|
Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2018 21:31:51 GMT
We hear a lot of similar sentiment these days. However, and maybe I'm just thick, but I genuinely can't figure out what it is that these people are looking for. Don't want a tiered championship - fair enough. It's not about money - ok. There's a reference to the American football draft pick and salary cap systems, which obviously aren't applicable to the GAA. Neil Ewing wants the Sligos and other weaker counties to play with the big boys but seems to bemoan the professionalism needed at that level. Is it that he wants the top teams to drop their standards to accommodate the others? He doesn't agree with the super 8s and sees it as elitist even though it's quite the opposite - getting there, and thereby playing several top teams, is actually very achieveable for a lot of counties. I'm seeing a lot of rather vague grumblings but, aside from expanding Div 1 of the league, no real ideas. Maybe I'm misreading but I really don't get what he's on about here. Its not that hard to get into the super 8s.
|
|
|
Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 17, 2018 21:52:37 GMT
We hear a lot of similar sentiment these days. However, and maybe I'm just thick, but I genuinely can't figure out what it is that these people are looking for. Don't want a tiered championship - fair enough. It's not about money - ok. There's a reference to the American football draft pick and salary cap systems, which obviously aren't applicable to the GAA. Neil Ewing wants the Sligos and other weaker counties to play with the big boys but seems to bemoan the professionalism needed at that level. Is it that he wants the top teams to drop their standards to accommodate the others? He doesn't agree with the super 8s and sees it as elitist even though it's quite the opposite - getting there, and thereby playing several top teams, is actually very achieveable for a lot of counties. I'm seeing a lot of rather vague grumblings but, aside from expanding Div 1 of the league, no real ideas. Maybe I'm misreading but I really don't get what he's on about here. Its not that hard to get into the super 8s. Tell that to Tipp, Cork, Clare, Armagh, Cavan, Mayo, Meath.
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2018 21:55:34 GMT
Its not that hard to get into the super 8s. Tell that to Tipp, Cork, Clare, Armagh, Cavan, Mayo, Meath. Ask Kildare & Roscommon.
|
|
|
Post by southward on Jul 17, 2018 22:04:21 GMT
Its not that hard to get into the super 8s. Tell that to Tipp, Cork, Clare, Armagh, Cavan, Mayo, Meath. Yeah, well obviously everyone can't be there in any given year but the point is that it's doable for most counties with any sort of ambition (which, ok, maybe excludes Cork alright).
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2018 23:45:13 GMT
We hear a lot of similar sentiment these days. However, and maybe I'm just thick, but I genuinely can't figure out what it is that these people are looking for. Don't want a tiered championship - fair enough. It's not about money - ok. There's a reference to the American football draft pick and salary cap systems, which obviously aren't applicable to the GAA. Neil Ewing wants the Sligos and other weaker counties to play with the big boys but seems to bemoan the professionalism needed at that level. Is it that he wants the top teams to drop their standards to accommodate the others? He doesn't agree with the super 8s and sees it as elitist even though it's quite the opposite - getting there, and thereby playing several top teams, is actually very achieveable for a lot of counties. I'm seeing a lot of rather vague grumblings but, aside from expanding Div 1 of the league, no real ideas. Maybe I'm misreading but I really don't get what he's on about here. Its not that hard to get into the super 8s. Certainly true if you are from Dublin or Kerry
|
|
|
Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 18, 2018 0:49:22 GMT
In the 17 qualifier years from 2001 to 2017, a grand total of 23 counties made it to the quarter-finals. So any half decent three year plan should include a Super 8 slot as a measure of improvement.
By the way, the 9 counties NOT to make a qualifier quarter-final appearance are:
Antrim, Carlow, Leitrim, London, Longford, Louth,
Offaly, Waterford and Wicklow.
Kilkenny has not participated, so they obviously are not included.
Most quarter-final appearances: Kerry 17, Dublin 16, Tyrone 13, Mayo 12, Cork 11, Donegal 10.
