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Post by fealeside on May 28, 2018 18:25:57 GMT
I would imagine that about 13 of the positions are relatively secured, going on League form and previous history. This would be the team that I would like to see take the field on Sunday: Shane Murphy. Brian O’Beaglaoich. Jason Foley. Ronan Shanahan. Paul Murphy. Peter Crowley. Tadgh Morley or Gavin White? David Moran. Jack Barry. Micheál Burns. Sean O’Shea. Stephen O’Brien or Kevin McCarthy. David Clifford. Paul Geaney. James O’Donoghue. I rate Gavin White highly, but he may not be fit enough yet. He will develop into a first-rate defender as the year goes on.
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Post by fealeside on May 28, 2018 18:27:24 GMT
I would imagine that about 13 of the positions are relatively secured, going on League form and previous history. This would be the team that I would like to see take the field on Sunday: Shane Murphy. Brian O’Beaglaoich. Jason Foley. Ronan Shanahan. Paul Murphy. Peter Crowley. Tadgh Morley or Gavin White? David Moran. Jack Barry. Micheál Burns. Sean O’Shea. Stephen O’Brien or Kevin McCarthy. David Clifford. Paul Geaney. James O’Donoghue. I rate Gavin White highly, but he may not be fit enough yet. He will develop into a first-rate defender as the year goes on. I think the same. He could be very good. Would love to see him get a go at it. Realistically speaking if he does it would have to be this game as I couldn't see him get in after this
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Post by peanuts on May 28, 2018 20:14:44 GMT
By my reckoning (could be wrong)if you include Gavin White & Kevin McCarthy that would mean 9 making their 1st championship start and 8 making their championship debut. I can't see that happening. Morley & possibly Young in the backs, SoB in the forwards. That still leaves 5/6 debutants but who else with experience is there? Enright is injured, Kelly hardly likely to start in goals, Darren & Star might be off the bench? Kevin McCarthy started against both Clare and cork in the Munster championship last year. He was injured for the all Ireland quarter and semi finals. Thanks clarinman. I forgot McCarthy played championship last year. I thought he got injured after the league. I also forgot about Griffin. I think we’ll need his physicality as well as a lot of the new lads are light enough yet.
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Post by fealeside on May 28, 2018 22:25:23 GMT
I would like to see this team take to the field the next day.
Murphy
O'Beaglaioch Morley Shanahan
Murphy Crowley White
Barry Moran
Burns O'Shea O'Brien
Clifford Geaney O'Donoghue
I don't think Foley is up to it. Maybe he will get the nod the next day but there's just something about him that I find awkward. He's actually good on the ball in terms of his passing and distribution but is too easily turned in my book. Not tight enough at all.
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Post by piggott on May 29, 2018 8:15:24 GMT
White? No Kevin McCarthy?
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Post by buck02 on May 29, 2018 9:51:40 GMT
I'd have Kevin McCarthy in my forward line ahead of Burns and O'Brien.
Have we ever gone into a championship campaign with so many doubts over so many positions on the field. Certainties in my book are Shane Murphy in goals. The only certainty I see in the backs is Paul Murphy. You could make a case for any of the other 9 or 10 backs not starting.
Moran and Barry are certainties in midfield.
If O Shea and Clifford are fit they have to start. Paul Geaney is a cert, despite a poor league.
So I make it 8 places up for grabs. There should be no complacency this year in training anyrate.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 29, 2018 10:21:11 GMT
I amstill not convinced by O Beaglaoich.
