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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 13:40:38 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 14, 2018 18:29:12 GMT
OOOccch............The prelude to phantom Dublin Joe frees and the resulting monster might see such a Dublin phenomenon extinct shortly. It will be interesting to watch the ref in this years final. It might be good for the game if Tyrone pulled a win out of the bag with a late free. Strange senario, brilliant positive football from the Dubs boring the masses saved by not so brilliant positive football from Tyrone. Has a touch of footballing banana republic about it. From a purely footballing perspective one would want to see brilliantly positive Dublin prevail in three weeks. It adds to occasion to see if Harte can pull another proverbial rabbit out of the bag with something new.............Fascinating stuff. Dublin might need to be more than one point ahead going through the gate at the end of the game this time. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0813/984824-the-awkward-irony-of-gaas-attendnce-problem/
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2018 18:53:41 GMT
"Hoist on their own petard" as they say.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 16, 2018 16:25:18 GMT
I was looking through the program from the Kildare game earlier.
I found it strange that there is a 2 page piece in it written by Colm Keys titled Safeguarding the Future.
Essentially, the article outlined some rule changes in the AFL and flew a few kites about possible rule changes for Gaelic Football. 13 a side, conventional formations from kickouts, marks close to the goal were all suggested.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 16, 2018 18:33:12 GMT
I was looking through the program from the Kildare game earlier. I found it strange that there is a 2 page piece in it written by Colm Keys titled Safeguarding the Future. Essentially, the article outlined some rule changes in the AFL and flew a few kites about possible rule changes for Gaelic Football. 13 a side, conventional formations from kickouts, marks close to the goal were all suggested. Marks close to the goal are something that Colm Parkinson has been pushing fairly regularly.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2018 18:48:56 GMT
I don't know what the obsession is with 13 a side. Do we want something like sevens rugby? So who would you leave off the '70-'80s team if it was 13 a side then, Sheehy & Egan? Spare me.
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Post by veteran on Aug 16, 2018 21:17:13 GMT
I am always intrigued by various suggestions to improve the game - thirteen per side , ensure the kickout reaches a certain distance , ensure a certain amount of players are in a certain area(wonder how that could be policed) , two referees(of the same calibre of the current ones? ) and yet the rampaging elephant in the room is ignored. Why not start by restoring the foot to football. In other words curtail the cursed handpass perhaps to two in any one movement . Try it and see where that takes us. I have no doubt it would improve our game immeasurably.. Then look at other measures.
The mark is a good innovation but of course it is ludicrous allowing it for a chest high catch.
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Post by southward on Aug 16, 2018 21:27:02 GMT
I am always intrigued by various suggestions to improve the game - thirteen per side , ensure the kickout reaches a certain distance , ensure a certain amount of players are in a certain area(wonder how that could be policed) , two referees(of the same calibre of the current ones? ) and yet the rampaging elephant in the room is ignored. Why not start by restoring the foot to football. In other words curtail the cursed handpass perhaps to two in any one movement . Try it and see where that takes us. I have no doubt it would improve our game immeasurably.. Then look at other measures. The mark is a good innovation but of course it is ludicrous allowing it for a chest high catch. The handpass, the handpass, the handpass. It's the root of (most) evil here. Everyone can see it but the authorities don't want to go there. Unless and until the handpass is curtailed, the rest is only tinkering. Ban the volleyball goal and the fisted point too. There's no skill in either.