For all that is worth...
|
|
|
Post by glengael on Jul 18, 2018 9:10:14 GMT
Yes he will be a huge loss to football. Great bravery and determination to come back from those injuries. A lesson for others perhaps.
|
|
|
Post by brosna11 on Jul 18, 2018 20:50:25 GMT
Im led to believe Danny Sheehan (Legion) will be joining Nemo Rangers at end of season due to work commitments.
A warrior for Legion throughout the years and will be Kerry's loss. I hope we don't see him in a Cork jersey in the future cause he's well capable of it.
|
|
|
Post by glengael on Jul 20, 2018 9:53:13 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 20, 2018 10:10:16 GMT
Could they not just say match and play ground football. There is few clubs in cork that rent out their 5 a side pitches to soccer but they have football goals. They can't help if the lads just play 'ground football'
|
|
|
Post by baurtregaum on Jul 20, 2018 11:37:10 GMT
Very interesting alright The optics for the GAA regarding this are bad. Why not have it in PUC with a % of the larger Gate going to Marymount Hospice or something. Authorities should have made it clear from the off that Stadium would multi use once developed or allowing 2 or 3 special events each year for the greater good. A shame that Munster must play in Aviva for any large capacity games or the Soccer team don't play outside the pale.
|
|
|
Post by augustafield on Jul 20, 2018 12:49:09 GMT
Poor organisational foresight by those involved regarding venue . All past top class players indicate their delight to attend , date finalised , promotion and sdvertising material issue and after all that no venue . Talk about putting the cart before the horse .
Why not try the Aviva - the FAI have part ownership of that although they still owe a huge amount of its costs.
The Rugby people have their house in order , as do the GAA so whats holding back the soccer crowd . And why should the GAA bail them out ? Rules are rules and their hands are tied. Blaming the GAA is a handy way of deflecting attention from their own incompetence .
|
|
|
Post by mitchelsontour on Jul 20, 2018 16:04:33 GMT
Ewan MacKenna: Croke Park has gone from the jewel in the crown to the pain in the a**e There's a wonderful photo from way back, comprising of so many of the contradictions that made the GAA special. It's from 1993 and shows Liam Mulvihill, Peter Quinn and architect Des McMahon sitting stern-faced before a scale model of a new Croke Park as they unveiled an unlikely future. It's a mix of ordinary hard-working men and a massive and complex construction project; of a relatively small organisation with a big dream; of humility alongside grandiose notions that not just could come next for the association, but that had to come next for it. Indeed while these days we complain about the GAA tipping a scales around a lust for money over meaning, this was the introduction of business when to avoid it would have resulted in big losses to sporting competitors as the entire game changed. It's interesting in hindsight to look at the quality of the plan, the cost, and the delivery beside other projects since taken on within the GAA. McHale Park with a monstrosity of a stand held together with sight-stopping pillars for €16m; Semple's €18m upgrade that sees warm-ups still forced to a field over the road, and that inspired one of the first remarks upon unveiling to be, “Where did the other €17m go?”; the Mackey Stand at the Gaelic Grounds being built too shallow so you cannot see past the person in front, while the rest of the stadium involved a basic uncovered stand with 12,000 seats and a couple of tick-the-box ends for €12 million; the €70m Páirc Uí Chaoimh where there remain a couple of roof-less terraces, in a place where it rains on average 204 days a year. And still... Croke Park may be one of the areas they got it so right, but what was once about foresight and growing the game is now an arena that embodies the thinking that is holding so much back. That's the irony in this. If you don't believe us, look back at the first weekend of the Super 8s. Vacuous. Soulless. Torturous. And all for what? The idea of build it and they will come has long since vanished. There are a myriad of reasons for the fall in average football attendances in particular, from structures to style to society. But you maxmise what you have for all those involved, from players to fans to more general optics. That hasn't happened though, with the bringing of games there so regularly like a once-fat man wearing old clothes