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Post by dc84 on May 31, 2018 9:58:12 GMT
I agree - and not a "system" to be seen. Last year's AI minor final proved it. Dozens of comments on this forum about a weak defence. What does Peter do - win the throw in - create space in front of goal - feed Clifford - a goal up in 10 seconds. Exploit the defence now!! Kerry defended in numbers under Peter Keane and Tommy Griffin. Always held a man back. Not a sweeper as such but a helping defender. You can't compare minor and senior. Lads can play with a certain freedom at minor that just isnt there at senior level. Watch the last Kerry minor / U17 match the drop down to 17 has even accentuated this difference. It is a system though just not a negative one he usually withdrew one of the corner forwards playing 4 half forwards leaving space to run into. More a pattern of play than a system i suppose. Could work perfectly for the seniors also with mccarthy at 15 leaving clifford and geaney close to goals with o shea, mcarthy, and one other in the hf line
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Post by Mickmack on May 31, 2018 10:14:45 GMT
Some of the best football played by those wearing the green 'n gold recently has been that under Peter Keane's tenure - quick and direct, good forward play and very disciplined defending - think he is a future senior bainisteoir. I agree - and not a "system" to be seen. Last year's AI minor final proved it. Dozens of comments on this forum about a weak defence. What does Peter do - win the throw in - create space in front of goal - feed Clifford - a goal up in 10 seconds. Exploit the defence now!! If only every defense were as naive as the Derry minors at the start of that game. Clifford left man on man with a lad smaller than him. Like Mayo did with Michael Murphy at the start of the 2012 final.
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Post by kerryexile on May 31, 2018 11:28:27 GMT
Playing intelligently is not a system.
If you have a corner forward like David Clifford, of course you will get the traffic out of the way and make space for him to weave his magic.
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Post by kerrygold on May 31, 2018 15:17:43 GMT
Lots of positive comment in the media from Kerry over the past few days in the media. It will be interesting to see how they are over the next three weeks.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on May 31, 2018 15:49:00 GMT
The rumours around the camp and the voices from those in the knowing is that there will be plenty of youth on show in Kerry's championship games and that a new direction is to be taken. I hope that is true and I hope we stop playing "the system" and start playing football. If our underage success has taught us anything is that the talent is there and that Kerry can still beat anyone. I really hope they go out this year and show Ireland some Kerry football. Clare will be a good start. Some of the best football played by those wearing the green 'n gold recently has been that under Peter Keane's tenure - quick and direct, good forward play and very disciplined defending - think he is a future senior bainisteoir. I totally agree. Where the seniors have resorted at times to 13 behind the ball and a 100.000 lateral handpasses Keane has instilled a type of football into the youth with fast kick passing up the field and very skilful and lovely football. The way I would have always described the Kerry style.
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Post by onlykerry on May 31, 2018 16:26:34 GMT
The seniors have been forced to adapt their game to counteract the way the game is currently played at senior level - when we tried playing traditional football against the mass defence system favoured by so many we did not succeed - a separate analysis of this may be valid.
Minors probably benefit from the fact its a new squad pretty much each year and the senior style takes a number of seasons to perfect - therefore the minor and underage grades in general tend to be played in a more traditional manner by necessity.
The modern senior footballer is first and foremost an athlete with some football skills - those with athletic ability and natural footballing skills (the holy grail combination) tend to be the superstars of the modern game. In times past football skills was the primary attribute but now I feel its secondary - by this I mean a very skilful player will not get away with playing at the top level without decent athletic ability. Jimmy Keaveney for example would not make a modern day intercounty football team.
