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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 13:21:50 GMT
That Cian O Neill is a bit of a spoofer - you would only have to ready Tomas article and read between the lines - that is what he is alluding to - sometimes coaches should just stick to what they know - coaching - they don't always make good managers as Cian O neill is finding out the hard way I would argue that Kerry have gone backwards since he left in terms of coaching. They have not gone backwards - they are in the midst of a transition over the last 2-3 years and are I believe coming towards the end of the transition.
So I would disagree it's the coaching more so the players starting to come through the system and all the while competing with a Dublin team at the peak of their powers.
Look at the players who have left the fold or retired in the last 2-3 years - Gooch, Mahony, Sheehan, Marc to name a few. So no I don't agree with the coaching aspect.
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Post by keane on May 28, 2018 13:39:58 GMT
I think we got blown off the park physically by Mayo last year in a way that wouldn't have happened when O'Neill was around.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 28, 2018 14:18:50 GMT
I would argue that Kerry have gone backwards since he left in terms of coaching. They have not gone backwards - they are in the midst of a transition over the last 2-3 years and are I believe coming towards the end of the transition.
So I would disagree it's the coaching more so the players starting to come through the system and all the while competing with a Dublin team at the peak of their powers.
Look at the players who have left the fold or retired in the last 2-3 years - Gooch, Mahony, Sheehan, Marc to name a few. So no I don't agree with the coaching aspect.
O'Neill came on board with Fitzmaurice in 2013. He inherited a squad of players that already had the base of good S&C from previous years when Jack has Pat Flanagan involved but, also when Jack had Alan O'Sullivan with Pat Flanagan acting as an advisor. Pat always had Kerry primed for the big days. We were hopping off the ground in the 04 and 06 finals especially and 05. Look t 09 and 07 against the Dubs. Cork in 15 were flyiing the first days in Killarney. He had them prepped like greyhounds and we were luck to come away with a draw. I don't think we ever his such a similar physical peak under O'Neill. We were stuck to the ground in 15 against Dublin. Then again he always got rave reviews from the Tipp hurlers and Mayo footballers.
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Post by Jigz84 on May 28, 2018 15:26:31 GMT
A cartilage tear for Colm O'Neill it appears rather than cruciate damage. More than likely not available for the Munster Final. His finish for the goal Saturday night was superb.
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Post by dc84 on May 28, 2018 15:32:06 GMT
I think we got blown off the park physically by Mayo last year in a way that wouldn't have happened when O'Neill was around. I think its a combination of factors but personnel would have to be a consideration especially o mahonys physicality in particular
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Post by kerrygold on May 28, 2018 15:47:23 GMT
The leinster semi final between Longford and Dublin in Pearse Park would be a special occasion. A hard place to go to...........
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Post by thebluepanther on May 28, 2018 16:06:50 GMT
Where and how are Meath & Kildare blaming Dublin for their demise? That dastardly Ewan McKenna writes on behalf of everyone in Kildare and Meath. You should check out Tommy Keegan on the Kildare forum . Uncanny similarity 😉
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Post by An Bradán on May 28, 2018 16:24:26 GMT
Well Kildare in the last 5 years have won 3 minor, an U21 and Junior title. In 2013 they won all 3. They must have some sort of players who a good. Lads from 2013 should be between 23 and 26 at this stage. Where are these fellas? For starters the players that went to Australia came back inferior players which seems to be the trend. 2-3 years away from developing their own game seems to be very detrimental at that stage of a players development. No argument with the stats Hurlingman but apart from Dublin (at u21) nobody from Leinster is making a breakthrough. Kildare have won plenty minor titles lately but like I said earlier their much vaunted minor team were dispatched with ease by Kerry in '16. I was at the game and they were very poor. Judging by the senior championship the standard in Leinster Dublin aside is very poor. It saddens me to see Meath in their current state. I always admired their brand of direct football. As for Carlow it's hard to judge with the inadequate coverage offered by the Sunday Hurling Game but they looked like a fantastic counter attacking side Defending with numbers and then breaking at serious pace. They're not too bad at shooting either.