after much weight loss. It feels bad and it looks bad. The size and scale of the place means that on anything other than the biggest of days, it is a dull and boring experience that sucks the intensity from a game and the life from the crowd. A 2005 report may have said that lining out there would be “the sporting pinnacle in a player’s life”. However those days are gone and that's the myth in headquarters - that it's some sort of reward for a team, as if they'e earned this unusual occasion. What's seldom is wonderful but this is anything but rare. Take the last five football championships played out by those that have qualified for this year's Super 8s. Between 2013 and 2017, Galway in a barren spell have been there five times, as have Monaghan. Tyrone have lined out nine times in tough times, only once a year less than their golden era of 2003-2008. Kildare have been called upon 11 times, when there were only 18 similar occasions across the entire 1990s during a period that they were a cash-cow via their following. Kerry have been on 13 visits, versus the 10 of the near five-in-a-row group of 1978-1982. Dublin meanwhile have had 29 summer games in a ground some still claim isn't their home, which is more than Irish rugby team have played in Lansdowne Road - 26 home games in that same spell. It isn't even a novelty for Roscommon as the second of their two visits for a derby quarter-final replay with Mayo saw just 39,154 show, meaning it wasn't half full. And can you imagine Donegal and the longest trip of all on Saturday, as they were asked to a late throw-in, making it eight trips in six seasons. It's no longer so far fetched to imagine a mother there asking the kids if they want to go only to be met with, “Not again”. What isn't far fetched at all would be a financial sigh of relief. There's a key economic element in that regard. Last year a government report showed essentially how the capital is eating up Ireland. Dublin's employment growth rate has been at 16 per cent versus six per cent in the west; expendable household income has followed; as has public and private investment. This isn't solely an Irish issue and it doesn't seem a GAA issue, but the GAA had always gone above and beyond in terms of trying to do better for its country outside of sport too. Until recently. Think about the needless battle to try and stop Kildare hosting Mayo in what was worth €400,000 to the local Newbridge economy, and to try and bring that money to a booming Dublin. Last weekend's two double-headers in Croke Park were also part of that pointless greed when they could have been used to boost not just the sport, but the economy elsewhere across the country. For some time that hasn't been the case. Mulvihill when director-general said in the 1990s that Croke Park was a bold, forward-looking statement by the GAA to its own supporters as it was “a message to the wider public about the unquenchable spirit of Gaelic games from Malin Head to Mizen Head”. That spirit now needs reviving via a bold statement involving a greater avoidance of the place. If you are to look at football – for hurling has been fortunate in this sphere, highlighted best by this season where just four of their 30 top-tier games will be in Croke Park - there's a clear and unfortunate trend. Through the 1950s, 6.7 games per season were played in headquarters. By the '60s that number reached 7.5, in the '70s it went to 8, come the '80s it dropped to 7.2, and across the '90s it was 8.3. All those numbers provided a balance well below saturation point, where there was money to be made while keeping the idea of it being a special place. That changed though. Between 2000 and 2009, 16 games per football championship went there, and nine seasons into this decade that average has been almost retained with 123 matches, providing there are no replays in the next month. It means that the 283 encounters there in the last 18 years is the same as the 36 seasons prior to it, accounting for a time-frame between 1964 and 1999. We get the notion people want to show off, thus the whipping out of the holiday photos. But administration must realise we don't want to see them. Besides, this doesn't suit the GAA either. Or it shouldn't. In a part of their main competition that somewhere picked up a name that sounds like Hull should be playing Castleford, this was the sell to Sky and this is how they want to show the game as glorious. Croke Park may be the fur coat in that regard, but the attendance and their atmosphere are the