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Post by buck02 on May 7, 2018 12:59:17 GMT
The other way of looking at it is that the article will be read with interest by parents, club officers and individuals involved in coaching kids. Lessons will be learned from it which is a good thing. Or perhaps it could have an effect on volunteerism. Parents and others thinking about taking up coaching and administration might have second thoughts after reading that. Child protection is an absolute priority but I can’t help feeling reading that article that the complainants weren’t exactly whiter then white either. It also got me thinking, we all laughed at the Timmy Ryan sketch by D’unbelievables cos we all knew a Timmy Ryan from our days as young players. Poor old Timmy wouldn’t survive with the snowflakes, would he?
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Post by Mickmack on May 7, 2018 13:13:32 GMT
I agree 100%.
That is one of the lessons i was implying.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 7, 2018 13:15:42 GMT
Having recently done the Child Protection course (you have to re do it every 4 or 5 years) i have deduced that most of the complaints are from parents because Johnny isnt getting a run with the A team and his talents are being wasted on the B's.
Obviously Child Protection is a very important subject.
I think the "Snowflakes" in most situations are the parents rather than the kids.
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Post by glengael on May 7, 2018 15:26:17 GMT
Through work I know a few non-GAA clubs/groups who struggle to get volunteers now. Too much hassle for very little thanks plus the fear of wrongful accusation which can spread like wildfire now, with oxygen of social media among parents and young people.
Child Protection is important end of story. Should you want to see the other side of how Ireland treated children who were in difficulty not that very long ago, you could do worse than read Saturday's Irish Times.
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Post by An Bradán on May 7, 2018 17:31:45 GMT
Surprised at the reaction to Paul Kimmage's article. Anthenry clearly paid lip service to Child Protection policies and procedures. These are there to primarily protect children from poor behaviour or worse. It also serves to protect coaches and officers by putting rules about behaviour in place. Somebody mentioned Tom Humphries. His behaviour was appalling and should have been short circuited by correct club procedure. No kids under 18 should be contacted directly by any coach or officer. Everyone knows this for 10 or more years for goodness sake. Nobody should find themselves alone in a dressing room with kids and a closed door in this day and age. I read and re read the piece and the club seems much more concerned about circling the wagons than trying to learn from the incidents. One of these alleged incidents involved two under 12 lads being caught by the scruff of the neck and shoved into a dugout. If I was a parent of one of these kids I'd want the coach suspended or banned. If you can't deal with kids you shouldn't be involved with underage teams. There have been incidents widely reported at Go Games in Cork involving parents and coaches. Shocking stuff. I'm certain there are some Kerry clubs that have very poor child welfare too. We've all heard the crazy stories. I'm sure we've seen some too.
Again I have to say how surprised I am at the reaction to the article. If it was written by another journo would it be different. Have people actually even read through it. Both Croke Pk in the guise of National Children's Officer and the investigating Children's Officer (from Clare) were both very critical of the club behaviour. Whatever about the parents involved it's kids we're talking about here. U12 kids.
This is a warning to clubs everywhere.
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Post by Mickmack on May 7, 2018 18:34:09 GMT
I think Paul Kimmage has done a service in highlighting the issue.
The wagons were circled.
The club officials did act even handedly to put it mildly.
It is a bad news story for volunteerism. Enough to put people off.
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Post by glengael on May 8, 2018 8:20:33 GMT
"In July 2015, the parents of a 12-year-old boy had lodged a complaint with St Mary's and the Garda Síochána, alleging that a coach had grabbed their son and another player, and shoved them into the dugout during a game.
The case foundered. The complainants felt their son was then being marginalised; the club felt it was doing what it could to include him."
Extract from the article.
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Post by An Bradán on May 8, 2018 10:37:39 GMT
It gets worse each time you read it.
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2018 16:28:59 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2018 16:31:33 GMT
If the super 8 did not exist when the GAA did the deal with sky, did the GAA renogiate a new deal with them to allow them such exclusive access to the super 8?
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Post by kerrygold on May 8, 2018 19:56:32 GMT
The Super 8s & SKY will make great bedfellows...........
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2018 20:43:02 GMT
Re New Kickout.....
The ball must also travel 13m. The penalty for the ball not crossing the 20m line or being 13m in length is a cancellation of the kick-out and a throw-in on that 20m line. advertisement
A little known rules allows the goalkeeper or player taking the restart to take a touch before kicking it out. According to Rule 2.7 (a), “The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.”
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Post by buck02 on May 9, 2018 8:35:49 GMT
If the super 8 did not exist when the GAA did the deal with sky, did the GAA renogiate a new deal with them to allow them such exclusive access to the super 8? No. With the TV deal, there are 45 live TV games. RTE have 31 exclusive, Sky have 14 exclusive (and another 6 shared with RTE). Like any negotiations, there would have been to-ing and fro-ing between both RTE and SKY as to which exclusive games they would have wanted. As it transpires, Sky have 5 of the Super 8s games while RTE have 7. Not sure what the split in the hurling round robin is. What the GAA didnt take into account when making the 2017-2022 TV deal was that there would be more top quality games when the Super 8s and the new hurling format came into being.
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Post by Mickmack on May 9, 2018 8:51:02 GMT
Thanks for the clarification......
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Post by kerrygold on May 9, 2018 8:56:04 GMT
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Post by yourholiness on May 9, 2018 9:00:50 GMT
If the super 8 did not exist when the GAA did the deal with sky, did the GAA renogiate a new deal with them to allow them such exclusive access to the super 8? No. With the TV deal, there are 45 live TV games. RTE have 31 exclusive, Sky have 14 exclusive (and another 6 shared with RTE). Like any negotiations, there would have been to-ing and fro-ing between both RTE and SKY as to which exclusive games they would have wanted. As it transpires, Sky have 5 of the Super 8s games while RTE have 7. Not sure what the split in the hurling round robin is. What the GAA didnt take into account when making the 2017-2022 TV deal was that there would be more top quality games when the Super 8s and the new hurling format came into being. So is it true to say that with the numbers of matches being televised remaining unaltered and with a greater number of games that provincial matches that would’ve ordinarily have been televised will not be this year ?