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Post by Premier on Aug 16, 2018 21:48:54 GMT
I am always intrigued by various suggestions to improve the game - thirteen per side , ensure the kickout reaches a certain distance , ensure a certain amount of players are in a certain area(wonder how that could be policed) , two referees(of the same calibre of the current ones? ) and yet the rampaging elephant in the room is ignored. Why not start by restoring the foot to football. In other words curtail the cursed handpass perhaps to two in any one movement . Try it and see where that takes us. I have no doubt it would improve our game immeasurably.. Then look at other measures. The mark is a good innovation but of course it is ludicrous allowing it for a chest high catch. The handpass, the handpass, the handpass. It's the root of (most) evil here. Everyone can see it but the authorities don't want to go there. Unless and until the handpass is curtailed, the rest is only tinkering. Ban the volleyball goal and the fisted point too. There's no skill in either. Limiting the handpass is a complete non runner. The defending team would just drop everyone behind the ball and wait for the attacking team to make their two hand passes before they boot the ball into a pile of opposition players. I think the basketball rule of not being allowed move the ball back behind the half way line after it has crossed it is a more fluid solution to teams playing keep ball
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Post by mitchelsontour on Aug 16, 2018 22:01:27 GMT
I am always intrigued by various suggestions to improve the game - thirteen per side , ensure the kickout reaches a certain distance , ensure a certain amount of players are in a certain area(wonder how that could be policed) , two referees(of the same calibre of the current ones? ) and yet the rampaging elephant in the room is ignored. Why not start by restoring the foot to football. In other words curtail the cursed handpass perhaps to two in any one movement . Try it and see where that takes us. I have no doubt it would improve our game immeasurably.. Then look at other measures. The mark is a good innovation but of course it is ludicrous allowing it for a chest high catch. The handpass, the handpass, the handpass. It's the root of (most) evil here. Everyone can see it but the authorities don't want to go there. Unless and until the handpass is curtailed, the rest is only tinkering. Ban the volleyball goal and the fisted point too. There's no skill in either. Curtail the handpass to 3 consecutive passes Ban the volleyball goal from a handpass (leave it in play from a kick pass) stop the two man choke tackle that many teams are adopting from rugby inter county games have referees as umpires and increase their responsibilities to include the ability to recommend what a referee should do
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2018 22:09:31 GMT
If they miss double hops, and they do all the time how are they going to get limited handpasses correct. And that is before we mention the four step rule being missed all the time by refs.
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Post by glengael on Aug 17, 2018 8:23:16 GMT
In the early play at the beginning of the 2nd half in the minor game last Sunday, the Kerry forward , Dylan Geaney if I remember rightly was going through and was quite visibly being held back by at least 1 if not 2 defenders, so much so that you could see him shake his hand clear as he headed towards goal. The easy, some might say clever route, would have been to fall over. But he didn't, he then took a shot which went wide. And the foul was missed by all and sundry.
If refs can't/won't see that kind of thing, how can they be counting handpasses....
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Post by veteran on Aug 17, 2018 8:48:25 GMT
The handpass, the handpass, the handpass. It's the root of (most) evil here. Everyone can see it but the authorities don't want to go there. Unless and until the handpass is curtailed, the rest is only tinkering. Ban the volleyball goal and the fisted point too. There's no skill in either. Limiting the handpass is a complete non runner. The defending team would just drop everyone behind the ball and wait for the attacking team to make their two hand passes before they boot the ball into a pile of opposition players. I think the basketball rule of not being allowed move the ball back behind the half way line after it has crossed it is a more fluid solution to teams playing keep ball The defending team with “everyone behind the ball” , after regaining possession , now have to advance from their goal area via the two hand pass rule and not as heretofore via the incessant basket ball style . In other words they would have to engage the boot as well. I have a feeling that just might encourage them to be less defensive . At the very least we would see more kicking of the ball which surely is the raison detre of football. In any case, rather than describe it as a non runner why not try it seoondary competitions.