undergarments. Thus the start of the Super 8s was brutal for brand image. Naked and afraid. That's been the case around fixtures on Jones' Road for some time now as the novelty faded. Last weekend many bemoaned the 30,740 and 53,501 that paid but why any surprise? With extra games squeezed in it ups costs while taking away the all-or-nothing feel, and you can lump in the idea that Kerry and Galway won't travel regardless of a World Cup final, that it was too early for a bandwagon in Kildare, Monaghan don't have the numbers for a bandwagon, Donegal were asked to get home in the middle of the night, and Dublin are not yet engaged due to later inevitability. Besides, quarter-finals those same five previous years from 2013 to 2017 haven't been well attended when they had a lot more at stake and a lot more going for them. In 2017, the average per game was 37,380; in 2016 it 27,887; in 2015 it was 30,118; in 2014 it was 27,576; in 2013 it was 33,371. What all those figures scream is that those games would have provided packed grounds, huge occasions and better spectacles at provincial venues. It was a great shame and a terrible waste. It's why for all the doom and gloom concerning the Super 8s, some of it will lift this weekend as games go nationwide. What we need of that is more, not less. There's still much wrong with the format for sure. Seventy-five per cent of counties aren't involved, and fall further behind in a system already built on unfair provincial structures. Also this creation actually addresses none of the club fixture issues while worsening an intercounty crisis. But if we are stuck with it until 2020, at least let's maximise it's potential and make that Croke Park round a neutral round from now on. In that sense mistakes are forgivable after all, so long as not repeated and replicated. Back in 2005, the GAA did a marketing study regarding Croke Park's longer-term impact. “The scale of the achievement of the stadium may become disconnected from the association that created it,” it read. “The former brand may grow in stature at the explicit expense of the latter.” It's of course about a far greater disconnect than just the physical one, but that's a part of it and that's an element that's fixable. Only they still haven't listened to their own advice. It's high time now though. Otherwise, what visionaries saw as a jewel in the crown will continue to be a pain in the arse. www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-croke-park-has-gone-from-the-jewel-in-the-crown-to-the-pain-in-the-ae-37135561.html
|
|
|
Post by sullyschoice on Jul 20, 2018 18:23:37 GMT
Poor organisational foresight by those involved regarding venue . All past top class players indicate their delight to attend , date finalised , promotion and sdvertising material issue and after all that no venue . Talk about putting the cart before the horse . Why not try the Aviva - the FAI have part ownership of that although they still owe a huge amount of its costs. The Rugby people have their house in order , as do the GAA so whats holding back the soccer crowd . And why should the GAA bail them out ? Rules are rules and their hands are tied. Blaming the GAA is a handy way of deflecting attention from their own incompetence . FAI = F# k All Infrastructure. A useful reply to the soccer crowd spouting about the Grab All Association
|
|
|
Post by ballhopper34 on Jul 20, 2018 19:34:26 GMT
The rule book is very clear - if used for other field games, the users are subject to sanctions, including fines.
Solution: State that if PUC is used, Gaa HQ will fine them a tenner. GAA HQ at the same will buy several tickets to the event.
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 20, 2018 20:08:59 GMT
The rule book is very clear - if used for other field games, the users are subject to sanctions, including fines. Solution: State that if PUC is used, Gaa HQ will fine them a tenner. GAA HQ at the same will buy several tickets to the event. There's nearly always a solution- if you want to find a solution
|
|
|
Post by sullyschoice on Jul 20, 2018 20:59:11 GMT
I would have absolutely no problem with this match happening in Pairc Ui chaoimh. What I have a problem with is others trying to blame the GAA because the FAI are sh1te and have no decent stadia of their own. There are loads of soccer teams tbat operate around my area and only one has a clubhouse. None have their own pitches and the players change at their car boots. That's not anybody's fault but their own.
Good luck to Liam Millers family.
