not living in or working in Dublin. Why? They do!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 21, 2018 21:58:34 GMT
Let me see.....Tiernan McCann got away with the blackest of blackcards early in the first half. Small got a smack to the face. Both caught on camera. But you want to talk about Michael Dara and the ref? Seems Mickey Mack is himself incapable of impartiality. Why cant they appoint refs to dublin games who are not living in or working in Dublin. Why? I agree that you are not impartial when on ref watch when Dublin are playing. Moreover, however, I agree with you even stronger that Dublin-based refs should not be reffing Dublin games.
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Post by jackeengirl on Jul 21, 2018 22:07:22 GMT
Why cant they appoint refs to dublin games who are not living in or working in Dublin. Why? I agree that you are not impartial when on ref watch when Dublin are playing. Moreover, however, I agree with you even stronger that Dublin-based refs should not be reffing Dublin games. I agree actually. However he is Meathman from a Meath club. Why would he do Dublin any favours. He's not a Dub. The optics wouldn't be great however.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 21, 2018 22:33:48 GMT
I agree that you are not impartial when on ref watch when Dublin are playing. Moreover, however, I agree with you even stronger that Dublin-based refs should not be reffing Dublin games. I agree actually. However he is Meathman from a Meath club. Why would he do Dublin any favours. He's not a Dub. The optics wouldn't be great however. You agree or not 😂 I don't think he does ye favours necessarily but shouldn't be reffing Dublin games if he lives in Dublin. In fact why not a Connacht or Munster ref, ideally? Perhaps it is the case the best refs are not from Dublin but live in Dublin?
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Post by jackeengirl on Jul 22, 2018 8:31:41 GMT
I agree actually. However he is Meathman from a Meath club. Why would he do Dublin any favours. He's not a Dub. The optics wouldn't be great however. You agree or not 😂 I don't think he does ye any favours but shouldn't be reffing Dublin games if he lives in Dublin. In fact why not a Connacht or Munster ref, ideally? Perhaps it is the case the best refs are not from Dublin but live in Dublin? Haha typical woman being ambiguous. Ok I agree that the optics of having a referee that lives and works in Dublin are not ideal. I think you've hit the nail on the head. In fact I think There is only 1 ref who actually is a Dub if I'm correct. It's all too easy to see things with and I Dublin specs on in ant given game because you Want the Dubs tp lose so badly. I get it. Equally us Dubs tend to see only all the decisions that go against us too. It's human nature.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 22, 2018 9:36:47 GMT
I agree actually. However he is Meathman from a Meath club. Why would he do Dublin any favours. He's not a Dub. The optics wouldn't be great however. You agree or not 😂 I don't think he does ye any favours but shouldn't be reffing Dublin games if he lives in Dublin. In fact why not a Connacht or Munster ref, ideally? Perhaps it is the case the best refs are not from Dublin but live in Dublin? Can i ask you whether you watched the Tyrone v Dublin game yesterday particularly from the 60th minute on when the game was in the balance.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 22, 2018 9:48:07 GMT
You agree or not 😂 I don't think he does ye any favours but shouldn't be reffing Dublin games if he lives in Dublin. In fact why not a Connacht or Munster ref, ideally? Perhaps it is the case the best refs are not from Dublin but live in Dublin? Can i ask you whether you watched the Tyrone v Dublin game yesterday particularly from the 60th minute on when the game was in the balance. I didn't watch it but in my experience you are biased against Dublin and refs reffing Dublin in general. I am not saying he did or did not favour Dublin on this occasion. The point however is because the ref lives in Dublin he is open to these kinds of accusations and agree he should not be reffing these games.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 22, 2018 9:52:33 GMT
So you don't have an informed opinion. You are just peddling pre-conceived opinions based on nothing more than prejudice.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 22, 2018 10:10:30 GMT
So you don't have an informed opinion. You are just peddling pre-conceived opinions based on nothing more than prejudice. I don't want Dublin-based refs reffing Dublin matches. Full stop.
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