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Post by dc84 on May 29, 2018 10:55:57 GMT
I amstill not convinced by O Beaglaoich. Have to agree thinks he is a bit light.also competition is a great thing especially after last year we need at least 5 new players starting imo.on p.geaney poor league but he seemed to recover form with Dingle class is permanent! Also everyone will put there best defender on him freeing up clifford which can only be a good thing
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 29, 2018 11:03:33 GMT
I amstill not convinced by O Beaglaoich. To be brutally honest I'm still not convinced by most of our backs. As you have said Paul Murphy is the only guaranteed stater. We just don't have a settled side and that's that to be honest. Gone are the days when you could name 12/13 of the starting team. We dont have any settled pattern of play to rely on either. Other teams seem to be able to plug players in and out of a system. If we start Shannahan, Foley, Clifford, O'Shea, Barry,Burns,Morely, Beaglaoich / White thats half the team that have very little if no experience. We have no experience in the backs apart from Murphy and Crowley if he starts. One midfielder. And probably O'Brien in the half forward line. The most experienced line of the field is likely to be the full forward line but, they can only influence the game based on what the other lines do.
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Post by kerrygold on May 29, 2018 11:17:22 GMT
The lack of a settled team might not be such a bad thing. Things were very stale for the Mayo replay last year. Unsettled means competition for places and freshness. Kerry will arrive in a semi final after the super eights settled and sprinkled with established and new players. I'd expected them to thrive in this environment assuming the line have been and are on their own game.
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Post by onlykerry on May 29, 2018 11:34:59 GMT
Seriously folks - how can we expect to have a settled side - the fact we have so many unknowns is testamony to the re-building process that is underway. We bemoaned (and rightly) the lack of new personell last year come championship, this year we are bemoaning the lack of a settled side. The league has given us glimpses of what might be, only champioship will tell us what will be..... This year is about the next Kerry generation/team that we have been crying out for from the recent successful minor squads being introduced with what is left (legs permitting) of the older players. The Super 8 should help us immensely in this regard and our main objective is getting to that stage and anything thereafter is a bonus. 2018 is about seeing who is going to emerge for the Kerry team that will take us through the twenties - anything sooner will be gratefully accepted but is probably unlikely.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 29, 2018 12:05:02 GMT
I understand abut us needing to introduce new payers but, it needed to be started at least a year earlier so that players could be drip fed into the team. Now they are all being thrown in together.
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Post by dc84 on May 29, 2018 12:15:03 GMT
Seriously folks - how can we expect to have a settled side - the fact we have so many unknowns is testamony to the re-building process that is underway. We bemoaned (and rightly) the lack of new personell last year come championship, this year we are bemoaning the lack of a settled side. The league has given us glimpses of what might be, only champioship will tell us what will be..... This year is about the next Kerry generation/team that we have been crying out for from the recent successful minor squads being introduced with what is left (legs permitting) of the older players. The Super 8 should help us immensely in this regard and our main objective is getting to that stage and anything thereafter is a bonus. 2018 is about seeing who is going to emerge for the Kerry team that will take us through the twenties - anything sooner will be gratefully accepted but is probably unlikely. Agree 100% we cant have it both ways! We may have to accept that there will be teething problems with introducing so many new players at once it takes time for lads to learn each others game and get on the same wavelength. One thing is for sure if we go with the same as the last few years then the result will be the same ie semi/final but ultimately defeat or a step into the unknown ie we could win it or just as likely fall short again id rather we take the chance and back the youth There is the making of an excellent team in 2/3 years
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 12:30:12 GMT
I'd go for J Barry at half forward and ask him to roam for kickouts. Also well able to carry and break tackles, we need a few more ball winners as all our options at 5 /7 / 10 / 12 are not the biggest of men. Let Maher hold the centre and allow for G Crowley to get on the ball a bit from CB. The lateral handpassing has to stop, quick ball into Clifford and Geaney and strong running from McCarthy / O'Shea should poke holes in any defense. Also I'd hand the frees to Geaney anywhere inside 35 yards and have O Shea on them anywhere beyond that, Clifford off his hands from the left. Gets them all on the scoreboard and building confidence.