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Post by givehimaball on May 28, 2018 20:34:45 GMT
Some stuff from Dont Foul on the Carlow game and their shooting.
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Post by Mickmack on May 28, 2018 21:28:26 GMT
No wides from Carlow.
Amazing scoring feat.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on May 29, 2018 14:26:41 GMT
There are players playing club football in Kildare who are better than those who started on Sunday, simple fact. James Murray of Moorefield got zero game time on Sunday, a much better centre back than Eoin Doyle and indeed, a far better option than Johnny Byrne, at corner back. Kildare were bullied around the place in Tullamore, they were meek on the ball and didn't seem to have a game plan at all. They hadn't an idea how to deal with a massed defence. They hit the post a few times, O Connor took an awful penalty and missed 3 handy frees. The team's confidence was shot after that. After half time, it was clear from the body language of the Kildare players that they just weren't plugged in to championship mode. This, I believe, is a sign of an unhappy group.
I have great time for Cian O Neill as a person and as a coach. However, as a manager, I feel that he is a bit lost. Tactically and game management wise, he is very much lacking and, I would add man management to that list. Kildare learned nothing from their league defeats,it appears. On the other hand, when Kildare got a bit of momentum at the beginning of the 2nd half, Carlow were clever and slowed the game right down. Kildare fell for Carlow's tactic every time and conceded frees way too easily. Some of the fouls were ridiculous, almost like some of the fouls our own backs conceded during the league. Player in possession going away from goal, push in the back, over the bar. Kildare are on a long losing streak, they will need a good start in Derry, otherwise their brittle confidence will crumble completely. There are some fantastic younger players in Kildare, however lads like Eamon Callaghan(36) are a constant on the panel. A change will come should they falter, hopefully a team like Glenn Ryan, Johnny Doyle and Dermot Earley to put a bit of pep back in the panel.
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Post by kerrygold on May 29, 2018 14:42:17 GMT
There are players playing club football in Kildare who are better than those who started on Sunday, simple fact. James Murray of Moorefield got zero game time on Sunday, a much better centre back than Eoin Doyle and indeed, a far better option than Johnny Byrne, at corner back. Kildare were bullied around the place in Tullamore, they were meek on the ball and didn't seem to have a game plan at all. They hadn't an idea how to deal with a massed defence. They hit the post a few times, O Connor took an awful penalty and missed 3 handy frees. The team's confidence was shot after that. After half time, it was clear from the body language of the Kildare players that they just weren't plugged in to championship mode. This, I believe, is a sign of an unhappy group. I have great time for Cian O Neill as a person and as a coach. However, as a manager, I feel that he is a bit lost. Tactically and game management wise, he is very much lacking and, I would add man management to that list. Kildare learned nothing from their league defeats,it appears. On the other hand, when Kildare got a bit of momentum at the beginning of the 2nd half, Carlow were clever and slowed the game right down. Kildare fell for Carlow's tactic every time and conceded frees way too easily. Some of the fouls were ridiculous, almost like some of the fouls our own backs conceded during the league. Player in possession going away from goal, push in the back, over the bar. Kildare are on a long losing streak, they will need a good start in Derry, otherwise their brittle confidence will crumble completely. There are some fantastic younger players in Kildare, however lads like Eamon Callaghan(36) are a constant on the panel. A change will come should they falter, hopefully a team like Glenn Ryan, Johnny Doyle and Dermot Earley to put a bit of pep back in the panel. My money is on JOC. It is a great job for the right person, more so if Croke Park start spending money in Kildare and Meath similar to the Dublin blueprint..................