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 20, 2018 22:03:00 GMT
I would have absolutely no problem with this match happening in Pairc Ui chaoimh. What I have a problem with is others trying to blame the GAA because the FAI are sh1te and have no decent stadia of their own. There are loads of soccer teams tbat operate around my area and only one has a clubhouse. None have their own pitches and the players change at their car boots. That's not anybody's fault but their own. Good luck to Liam Millers family. While I agree with you on soccer clubs being in *e- I would say that this isn’t a GAA v soccer debate. It’s a more human story and it’s about raising money for a family who have lost their father/husband. Without wishing to sound too romantic about the concept- irish society as a whole should help each other out in such situations. They had no prob with Ed sheeran playing there to a crowd of, predominantly, underage drunken teenagers. Why not help a bereaved family - it’s fairly straight forward goodwill
|
|
|
Post by sullyschoice on Jul 20, 2018 22:58:12 GMT
I would have absolutely no problem with this match happening in Pairc Ui chaoimh. What I have a problem with is others trying to blame the GAA because the FAI are sh1te and have no decent stadia of their own. There are loads of soccer teams tbat operate around my area and only one has a clubhouse. None have their own pitches and the players change at their car boots. That's not anybody's fault but their own. Good luck to Liam Millers family. While I agree with you on soccer clubs being in *e- I would say that this isn’t a GAA v soccer debate. It’s a more human story and it’s about raising money for a family who have lost their father/husband. Without wishing to sound too romantic about the concept- irish society as a whole should help each other out in such situations. They had no prob with Ed sheeran playing there to a crowd of, predominantly, underage drunken teenagers. Why not help a bereaved family - it’s fairly straight forward goodwill I agree with you. My problem.is that anti GAA people are trying to blame the GAA for not facilitating the event where as their sporting organisation are a shambles. I was at a GAA match in Ravenhill a few years ago and if it can happen there it can happen anywhere.
|
|
|
Post by southward on Jul 21, 2018 0:08:45 GMT
While I agree with you on soccer clubs being in *e- I would say that this isn’t a GAA v soccer debate. It’s a more human story and it’s about raising money for a family who have lost their father/husband. Without wishing to sound too romantic about the concept- irish society as a whole should help each other out in such situations. They had no prob with Ed sheeran playing there to a crowd of, predominantly, underage drunken teenagers. Why not help a bereaved family - it’s fairly straight forward goodwill I agree with you. My problem.is that anti GAA people are trying to blame the GAA for not facilitating the event where as their sporting organisation are a shambles. I was at a GAA match in Ravenhill a few years ago and if it can happen there it can happen anywhere. Ironically, Liam Miller was a professional sportsman and the game will be played by fellow professionals, yet people feel the right to demand the facilities of an amateur organisation for the occasion. Hopefully the organisers get a suitable venue, whomever provides it, but it's the presumptuousness that rankles a little.
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 21, 2018 6:40:42 GMT
I agree with you. My problem.is that anti GAA people are trying to blame the GAA for not facilitating the event where as their sporting organisation are a shambles. I was at a GAA match in Ravenhill a few years ago and if it can happen there it can happen anywhere. Ironically, Liam Miller was a professional sportsman and the game will be played by fellow professionals, yet people feel the right to demand the facilities of an amateur organisation for the occasion. Hopefully the organisers get a suitable venue, whomever provides it, but it's the presumptuousness that rankles a little. For the love of god, you are missing the point by quite a distance here. It’s nothing to do with the sportsmen, be they professional or amateur, it’s to do with raising money for a bereaved family.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 7:21:41 GMT
Well said, also from what I can see most of the criticism of the GAA here is coming from GAA people and not the 'soccer crowd'.
|
|
|
Post by southward on Jul 21, 2018 8:42:58 GMT
Ironically, Liam Miller was a professional sportsman and the game will be played by fellow professionals, yet people feel the right to demand the facilities of an amateur organisation for the occasion. Hopefully the organisers get a suitable venue, whomever provides it, but it's the presumptuousness that rankles a little. For the love of god, you are missing the point by quite a distance here. It’s nothing to do with the sportsmen, be they professional or amateur, it’s to do with raising money for a bereaved family. With respect, I get that and I hope the game does go ahead at the páirc or somewhere else suitable. And btw I'm not anti-soccer in the slightest; played it for years and togged off in many a ditch too. I just don't see why the GAA are copping the media flak for this or why people think it's their responsibility to provide a venue. Frankly, the organisers should have sorted this out first. But look, you're right, the cause and the family are the most important thing here. Hopefully the occasion is a success, wherever it's on.