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Post by Mickmack on May 9, 2018 9:07:24 GMT
Live GAA TV coverage shifts to elite end of the championship Smaller provincial matches will be the losers as Sky and RTÉ announce line-up
Sky’s line-up of live TV matches this summer confirms the clear shift in coverage to the more elite end of the championship and away from the smaller provincial matches.
Despite the revamped formats introduced this year – with eight extra football games in the Super-8 stage, plus the two round-robin provincial hurling championships – the number of live TV matches was left unchanged at 45.
RTÉ has exclusive rights to 25 games, Sky another 14, with six more “shared”: the All-Ireland semi-finals and finals; this deal is in place until 2021 and isn’t expected to change until after that.
The shift this year sees RTÉ opt for just three provincial football games outside the four finals, and, for the first time since 2006, Dublin’s opening game against Wicklow or Offaly is not covered; the broadcaster has also gone for six of the Super-8 football matches (or two of the hurling quarter-finals), which means high-profile games such as the Ulster quarter-final between Monaghan and Tyrone won’t be getting a live billing. In hurling, RTÉ will show 10 provincial matches, including eight of the round-robin matches and the two finals.
Fifth season Sky’s fifth season of championship coverage on its pay-per-view platform focuses even more exclusively on the latter stages of the championship: it will show five of the Super-8 football games, three of the provincial hurling games, while bypassing all of the provincial football matches completely, and instead beginning its football coverage with the second-round qualifiers on Saturday June 23rd.
This shift away from the provincial football championships is especially evident in Ulster, although BBC Northern Ireland does have the rights for deferred coverage, and also two games (Fermanagh against Armagh and Armagh against Down) on the BBC’s iPlayer.
Despite the added games, new GAA director-general Tom Ryan last month confirmed the current TV deal was staying. “We’re going to stick with the existing structure of things. We’re happy with how the arrangement has worked up to now and we’re not looking at changing the nuts and bolts of the arrangement until that comes up for renewal.”
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Post by buck02 on May 9, 2018 9:14:26 GMT
No. With the TV deal, there are 45 live TV games. RTE have 31 exclusive, Sky have 14 exclusive (and another 6 shared with RTE). Like any negotiations, there would have been to-ing and fro-ing between both RTE and SKY as to which exclusive games they would have wanted. As it transpires, Sky have 5 of the Super 8s games while RTE have 7. Not sure what the split in the hurling round robin is. What the GAA didnt take into account when making the 2017-2022 TV deal was that there would be more top quality games when the Super 8s and the new hurling format came into being. So is it true to say that with the numbers of matches being televised remaining unaltered and with a greater number of games that provincial matches that would’ve ordinarily have been televised will not be this year ? Yes. There will be fewer provincial and qualifier games televised. In GAA speak it was like those in charge of the rights negotiations missing a 14 yard free in front of the goals.
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Post by kerrygold on May 9, 2018 9:42:45 GMT
So is it true to say that with the numbers of matches being televised remaining unaltered and with a greater number of games that provincial matches that would’ve ordinarily have been televised will not be this year ? Yes. There will be fewer provincial and qualifier games televised. In GAA speak it was like those in charge of the rights negotiations missing a 14 yard free in front of the goals. They actually kicked the ball into their own net with the SKY deal never mind missing a 14 yard free.
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Post by kerrygold on May 10, 2018 7:40:40 GMT
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Post by keane on May 10, 2018 7:51:37 GMT
Red card for high tackles has potential to be a disaster.
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Post by kerryexile on May 10, 2018 7:59:21 GMT
I think, in general, the more referees clamp down on rough play the more it suits Kerry.
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Post by buck02 on May 10, 2018 8:09:11 GMT
Red card for high tackles has potential to be a disaster. Donaghy better watch out.
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Post by Mickmack on May 10, 2018 10:13:14 GMT
So the sudden death in football is not 45 yard shots but shots from the edge of the D...33 metres. When did they make it the shorter distance..... Did we not see a game decided by 45s in recent months or am i dreaming
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Post by buck02 on May 10, 2018 11:47:46 GMT
So the sudden death in football is not 45 yard shots but shots from the edge of the D...33 metres. When did they make it the shorter distance..... Did we not see a game decided by 45s in recent months or am i dreaming I think the point was made that after potentially around 110 minutes of football, its difficult to have the legs to kick a 45 over the bar. Like you said before Mick a penalty shootout would be much better but we cant be seen to be following those evil soccer people can we?
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Post by Mickmack on May 10, 2018 11:57:47 GMT
I never thought i woukd live the see the day when the GAA are trying to curb replays!
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Post by kerrygold on May 10, 2018 13:09:43 GMT
33 meters won't be very taxing....................
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Post by Mickmack on May 10, 2018 13:35:15 GMT
It could go on all evening. The same five players taking them all.
Who would kerrys five players be....assuming all fit and well.... Paul Geaney, Sean o Shea, David Clifford, JOD and....
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Post by onlykerry on May 10, 2018 13:53:44 GMT
Are the 33 mt free kicks off the ground or from the hand? Can a player pick any point on the circular D?
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Post by kerrygold on May 10, 2018 14:17:41 GMT
Concentration will be the big factor, the 33 meter kick is run of the mill compared to a 45 which is much more taxing in every way.
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