1. S Murphy 2. T O'Sullivan 3. T Morley 4. R Shanahan 5. P Murphy 6. G Crowley 7. P Crowley 8. D Moran 9. A Maher 10. M Burns 11. S O'Shea 12. J Barry 13. D Clifford 14. P Geaney 15. K McCarthy
Subs: 16. B Kelly, 17. B O'Beaglaoigh, 18: J O Donoghue, 19: S O'Brien, 20. D O Sullivan, 21. M Griffin, 22. B J Keane, 23. D Walsh, 24. J Savage, 25. G White, 26. J Foley
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Post by greengold35 on May 29, 2018 13:05:57 GMT
I understand abut us needing to introduce new payers but, it needed to be started at least a year earlier so that players could be drip fed into the team. Now they are all being thrown in together. Agree with that but the recent move to U-20 and the rules applying therein are also not helping us; normally a good run in the U-21 championship would keep guys on the radar of the senior selectors and the move to U-20 is now not helping the inter county development of the likes of Gavin White, Jason Foley, David Clifford and Seán O'Shea - its farcical that the U-20s will have to play a championship without Clifford and O'Shea due to a rule restriction. Fitzmaurice's conservatism in the past few years sees us having little option but to blood a lot of players simultaneously - inexperienced at senior level they may be but most have All Ireland minor medals in their pockets and plenty experience at senior level with their clubs- as regards a settled side, we certainly do not have one but hopefully if we make the Super 8s we may well see a settled side emerging - only time will tell!!
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2018 13:49:27 GMT
I'd have Kevin McCarthy in my forward line ahead of Burns and O'Brien. Have we ever gone into a championship campaign with so many doubts over so many positions on the field. Certainties in my book are Shane Murphy in goals. The only certainty I see in the backs is Paul Murphy. You could make a case for any of the other 9 or 10 backs not starting. Moran and Barry are certainties in midfield. If O Shea and Clifford are fit they have to start. Paul Geaney is a cert, despite a poor league. So I make it 8 places up for grabs. There should be no complacency this year in training anyrate. Why would Moran be a certainty. He was poor in 2017 and what is there to suggest he will be better in 2018. I hope Barry oSullivan is not cast aside based on a loss of form in the middle of a run of league game, sigerson games and pressure of vetenary exams in april
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Post by piggott on May 29, 2018 14:01:22 GMT
So 6 or 7 Championship debuts with only one 30 year old. When was last time we fielded such an inexperienced team?
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Post by buck02 on May 29, 2018 14:02:04 GMT
I'd have Kevin McCarthy in my forward line ahead of Burns and O'Brien. Have we ever gone into a championship campaign with so many doubts over so many positions on the field. Certainties in my book are Shane Murphy in goals. The only certainty I see in the backs is Paul Murphy. You could make a case for any of the other 9 or 10 backs not starting. Moran and Barry are certainties in midfield. If O Shea and Clifford are fit they have to start. Paul Geaney is a cert, despite a poor league. So I make it 8 places up for grabs. There should be no complacency this year in training anyrate. Why would Moran be a certainty. He was poor in 2017 and what is there to suggest he will be better in 2018. I hope Barry oSullivan is not cast aside based on a loss of form in the middle of a run of league game, sigerson games and pressure of vetenary exams in april Moran is around 30 years old and one of the most experienced players in the squad. IMO, in 2017 Moran was excellent in the league final against Dublin. He was good too the first day against Mayo. These are the teams I would be benchmarking him against. Barry Dan had an ok league but I think he would be less effective as the grounds dries up and the pace ramps up. Still an option for 15 minutes in the middle that we didnt have last year.
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Post by dc84 on May 29, 2018 14:15:38 GMT
Why would Moran be a certainty. He was poor in 2017 and what is there to suggest he will be better in 2018. I hope Barry oSullivan is not cast aside based on a loss of form in the middle of a run of league game, sigerson games and pressure of vetenary exams in april Moran is around 30 years old and one of the most experienced players in the squad. IMO, in 2017 Moran was excellent in the league final against Dublin. He was good too the first day against Mayo. These are the teams I would be benchmarking him against. Barry Dan had an ok league but I think he would be less effective as the grounds dries up and the pace ramps up. Still an option for 15 minutes in the middle that we didnt have last year. Moran was pretty good in most games last year people are very harsh on him. Was excellent in league especially the final.losing mf was down to hf line mainly last year imo
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2018 14:20:48 GMT
Dublin were well off the boil in the league final. I would just ignore that game. The only games worth judging in 2017 were the two mayo games.
