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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 27, 2018 17:38:41 GMT
Ok so because a few hard men came from north Kerry- we are willing to put up with the constant roastings? It’s an odd logic to be fair
For the record I do think that’s why Fitz keeps picking him tho- so we have a ‘hard man’ back there
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Post by dc84 on Mar 27, 2018 18:04:48 GMT
I dont see young as a starter he is too light for the full back line and too similar to murphy in the halves. Also Donaghy at ff have we learnt nothing from the replay against mayo? I hope that team picked above doesnt become a reality! Paul Geaney top-scored that day with Donaghy setting up a rake of scores. I would put our psychological approach far higher than the deployment of Donaghy on the list of culprits the second day out. I have nothing but respect for the man and i wouldnt blame him for last year i just feel we get too one dimensinal when he plays. Also he is 35 time for youth.thats all i will say dont like to comment on indv players negatively. I would use him as an impact sub if needed
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Post by southward on Mar 27, 2018 18:24:59 GMT
Well this is against the general consensus on here but I'd be happy enough with the league. No other team used as many young lads as Kerry did. We now have far more options than last summer and that's a real success in my book. I see Kerry number 2 behind Dublin and I'd expect Kerry to make a final or semi if we meet Dublin. Id say mayo are slightly ahead even tho the league was rough for them a lot will depend on that battle with galway in may the winner of that should be in good fettle semi is a minimum seen as we avoid the dubs unless we end up with galway mayo and tyrone in the super8s then its a lottery League or not, Mayo are dire at the moment and look to be in serious decline. They were poxed not to have been relegated on Sunday. Looks like Keegan will be out for much of the championship and COC can't kick snow off a rope these days. Not a good sign either that Keith Higgins chose the hurlers over them recently. At the other end there seems to be very little coming through. Can't see them beating Galway as it stands unless the tribesmen have just totally peaked for the league.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 18:29:17 GMT
What would people deem to be a successful championship this year? Is it minimum a final?
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Post by southward on Mar 27, 2018 18:45:24 GMT
What would people deem to be a successful championship this year? Is it minimum a final? Ah now, this is Kerry, it's Sam or nothing, you know that. If we had 30 garden gnomes on the panel, it would make no difference there.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 27, 2018 18:46:47 GMT
Mayo might be bad but their half backline and midfield are still better miles better than ours hard to score when you dont have the ball!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 27, 2018 18:56:28 GMT
What is the plan at training? Hope with 2 months solid training with a the first teamers that the backs will learn enough by marking the likes of grand, Clifford , jod etc in training?
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Post by keane on Mar 27, 2018 18:59:50 GMT
Didn't we absolutely wipe Mayo out at midfield in the first game last year?
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 27, 2018 19:28:32 GMT
Ok so because a few hard men came from north Kerry- we are willing to put up with the constant roastings? It’s an odd logic to be fair For the record I do think that’s why Fitz keeps picking him tho- so we have a ‘hard man’ back there Like Deehihan, Galvin, Flaherty, Breen and Kennelly, I would say that Shane Enright is mentally tough. He would need to be to be isolated "one on one" with an acre of space for his man to run into to collect the near perfect delivery. The black card has limited his options. But EF knows this and acknowledges that the corner back is carrying the can for the team when the half back line have pushed up as part of the team strategy.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 27, 2018 19:36:55 GMT
Didn't we absolutely wipe Mayo out at midfield in the first game last year? There it is
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 27, 2018 20:30:13 GMT
Ok so because a few hard men came from north Kerry- we are willing to put up with the constant roastings? It’s an odd logic to be fair For the record I do think that’s why Fitz keeps picking him tho- so we have a ‘hard man’ back there Like Deehihan, Galvin, Flaherty, Breen and Kennelly, I would say that Shane Enright is mentally tough. He would need to be to be isolated "one on one" with an acre of space for his man to run into to collect the near perfect delivery. The black card has limited his options. But EF knows this and acknowledges that the corner back is carrying the can for the team when the half back line have pushed up as part of the team strategy. It’s his lack of intelligence in defending that I’m worried about- he ya right in his mans arse when going for the ball- his man turns quickly and he slips- it happens over and over again. He just keeps getting killed on the turn. Really good defenders, when they realise that they won’t win it in front, take a step off and let the man turn- then tackle the ball. Tom Sullivan of rathmore was superb at it, likewise Mahoney, likewise Marc o se- Enright keeps making the same mistakes and getting skinned. If he hadn’t adapted now then it’s never going to happen