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Post by southward on May 31, 2018 20:24:00 GMT
The seniors have been forced to adapt their game to counteract the way the game is currently played at senior level - when we tried playing traditional football against the mass defence system favoured by so many we did not succeed - a separate analysis of this may be valid. Minors probably benefit from the fact its a new squad pretty much each year and the senior style takes a number of seasons to perfect - therefore the minor and underage grades in general tend to be played in a more traditional manner by necessity. The modern senior footballer is first and foremost an athlete with some football skills - those with athletic ability and natural footballing skills (the holy grail combination) tend to be the superstars of the modern game. In times past football skills was the primary attribute but now I feel its secondary - by this I mean a very skilful player will not get away with playing at the top level without decent athletic ability. Jimmy Keaveney for example would not make a modern day intercounty football team.At the other end of the physical spectrum, Gooch, at 10 stone, might never have got a start either.
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Post by kerryboy83 on May 31, 2018 22:04:28 GMT
A bit of a lottery but what do we think will be the starting 15!!! I’m thinking Murphy O beaglioich Foley Shanahan Murphy P Crowley Morley Moran Barry Burns O Se O Brien Clifford Geaney JOD
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Post by Premier on May 31, 2018 22:34:11 GMT
A bit of a lottery but what do we think will be the starting 15!!! I’m thinking Murphy O beaglioich Foley Shanahan Murphy P Crowley Morley Moran Barry Burns O Se O Brien Clifford Geaney JOD I think he’ll start Fionn. The captain of the last few years (Buckley, Sheehan, Fionn again) haven’t always been first choice but they are always picked to start the 1st game and usually the whole Munster championship
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Post by peanuts on May 31, 2018 22:48:59 GMT
A bit of a lottery but what do we think will be the starting 15!!! I’m thinking Murphy O beaglioich Foley Shanahan Murphy P Crowley Morley Moran Barry Burns O Se O Brien Clifford Geaney JOD I think he’ll start Fionn. The captain of the last few years (Buckley, Sheehan, Fionn again) haven’t always been first choice but they are always picked to start the 1st game and usually the whole Munster championship I think he'll also start Griffin in the backs and JoD may be kept in reserve in which case McCarthy might start. I'll go with Murphy Foley Griffin Shanahan Murphy P Crowley Morley Moran Barry Burns O Se O Brien Clifford Geaney McCarthy
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Post by a01bf4eb on Jun 1, 2018 8:57:31 GMT
Hi all, long time reader, first time poster. Just wondering does anyone have an update on Gavin Crowley's fitness. I read on here that he had broken his wrist during the early rounds of the league but would have expected him to be nearing a return. Thought he looked excellent in the league. Exciting team in store for the weekend. My one hope for Kerry this season would be that they can keep JOD fit and playing matches. With him, Geaney and Clifford potentially in the one line Kerry will cause any defence serious trouble.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 1, 2018 9:34:26 GMT
I'll go for Murphy Fionn Foley Shanahan Murphy Crowley Morley
Moran Barry
Burns O'Shea McCarthy Clifford Geaney JOD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 10:25:47 GMT
I'll go for Murphy Fionn Foley Shanahan Murphy Crowley Morley Moran Barry Burns O'Shea McCarthy Clifford Geaney JOD I would agree with that other than perhaps I can see O'Brien getting a place in the forwards at the expense of Burns maybe.
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Post by defullback10 on Jun 1, 2018 12:26:11 GMT
I'll go for Murphy Begley Foley Shanahan Murphy Morley White
Moran Barry
Burns O'Shea O'Brien Clifford Geaney JOD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 13:20:11 GMT
I don’t get how Darren Sullivan is still on that panel - he hasn’t started for how many years now and still is kept hold of - one flaw of management I see is not leaving players out and bringing fresh blood in - anyone that has left in the last 3 or 4 years has done so voluntarily - I don’t believe he or Donnacha Walsh have anything additional they can bring to the table at this stage
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 1, 2018 13:32:49 GMT
I'll go for Murphy Fionn Foley Shanahan Murphy Crowley Morley Moran Barry Burns O'Shea McCarthy Clifford Geaney JOD Is Fionn nasty enough for this level of combat when you think of what others have at the back. Morley can't kick simple points when they are there for the taking in crucial matches but there is no doubting him in all other respects. Might need KD as an enforcer/protector. It will be interesting to see evidence of basketball defensive tactical approach....