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 21, 2018 8:53:21 GMT
For the love of god, you are missing the point by quite a distance here. It’s nothing to do with the sportsmen, be they professional or amateur, it’s to do with raising money for a bereaved family. With respect, I get that and I hope the game does go ahead at the páirc or somewhere else suitable. And btw I'm not anti-soccer in the slightest; played it for years and togged off in many a ditch too. I just don't see why the GAA are copping the media flak for this or why people think it's their responsibility to provide a venue. Frankly, the organisers should have sorted this out first. But look, you're right, the cause and the family are the most important thing here. Hopefully the occasion is a success, wherever it's on. The reason why they are getting flak is because they have been asked to assist in a fund raising game and have refused to allow access to a venue that is not in the use that weekend and will allow more money to be raised. The hypocrisy of having concerts there adds to the level of annoyance as it shows a desire to open the grounds up for money making/commercial ventures but not for a fundraising initiative- we can only speculate as to why. However with all the recent carry on about super 8's games, Dublin always playing at home, the Newbridge thing, the Sky deal - it is easy to start to speculate that if there was enough cash in this for the GAA then they would do it.
|
|
|
Post by veteran on Jul 21, 2018 9:23:01 GMT
Not for the first time our soccer brethren are shown up as a collection of wasters, coming cap in hand once more to an amateur organisation to bail them out. What a collection of carpetbaggers. Their C.E.O. I am told is one of the highest paid in Europe, if not the highest paid, carrying a tag of over E500,000. He and his cohorts preside over an association where currently two of their units, Limerick City and Bray Wanderers , are unable to pay the wages of their players. It is probable that these two teams will go to the wall, as so many other teams in the L.O.I. have over the years. Is it any wonder these guys do no not have a worthwhile stadium of their own with most of the teams in the league having to play in grounds no better than a cabbage garden. Accordingly, they are reduced to use moral blackmail to entice an amateur organisation to lend them their stadium. Do these guys have any sense of pride?
When I was a garsun and living in Cork I was a frequent patron of Flower Lodge, now Pairc Ui Rinn. As people on this forum know it is a smashing ground. The lease expired and it went up for sale. The soccer boys could not compete with the GAA in the market place and the rest is history. Why could they not compete? Because the soccer fraternity the world over is populated by shysters where money is king. Money being king is tolerable to an extent provided it is properly appropriated and accounted for. Everybody on here is as familiar with the corruption and chicanery which obtains in UEFA/FIFA where the location of tournaments is more likely to be determined by backhanders than suitability. Going back to Flower Lodge. Here is an example of the myopic and immediate profit attitude of the soccer brethren in Cork back then. At that time, George Best was a has been but was a gun for hire. Cork Celtic got the brilliant ides of hiring him for a game. I think E1000 was the fee, astronomical money at the time. George duly came, collected but did not deliver. I think he may have played about three games in all for them. Not surprisingly Cork Celtic folded a short time afterwards. That is the type of circus soccer administrators in Ireland specialise in. They are now about to organise another circus, albeit in aid of a worthy cause, but they want to piggy back on their neighbour's adroit use of their resources. What is new says you.
So, once again the GAA are getting it in the neck for the profligacy of another sporting organisation. They are being accused of greed and insularity rather than being complimented for good governance. Not surprising really because good governance is an alien concept in this country. Undoubtedly , a lot of people are genuinely upset over this situation and are well intentioned but equally there are huge swathes of people who are not particularly distressed by the situation but merely want to use as a stick with which to beat the GAA , an organisation they would dearly love to see fall off the cliff.