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Post by abù on Mar 27, 2018 20:31:16 GMT
If Enright is dropped who will replace him? If we had Mark and Tom Sullivan at their peak at the moment I feel they too would struggle with the way we are set up in defence.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 27, 2018 21:11:24 GMT
Didn't we absolutely wipe Mayo out at midfield in the first game last year? I just finished watching the drawn game there now. Dont think Kerry wiped Mayo in midfield at any stage. Kerry got about 6 points from needless frees conceded by Mayo. Moran kicking wildly and carrying the ball into the tackle was poor. No scoring threat by Kerry in half forward line. I think Kerry will be 20% better in 2018 with 5 or 6 new players on board
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Post by An Bradán on Mar 27, 2018 21:16:06 GMT
An interesting league giving us a few pointers.Every league campaign gives us a glimpse of what management are thinking. And what they are thinking of is one game and one game only and that is vs Dublin. This was evident by plan A and plan Z against Mayo last year. In the drawn game Kerry really underestimated Mayo and in the reply did the opposite. Minds were on a Dublin clash not Mayo in the build up. I could be 100% wrong but from what I've seen -Shane Murphy will start in goals. -We will play with a deep sitting centre back a la Cian O'Sullivan. -Kerry will have at least two hard running dogs of war in the fwd line. Kevin Mc and Adrian Spillane are likely. -Young guns like Gavin Crowley, Seanie O Shea, David Clifford, Jason Foley, Michael Burns and B.O'B will play big parts this year. Ronan Shan should too but his form fell off a cliff this time last year and he fouls too much.
-2018 will see a return to 2013 style blitz vs Dublin if we get to play them. This time we've a better squad. -Jack Barry to dominate midfield (and win an All Star) along with a rejuvenated David Moran. -Kerry will either crash and burn disastrously or win the all Ireland. It's all or nothing. -This forum will go beserk either way. He was close to being Man of the Match in the league final last year. He had a fine league last year but disappeared off the radar afterwards. This is what I drew attention to plus his high foul count. He's had another good league this year. I hope he has learned from 2017 and maintains his form this time. He is a promising and tenacious player and could play a major part yet. Would love to see it.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 27, 2018 21:19:49 GMT
Didn't we absolutely wipe Mayo out at midfield in the first game last year? I just finished watching the drawn game there now. Dont think Kerry wiped Mayo in midfield at any stage. Kerry got about 6 points from needless frees conceded by Mayo. Moran kicking wildly and carrying the ball into the tackle was poor. No scoring threat by Kerry in half forward line. I think Kerry will be 20% better in 2018 with 5 or 6 new players on board Just finished watching it aswell we broke even or were slightly better thought moran was good actually and obrien was decent in spells or subs played well for the most part. Im actually a lot happier after watching it as you said 4/5 new starters will make a big difference to that team. Mayo fouled because like ourselves they were under pressure
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Post by keane on Mar 28, 2018 12:04:13 GMT
Article here recounting how we took the Mayo kickout apart in the first half of that game forcing them to go very short very quickly in the second half - that matches my recollection pretty well. aib.ie/gaa/blog/2017/08/kerry_v_mayo_theinTo say Mayo are miles better at midfield than us is laughable to my mind.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 28, 2018 12:18:32 GMT
Article here recounting how we took the Mayo kickout apart in the first half of that game forcing them to go very short very quickly in the second half - that matches my recollection pretty well. aib.ie/gaa/blog/2017/08/kerry_v_mayo_theinTo say Mayo are miles better at midfield than us is laughable to my mind. Ok ok i stand corrected! After watching that game again moran was excellent, and i hope maher comes back he still has a role to play. Hopefully with a better half forward line this year we will be even better in the middle 3rd
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Post by oldschool on Apr 11, 2018 12:19:51 GMT
While we all have opinions on team selection, consider the following: No matter what players start (or don't) these points need attention.+ Kick out strategy must be in place. Reaction to opponents kick out. Giving away easy scorable frees Having the ball brought forward for back chat.