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Post by buck02 on Jun 1, 2018 14:23:38 GMT
I'll go for Murphy Fionn Foley Shanahan Murphy Crowley Morley Moran Barry Burns O'Shea McCarthy Clifford Geaney JOD Is Fionn nasty enough for this level of combat when you think of what others have at the back. Morley can't kick simple points when they are there for the taking in crucial matches but there is no doubting him in all other respects. Might need KD as an enforcer/protector. It will be interesting to see evidence of basketball defensive tactical approach.... My worry about our backs but our full back options in particular is that they are not physically strong enough and not nasty/brave/crazy enough. The backs are not the greatest at tackling and vulnerable to runners and to high balls. We need a Golden State Warriors defensive tactical approach, nevermind the UL Huskies!
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 1, 2018 15:11:56 GMT
Is Fionn nasty enough for this level of combat when you think of what others have at the back. Morley can't kick simple points when they are there for the taking in crucial matches but there is no doubting him in all other respects. Might need KD as an enforcer/protector. It will be interesting to see evidence of basketball defensive tactical approach.... My worry about our backs but our full back options in particular is that they are not physically strong enough and not nasty/brave/crazy enough. The backs are not the greatest at tackling and vulnerable to runners and to high balls. We need a Golden State Warriors defensive tactical approach, nevermind the UL Huskies! I would agree on how poorly our backs tackle - this is not something new and an indictment of management on the coaching side - look at Mayo with much of their tackling nous being credited to our own Donie Buckley - likewise our minors seem very well versed in the art of dispossessing an opponent without fouling him. At senior level we seem to be lazy in the tackle and have been for some time coughing up big scores against all levels of opposition.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 1, 2018 15:55:05 GMT
My worry about our backs but our full back options in particular is that they are not physically strong enough and not nasty/brave/crazy enough. The backs are not the greatest at tackling and vulnerable to runners and to high balls. We need a Golden State Warriors defensive tactical approach, nevermind the UL Huskies! I would agree on how poorly our backs tackle - this is not something new and an indictment of management on the coaching side - look at Mayo with much of their tackling nous being credited to our own Donie Buckley - likewise our minors seem very well versed in the art of dispossessing an opponent without fouling him. At senior level we seem to be lazy in the tackle and have been for some time coughing up big scores against all levels of opposition. In fairness the two templenoe boys add a fair bit of strenght and aggression to the backs peter crowley is as aggressive as they come (sometimes overly) the back 6 id like to see sunday is. Morley foley shanahan Murphy p.crowley g.crowley (if fit)
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 1, 2018 19:51:34 GMT
Very interesting team.
1 Shane Murphy (Captain) Dr. Crokes
2 Jason Foley Ballydonoghue
3 Peter Crowley Laune Rangers
4 Ronan Shanahan Austin Stacks
5 Paul Murphy Rathmore
6 Tadhg Morley Templenoe
7 Gavin White Dr Crokes
8 David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys
9 Jack Barry Na Gaeil
10 Micheál Burns Dr. Crokes
11 Seán O’Shea Kenmare
12 Stephen O’Brien Kenmare
13 David Clifford Fossa
14 Paul Geaney Dingle
15 James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion
Fir Ionaid:
16 Brian Kelly Killarney Legion
17 Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks
18 Brian Ó Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht
19 Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys
20 Darran O’Sullivan Glenbeigh/Glencar
21 Anthony Maher Duagh
22 Mark Griffin St Michaels/ Foilmore
23 Mikey Geaney Dingle
24 Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin
25 Fionn Fitzgerald Dr Crokes
26 Gavin Crowley Templenoe
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Post by clarinman on Jun 1, 2018 19:55:41 GMT
Very interesting team. 1 Shane Murphy (Captain) Dr. Crokes 2 Jason Foley Ballydonoghue 3 Peter Crowley Laune Rangers 4 Ronan Shanahan Austin Stacks 5 Paul Murphy Rathmore 6 Tadhg Morley Templenoe 7 Gavin White Dr Crokes 8 David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys 9 Jack Barry Na Gaeil 10 Micheál Burns Dr. Crokes 11 Seán O’Shea Kenmare 12 Stephen O’Brien Kenmare 13 David Clifford Fossa 14 Paul Geaney Dingle 15 James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion Fir Ionaid: 16 Brian Kelly Killarney Legion 17 Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks 18 Brian Ó Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht 19 Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys 20 Darran O’Sullivan Glenbeigh/Glencar 21 Anthony Maher Duagh 22 Mark Griffin St Michaels/ Foilmore 23 Mikey Geaney Dingle 24 Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin 25 Fionn Fitzgerald Dr Crokes 26 Gavin Crowley Templenoe How come Donaghy is not suspended after red card Vs mayo last year?