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Post by kerrygold on May 29, 2018 14:51:34 GMT
Venues and times for the qualifier games on Saturday 9th June
Meath v Tyrone, Pairc Tailteann, Navan, TBC
Wexford v Waterford, Innovate Wexford Park, 2pm
Derry v Kildare, Owenbeg, 3pm
Wicklow v Cavan, Joule Park, Aughrim, 6pm
Offaly v Antrim, Bord Na Mona O'Connor Park, 6pm
Limerick v Mayo, Gaelic Grounds, 6pm
Westmeath v Armagh, TEG Cusack Park, 7pm
Sunday 10 June
London v Louth, McGovern Park, Ruislip, 2pm
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Post by southward on May 29, 2018 20:41:50 GMT
Venues and times for the qualifier games on Saturday 9th June Meath v Tyrone, Pairc Tailteann, Navan, TBC Wexford v Waterford, Innovate Wexford Park, 2pm Derry v Kildare, Owenbeg, 3pm Wicklow v Cavan, Joule Park, Aughrim, 6pm Offaly v Antrim, Bord Na Mona O'Connor Park, 6pm Limerick v Mayo, Gaelic Grounds, 6pm Westmeath v Armagh, TEG Cusack Park, 7pm Sunday 10 June London v Louth, McGovern Park, Ruislip, 2pm Mayo being forced to go to the Gaelic Grounds - that's so unfair! They'd want to be heading off about now.
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Post by buck02 on May 30, 2018 20:44:26 GMT
The Meath v Tyrone game is on Sky Sports Saturday July 9th throw in 4:30.
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Post by ballhopper34 on May 31, 2018 0:21:12 GMT
The Meath v Tyrone game is on Sky Sports Saturday July 9th throw in 4:30. Make that Saturday June 9th with throw in at 5pm and you'd be correct. The TV show starts at 4:30pm.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 31, 2018 11:12:32 GMT
Tyrone will eat them without utensils.
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Post by Mickmack on May 31, 2018 13:07:26 GMT
The leinster semi final between Longford and Dublin in Pearse Park would be a special occasion. A hard place to go to........... Having Dublin in the Leinster championship now is as pointless as playing off a connacht hurling championship with Galway in it. As this stage Dublin should go straight into the super 8. This would leave great drama in leinster between the other ten football counties. In the semi finals this year you would have two semifinals as follows... Wicklow v Longford Carlow v Laois. There would be 50,000 at each of those games as well as the final as neutrals would be drawn into the spectacle and the novelty of the teams
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Post by kerrygold on May 31, 2018 15:11:48 GMT
The leinster semi final between Longford and Dublin in Pearse Park would be a special occasion. A hard place to go to........... Having Dublin in the Leinster championship now is as pointless as playing off a connacht hurling championship with Galway in it. As this stage Dublin should go straight into the super 8. This would leave great drama in leinster between the other ten football counties. In the semi finals this year you would have two semifinals as follows... Wicklow v Longford Carlow v Laois. There would be 50,000 at each of those games as well as the final as neutrals would be drawn into the spectacle and the novelty of the teams Dublin have won 13 of the last 15 Leinster championships and should be good for the next 5 plus also at least. Not sure if the Laois v Westmeath Leinster final broke the 50,000 barrier in 2004? The replay was sub 40,000
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Post by glengael on Jun 4, 2018 10:21:17 GMT
Well done Fermanagh. 2 upsets in Ulster is a lot for any year so it will be interesting to see who takes advantage and who Monaghan might meet in the back door...