DEFENDING STRATEGY.
I think we have a good side. K. Donaghy needed up front.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 27, 2018 15:50:38 GMT
Any word on recent challenge matches? I see that Mayo played Donegal last week and Cork played Galway Tuesday night.
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 27, 2018 21:51:40 GMT
How many players are actually tied up with the panel at present.
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Post by hatchetman on Apr 28, 2018 8:45:21 GMT
I think Burns is a definite starter in the half-forward line. Personally I don't see why Killian Young should walk back on to the 15. I dont see young as a starter he is too light for the full back line and too similar to murphy in the halves. Also Donaghy at ff have we learnt nothing from the replay against mayo? I hope that team picked above doesnt become a reality! "too similar to murphy" - I wish we had half a dozen more players we could similarly 'criticise'!
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Post by dc84 on Apr 29, 2018 7:56:52 GMT
I dont see young as a starter he is too light for the full back line and too similar to murphy in the halves. Also Donaghy at ff have we learnt nothing from the replay against mayo? I hope that team picked above doesnt become a reality! "too similar to murphy" - I wish we had half a dozen more players we could similarly 'criticise'! AH i meant height wise, id take 15 with murphys attitude!
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Post by onlykerry on May 9, 2018 10:28:33 GMT
Is there any sign of an actual panel (32/33 players) being put in place this year or are we destined to have a large number of "nearly" players deprived of club or county football for the summer months? With the large number currently unavailable though being involved in the Kerry senior setup, plus the soon to start u20 players and then the traditional summer exodus clubs could struggle big time for June and July league games in particular.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 11:28:15 GMT
As far as I know a championship panel will be finalised in the next week...some older brigade to come back in which will free up some of the younger fringe players back to their clubs...could be as soon as this weekend from what I heard
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Post by greengold35 on May 9, 2018 11:41:10 GMT
Is there any sign of an actual panel (32/33 players) being put in place this year or are we destined to have a large number of "nearly" players deprived of club or county football for the summer months? With the large number currently unavailable though being involved in the Kerry senior setup, plus the soon to start u20 players and then the traditional summer exodus clubs could struggle big time for June and July league games in particular. There is a panel of 34/35 players in place & training at the moment; in addition, there is a 2nd group of players training one night a week in Curran’s who then are released to their clubs ( in theory) for county league - this group numbers about 10 at present - keeper, 3 backs, 3 midfielders & 3 forwards. I say in theory as this was not the case for round 3 of county league with all panelists except those playing club championships ( Crokes/Dingle/Na Gaeil) being away from their clubs. My understanding is that a decision on s final panel is being made this coming weekend - players on the 2nd panel do not know yet if they are being released for club duties at the weekend.
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Post by An Bradán on May 9, 2018 15:24:24 GMT
Any bolters in there. Any added as a result of club championship?
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Post by greengold35 on May 9, 2018 16:50:02 GMT
Any bolters in there. Any added as a result of club championship? Short answer is NO! No bolters, all the usual suspects - the second squad contains some U-21s ( O’Seanacháin), all guys who have been around.
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Post by onlykerry on May 9, 2018 17:52:44 GMT
Any bolters in there. Any added as a result of club championship? Short answer is NO! No bolters, all the usual suspects - the second squad contains some U-21s ( O’Seanacháin), all guys who have been around. The prospect of "bolters" appearing from club competition is approaching zero - the current belief is that a player needs a years strength and conditioning work at a minimum with the county set-up before they would be considered for a championship game.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 9, 2018 22:48:02 GMT
Who was Kerry's best player in the League and did they have a year if conditioning before breaking into the side?
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Post by kerrygold on May 10, 2018 14:20:28 GMT
Kerry's league form was very up and down. It would be difficult to pick a standout player from it...........
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