So, what is to be done. I feel I have a solution but admittedly it has a down side. The downside is that, if implemented,nobody will be able to moan to Joe Duffy and other organs of the media and nobody will have to clamber up the high moral ground. Be that as it may. Here is the solution. Anybody who wishes to support the Liam Millar fund but are precluded from doing so by being unable to get a ticket then all they have got to do is to post a cheque for E50 to the fund. That is what I intend to do on Monday. Now I know they will be denied access to the circus that is being planned but Duffy's circus usually calls to a town near you in August.
|
|
|
Post by glengael on Jul 21, 2018 9:23:25 GMT
In 2014 the GAA (elite) were ready willing and able to ignore a binding agreement about the number of concerts to be held in Croke Park, once the price was right. Yet they can apply the rules 100% down the line in cases like this.
There was a photo on Twitter yesterday of young Liam Miller captaining a football team in Pairc ui Chaoimh so it's not as if he never saw the place during his short life.
Yes we can be critical of soccer clubs/FAI and yes there are professional GAA bashers out in force in this case and that is annoying. But for once, just once, it would be nice to see the GAA (elite) be the bigger people and show a human side. We can all live our lives by 'legal advice' and the CYA mentality but sometimes taking a tiny risk might be the right thing to do and see how that feels. The sky won't fall in.
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 21, 2018 9:35:19 GMT
Why do people keep dragging the FAI into this- they don’t stand to benefit from this, the Miller family do. We need to stop beating that drum- I’ll kick the soccer crowd when it’s appropriate as they are a shower of chancers & crooks but this is about raising money for a bereaved family and not the inherent issues within irish soccer.
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Jul 21, 2018 11:34:07 GMT
Why do people keep dragging the FAI into this- they don’t stand to benefit from this, the Miller family do. We need to stop beating that drum- I’ll kick the soccer crowd when it’s appropriate as they are a shower of chancers & crooks but this is about raising money for a bereaved family and not the inherent issues within irish soccer. My understanding is that its Flynn the Cork builder and the GAA fraternity who are principal movers is raising money here. A bit like playing the Mayo V Kildare game in Newbridge, the GAA should stop hiding behind subsection rule x of rule y and do the honourable thing here. And while I am at it, its it just shocking that the GAA are having anything to do with Rupert Murdoch when you consider the stuff his newspaper organs peddle as shown below. His support of the leave camapign in the UK was key to the Brexit result....a result that could have major ramifications for us all yet and GAA counties along the Wild Atlantic Way in particular. Not to mention the North. www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-called-airhead-by-sun-newspaper-over-flights-remark-1.3571320
|
|
|
Post by veteran on Jul 21, 2018 14:33:50 GMT
Why do people keep dragging the FAI into this- they don’t stand to benefit from this, the Miller family do. We need to stop beating that drum- I’ll kick the soccer crowd when it’s appropriate as they are a shower of chancers & crooks but this is about raising money for a bereaved family and not the inherent issues within irish soccer. You cannot understand why people keep dragging the FAI into this . Are you serious? Is it not due to the crass ineptitude and fecklessness of the FAI that the friends of Liam Millar find themselves without a roof over their head. PS I presume you will be sending your E50 to the this worthy cause.
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 21, 2018 14:59:53 GMT
Why do people keep dragging the FAI into this- they don’t stand to benefit from this, the Miller family do. We need to stop beating that drum- I’ll kick the soccer crowd when it’s appropriate as they are a shower of chancers & crooks but this is about raising money for a bereaved family and not the inherent issues within irish soccer. You cannot understand why people keep dragging the FAI into this . Are you serious? Is it not due to the crass ineptitude and fecklessness of the FAI that the friends of Liam Millar find themselves without a roof over their head. PS I presume you will be sending your E50 to the this worthy cause. Ok so punish the family due to the ineptitude of the FAI- yeah that makes sense. Its a charity game not an FAI game so I don’t really understand why you are trying to draw an association between raising money for this family and John Delaney being a cowboy. After this decision- he will remain a cowboy and the family lose out but sure if it makes people in the GAA feel self righteous to give the soccer crowd a quasi-kicking (while using the family as the football) then grand, go ahead and enjoy it. I’ll prob go to the match if I can to be honest.
|
|