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 4, 2018 15:21:29 GMT
Galway impressed and showed their attacking talents against a poor Sligo side. I think Galway (obviously not based on Sligo performance) and ourselves are the now the only team who can beat Dublin. Mayo are regressing and I think Tyrone are still a good bit short. We are both on course for the same group in the Super 8s. I think it would be a magnificent game between us. 2 sides with serious athleticism but crucially in contrast to a lot of teams a full team of quality footballers.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 5, 2018 12:45:03 GMT
The Meath v Tyrone game is on Sky Sports Saturday July 9th throw in 4:30. Looks like Sky dumped the Galway v Dublin game in favour of this.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 5, 2018 19:17:04 GMT
DontFoul stats on the Monaghan v Fermanagh game The key thing for me here is the low conversion rates on both sides, especially from play. Monaghan were 14% in the first half from play while Fermanagh matched them with 14% from play in the 2nd half. That's just awful stuff (in simpler terms 14% is missing 6 out of every 7 shots taken) Overall Fermanagh were 31% from play while Monaghan were 29%. While deadballs improved matters somewhat Monaghan's overall conversion rate was still only 40% with Fermanagh's 45% The big question is how much of these low conversion rates were due to the defences and how much were down to offences. Fermanagh's defence was possibly the meanest in the league conceding a total of 7-57 (78 points or an average of 11.14) in their 7 league games. Laois and Antrim conceded lower totals but they only played 6 regular league games, and when you compare their average Fermanagh very narrowly come out ahead. In their previous championship game this year against Armagh they only conceded 0-7. Interestingly they conceded 1-16 to Armagh in the Division 3 playoff. As such Monaghan can hardly have been surprised by Fermanagh's approach. Fermanagh's shooting from the game. (yellow = free, black = from play ; x = miss , o = score) Whoever they meet in the Ulster final will surely be showing this image to their defenders. Decent article from Aidan O'Rourke on the game at the link below. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0604/968100-aidan-orourke-fermanagh/
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 6, 2018 8:19:50 GMT
There's been a lot of talk about extending Hawkeye to goalline decisions, but when Paul Geaney scored his goal v Dublin in 2016 and the ref and linesman were consulting on whether it crossed the line or not, it said Tá on the big screen which seemed to imply Hawkeye was used to make the decision. Does anyone else remember that?
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Post by peanuts on Jun 6, 2018 8:27:30 GMT
There's been a lot of talk about extending Hawkeye to goalline decisions, but when Paul Geaney scored his goal v Dublin in 2016 and the ref and linesman were consulting on whether it crossed the line or not, it said Tá on the big screen which seemed to imply Hawkeye was used to make the decision. Does anyone else remember that? First time I've heard that. I was at the game but don't remember seeing it.
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Post by glengael on Jun 8, 2018 12:22:20 GMT
The championship summer will end for quite a few contenders this weekend. Who do we expect to be still standing by Sunday evening?
Meath v Tyrone, Pairc Tailteann, Navan, TBC
Wexford v Waterford, Innovate Wexford Park, 2pm
Derry v Kildare, Owenbeg, 3pm
Wicklow v Cavan, Joule Park, Aughrim, 6pm
Offaly v Antrim, Bord Na Mona O'Connor Park, 6pm
Limerick v Mayo, Gaelic Grounds, 6pm
Westmeath v Armagh, TEG Cusack Park, 7pm
Sunday 10 June
London v Louth, McGovern Park, Ruislip, 2pm
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Post by dc84 on Jun 8, 2018 13:36:30 GMT
The championship summer will end for quite a few contenders this weekend. Who do we expect to be still standing by Sunday evening? Meath v Tyrone, Pairc Tailteann, Navan, TBC Wexford v Waterford, Innovate Wexford Park, 2pm Derry v Kildare, Owenbeg, 3pm Wicklow v Cavan, Joule Park, Aughrim, 6pm Offaly v Antrim, Bord Na Mona O'Connor Park, 6pm Limerick v Mayo, Gaelic Grounds, 6pm Westmeath v Armagh, TEG Cusack Park, 7pm Sunday 10 June London v Louth, McGovern Park, Ruislip, 2pm Tyrone Wexford Derry Cavan Antrim Mayo Armagh Louth
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 8, 2018 13:50:35 GMT
Tyrone Wexford Kildare Cavan Offaly Mayo Armagh London
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Post by dc84 on Jun 8, 2018 14:33:08 GMT
Draw monday will be interesting see who monaghan get and if donegal lose also. Nothing else scary for the big guns in Rd1
Clare Tipp Longford Laois/carlow Leitrim Sligo Monaghan Down/donegal
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Jun 9, 2018 3:07:12 GMT
I have had a bit of grá for Donegal albeit they were relegated, during the League
A few young guns along with Murphy will make them somewhat dangerous under Bonner.
They are in with a decent shout now to become Ulster Champs.
Prob needs another thread BUT!! if Cork scrape passed us in PUC is there a chance if we qualify for the S8s that we could have the Dubs in Cill Airne?
Come on all you Mathematicians :-)
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