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Post by veteran on Aug 17, 2018 8:57:35 GMT
In the early play at the beginning of the 2nd half in the minor game last Sunday, the Kerry forward , Dylan Geaney if I remember rightly was going through and was quite visibly being held back by at least 1 if not 2 defenders, so much so that you could see him shake his hand clear as he headed towards goal. The easy, some might say clever route, would have been to fall over. But he didn't, he then took a shot which went wide. And the foul was missed by all and sundry. If refs can't/won't see that kind of thing, how can they be counting handpasses.... Are you happy with the non stop hand passing that is currently rampant in our game? If you are not , what is your proposal to counteract it. Would you like to see more kicking in the game? If so , how would you encourage that? Of course , referees are going to make mistakes but if the ultimate outcome is to increase a kicking game then we will just have to accept refereeing mistakes as we always have to do. That is a painful fact of life. Of course, it maybe that you are happy with the hand pasing game. If so, we part company.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 17, 2018 9:53:46 GMT
In the early play at the beginning of the 2nd half in the minor game last Sunday, the Kerry forward , Dylan Geaney if I remember rightly was going through and was quite visibly being held back by at least 1 if not 2 defenders, so much so that you could see him shake his hand clear as he headed towards goal. The easy, some might say clever route, would have been to fall over. But he didn't, he then took a shot which went wide. And the foul was missed by all and sundry. If refs can't/won't see that kind of thing, how can they be counting handpasses.... Are you happy with the non stop hand passing that is currently rampant in our game? If you are not , what is your proposal to counteract it. Would you like to see more kicking in the game? If so , how would you encourage that? Of course , referees are going to make mistakes but if the ultimate outcome is to increase a kicking game then we will just have to accept refereeing mistakes as we always have to do. That is a painful fact of life. Of course, it maybe that you are happy with the hand pasing game. If so, we part company. A mark would seem like the natural way to go for an attacking team within the 45 and/or limit handpassing. Shot clock is a no go for me as is not passing back once within the 45. Pity we cant just have go game rules works very well at u8😉
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Post by southward on Aug 17, 2018 20:24:36 GMT
The handpass, the handpass, the handpass. It's the root of (most) evil here. Everyone can see it but the authorities don't want to go there. Unless and until the handpass is curtailed, the rest is only tinkering. Ban the volleyball goal and the fisted point too. There's no skill in either. Curtail the handpass to 3 consecutive passes Ban the volleyball goal from a handpass (leave it in play from a kick pass) stop the two man choke tackle that many teams are adopting from rugby inter county games have referees as umpires and increase their responsibilities to include the ability to recommend what a referee should do Fair enough.
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Post by southward on Aug 17, 2018 20:30:55 GMT
In the early play at the beginning of the 2nd half in the minor game last Sunday, the Kerry forward , Dylan Geaney if I remember rightly was going through and was quite visibly being held back by at least 1 if not 2 defenders, so much so that you could see him shake his hand clear as he headed towards goal. The easy, some might say clever route, would have been to fall over. But he didn't, he then took a shot which went wide. And the foul was missed by all and sundry. If refs can't/won't see that kind of thing, how can they be counting handpasses.... No big deal if the ref misses an extra handpass, just like they miss extra steps all the time. But having a rule means it can't go on endlessly and teams won't be able to go the length of the pitch without some football breaking out.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 17, 2018 22:13:01 GMT
I don't know what the obsession is with 13 a side. Do we want something like sevens rugby? So who would you leave off the '70-'80s team if it was 13 a side then, Sheehy & Egan? Spare me. you could nearly lose the 4 midfielders from todays game . Moving the kickout to the 14 yard line was their undoing. I think 13 a side is worth a look.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 18, 2018 15:52:47 GMT
Below is an extract from an interview in today's paper with Anthony Cunningham about the the danger of unintended consequences. The discussion was about making the sliother heavier to stop points from 100 yards. He says hurling is now more like basketball where a score is expected from every attack. I think he is right about the black card leading to massed defense to avoid the corner back getting isolated and ending up getting black carded.
We saw with the black card, it was brought in and what happened was that managers introduced more sweepers, to make sure their cornerbacks weren’t caught out in one-on-one situations; it meant football evolved with more packed defences. Definitely, there’s no question that coaches would have to be involved in the process.
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Post by southward on Aug 18, 2018 17:31:58 GMT
Below is an extract from an interview in today's paper with Anthony Cunningham about the the danger of unintended consequences. The discussion was about making the sliother heavier to stop points from 100 yards. He says hurling is now more like basketball where a score is expected from every attack. I think he is right about the black card leading to massed defense to avoid the corner back getting isolated and ending up getting black carded. We saw with the black card, it was brought in and what happened was that managers introduced more sweepers, to make sure their cornerbacks weren’t caught out in one-on-one situations; it meant football evolved with more packed defences. Definitely, there’s no question that coaches would have to be involved in the process.Dubious theory. Ulster were packing the defences long before the black card was a twinkle in a GAA administrator's eye. Mickey Harte first, then JMG, who brought it to a new level.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 18:25:35 GMT
The biggest blight on the game is the mass defence. This means too much meaningless hand passing, no space for forwards, no point kicking in high ball.