Barry can deliver quick penetrating balls inside. David takes far too long, is ponderous and takes the ball into the tackle and often loses it.
I cant agree that he was good v mayo at all but i accept others see it differently.
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Post by keane on May 29, 2018 14:21:36 GMT
Moran was godlike in the league final and excellent in the first semi-final. If you rewatch the replay it's obvious that most of the tactical work Mayo did in the week between games was 'how do we stop Moran'. They were effective, he was subdued and we were well beaten. No coincidence.
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Post by buck02 on May 29, 2018 14:24:20 GMT
Moran was godlike in the league final and excellent in the first semi-final. If you rewatch the replay it's obvious that most of the tactical work Mayo did in the week between games was 'how do we stop Moran'. They were effective, he was subdued and we were well beaten. No coincidence. And he was basically on his own in the middle of the field in the replay.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on May 29, 2018 14:35:58 GMT
I think it's harsh to say Moran was poor last year, our half forward line was wiped out in the mayo replay and Jack Barry was bullied around the place. In my opinion Moran was fighting a lone battle admirably for most of that game. I think Mc Carthy is a classy footballer and I am looking forward to seeing him lighting up championship 2018. I would love to see Gavan White starting too as he is all class, in my opinion. Mícheál Burns probably deserves to start, given his performances in the league. I think if we have a footballing half forward line rather than a line of stoppers and workers, our defence will get a bit more breathing space and will be under less pressure. Having players playing too deep is a recipe for panic & consternation, as proved against Mayo last year. We need to be attacking and put defences on the backfoot.
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Post by kerrygold on May 29, 2018 14:53:25 GMT
Dublin were well off the boil in the league final. I would just ignore that game. The only games worth judging in 2017 were the two mayo games. Barry can deliver quick penetrating balls inside. David takes far too long, is ponderous and takes the ball into the tackle and often loses it. I cant agree that he was good v mayo at all but i accept others see it differently. Kerry were very good in the league final I thought to be fair.
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Post by onlykerry on May 29, 2018 15:02:26 GMT
So 6 or 7 Championship debuts with only one 30 year old. When was last time we fielded such an inexperienced team? 1975???
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2018 15:45:24 GMT
Dublin were well off the boil in the league final. I would just ignore that game. The only games worth judging in 2017 were the two mayo games. Barry can deliver quick penetrating balls inside. David takes far too long, is ponderous and takes the ball into the tackle and often loses it. I cant agree that he was good v mayo at all but i accept others see it differently. Kerry were very good in the league final I thought to be fair. Blue panther rightly said after that game that it could be the making of Dublin in 2017....to give them a reality check. He was right as it turned out. KK were good in the 2018 league final but how important will that be when the all Ireland hurling final comes around in august
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Post by piggott on May 29, 2018 15:46:24 GMT
Only Pat McCarthy Tim Kennelly and Ogie Moran. The rest had played in 1973 and 1974. So could this be 1973?
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Post by clarinman on May 29, 2018 16:49:38 GMT
Only Pat McCarthy Tim Kennelly and Ogie Moran. The rest had played in 1973 and 1974. So could this be 1973? Had Pat Spillane played before '75?
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Post by kerrygold on May 29, 2018 16:55:46 GMT
Kerry were very good in the league final I thought to be fair. Blue panther rightly said after that game that it could be the making of Dublin in 2017....to give them a reality check. He was right as it turned out. KK were good in the 2018 league final but how important will that be when the all Ireland hurling final comes around in august Whether it made Dublin or not in 2017 it still doesn't take away from what was a very good Kerry performance.
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Post by kerrygold on May 29, 2018 16:56:24 GMT
Only Pat McCarthy Tim Kennelly and Ogie Moran. The rest had played in 1973 and 1974. So could this be 1973? Had Pat Spillane played before '75? Hardly, he was only 19 in '75.
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