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Post by peanuts on Jun 1, 2018 20:00:06 GMT
I make that 7 championship debutants
Murphy, Foley, Shanahan, White, Burns, O’Se, Clifford,
Exciting indeed.
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Post by jumanji on Jun 1, 2018 20:00:32 GMT
Where is barry o Sullivan....serious lack of cover for midfield, especially with only maher on the bench. Surely theres better options than maher. Christ!!!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 1, 2018 20:03:33 GMT
Interesting to compare the selection for the 2017 replay v Mayo
Starting Lineup:
Brian Kelly;
Shane Enright, Mark Griffin, Killian Young;
Peter Crowley, Tadhg Morley, Paul Murphy;
David Moran, Anthony Maher;
Stephen O’Brien, Johnny Buckley (C), Donnchadh Walsh ;
Paul Geaney, Kieran Donaghy, James O’Donoghue.
Substitutes:
Shane Ryan, Jack Barry, Fionn Fitzgerald, Barry John Keane, Jonathan Lyne, Jack Savage, Darran O’Sullivan, Tom O’Sullivan, Sean O’Shea, Bryan Sheehan, Gavin Crowley.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 20:11:54 GMT
Gavin White the only real surprise given he had no league football.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Jun 1, 2018 20:13:56 GMT
Mickmac, unforunately james o donoghue was dropped for the replay thus allowing keith higgins the regrettable licence to roam and hurt us on several levels. Nevertheless thats an exciting team and i look forward to how the game pans out on sunday. Ciarraí abú
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Post by Premier on Jun 1, 2018 20:19:03 GMT
White being a natural left legger could give kerry a better width and balance to the team at 7.. A right legged player can often condense play by coming on the inside all of the time
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Post by taibhse on Jun 1, 2018 20:20:45 GMT
The Clare starting fifteen:-
1. Eamon Tubridy. 2. Gordan Kelly. 3. Cillian Brennan. 4. Eoghan Collins. 5. Pearce Lillis. 6. Aaron Fitzgerald. 7. Cian O’Dea. 8. Gary Brennan. 9. Cathal O’Connor. 10. Kieran Malone 11. Eoin Cleary. 12. Jamie Malone 13. Eibhín Courtney. 14. Keelan Sexton. 15. David Tubridy.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 1, 2018 20:27:37 GMT
An interesting selection. I am really looking forward to travelling down for this game. Hopefully a long summer starts here.
Looking forward to seeing Gavin White. I am not too familiar with him to be honest. Crowley at FB too.
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Post by greenmen55 on Jun 1, 2018 20:32:13 GMT
Interesting team alright great to see EF sticking with the youth. Gavin white breaking into the team looks to be a great addition even though if it came at a surprise. I presume Crowley won't play at full back? Morely will go back there I think. Personally I'd love to see Mark griffin line out at centre back he is a powerful runner and I think given the freedom to break forward along with the decisive runs by Jack Barry may add a different dimension to our game. Kevin Mccarthy is seriously unlucky to miss out he is playing great football at the moment and you could say dragged his club to an intermediate championship as much as I rate JOD I think Mccarthy would add balance to our forward line and link up the play nicely and also give more space inside for Geaney and clifford
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