Rather than changing rules to address the consequences of mass defence, it would be more productive to stop teams bringing everyone back eg at all times a team must have 4 players inside the opposition 65. Immediately it would put an end to the blanket defence and create space for forwards.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 18, 2018 19:24:23 GMT
There wasn't much wrong with the game during the last two All-Ireland finals when both Dublin & Mayo transitioned effortlessly between massed defence and attack. It was fascinating high-end football. The massed defence becomes an eyesore when it is not matted to an attacking game. Dublin just seem to effortlessly and consistently enhance what Donegal managed for one season in 2012 in every game they play now.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 18, 2018 19:47:48 GMT
There wasn't much wrong with the game during the last two All-Ireland finals when both Dublin & Mayo transitioned effortlessly between massed defence and attack. It was fascinating high-end football. The massed defence becomes an eyesore when it is not matted to an attacking game. Dublin just seem to effortlessly and consistently enhance what Donegal managed for one season in 2012 in every game they play now. Nothing worse alright than a blanket that wont stretch to the other end of the bed.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 19, 2018 15:13:23 GMT
There wasn't much wrong with the game during the last two All-Ireland finals when both Dublin & Mayo transitioned effortlessly between massed defence and attack. It was fascinating high-end football. The massed defence becomes an eyesore when it is not matted to an attacking game. Dublin just seem to effortlessly and consistently enhance what Donegal managed for one season in 2012 in every game they play now. Nothing worse alright than a blanket that wont stretch to the other end of the bed. Depends on the length of the bed.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 19, 2018 21:56:44 GMT
Nothing worse alright than a blanket that wont stretch to the other end of the bed. Depends on the length of the bed. It does. Its one thing playing with the blanket in narrower shorter grounds but Croker is a king size.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 16:48:48 GMT
soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hourThere is an hour long interview with Donaghy on Colm Parkinson’s podcast,pretty interesting listening even though I would not agree with everything Kieran said.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2018 11:28:16 GMT
soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hourThere is an hour long interview with Donaghy on Colm Parkinson’s podcast,pretty interesting listening even though I would not agree with everything Kieran said. looks to me like KD will retire before a new manager is appointed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 16:57:19 GMT
soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hourThere is an hour long interview with Donaghy on Colm Parkinson’s podcast,pretty interesting listening even though I would not agree with everything Kieran said. looks to me like KD will retire before a new manager is appointed. That seems to be it alright although I wouldn't rule anything out given he only comes back to training in April.
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Post by homerj on Aug 24, 2018 10:16:04 GMT
soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hourThere is an hour long interview with Donaghy on Colm Parkinson’s podcast,pretty interesting listening even though I would not agree with everything Kieran said. would you give us the key points of the interview maybe!?
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Post by buck02 on Aug 24, 2018 11:02:49 GMT
I thought that was a brilliant, honest interview by Donaghy. It strongly hints he will be announcing his retirement in the next few weeks but he is so honest when talking, it makes it inevitable that he will actually retire given the omerta inter-county players operate under.
He wont be popular with some people on here after it.
He has a go at Kerry people who dont bother or make excuses not to go to games but can still find the time to slate players and the team on forums and the radio. He laughs at the "Kick it in Brigade".
He refused to criticise Eamon Fitz for not playing him against Galway.
Talks of a few anonymous letters he got himself. Speaks of how Clifford is a natural leader.
Tells a few yarns about the change in the inter-county player over the last decade and a half. Not being allowed cheese and coleslaw rolls and bottles of fizzy drinks in the dressing rooms being one of them.
Speaks of Jayos influence on Dublin forward play bringing in basketball plays, set plays and the likes.
Says that if Sunday week is a wet, dirty day that Tyrone could take Dublin but if the conditions are good Dublin will win handy.
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