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Post by Leathama on Mar 19, 2018 8:23:27 GMT
Is it too late for someone to do a bit of 1-1 coaching with Jack Barry on his shooting? He was excellent on Saturday night but would love if he added some end product as he finds himself in the scoring zone time and time again but never pulls the trigger. I don't think it's a confidence thing, maybe he has been told not to shoot and to bring the ball into contact in those areas but I've lost count of the number of times he's been between the 21 & 13 and doubled back/been turned over.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 19, 2018 10:20:43 GMT
Is it too late for someone to do a bit of 1-1 coaching with Jack Barry on his shooting? He was excellent on Saturday night but would love if he added some end product as he finds himself in the scoring zone time and time again but never pulls the trigger. I don't think it's a confidence thing, maybe he has been told not to shoot and to bring the ball into contact in those areas but I've lost count of the number of times he's been between the 21 & 13 and doubled back/been turned over. Agreed 100% Jack does all the hard part but as you say its so frustrating when he seems to hesitate at the vital time . Jack is Young and this can be worked on if the desire is there within the coaching staff . I dont believe he exclusively has to be a man marker on Fenton thus taking away his own natural game at least not all the time. In the same way as i dont believe our best play maker this league Paul Murphy should be exclusively a man marker either as it takes away a lot of go ahead ball from us . Its seems to me we are trying to win games with the minimum of scoring players ,example Clifford looked like he was trying to do the scoring of three or four forwards on Saturday. If management want to keep on using non scoring wing forwards (plenty examples of that ) then they have to find a better distribution of scorers in other areas.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 19, 2018 12:41:57 GMT
Some inter county management teams have a Skills Development Coach. The only one I could see doing that for Kerry is Maurice.
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Post by bannerman on Mar 19, 2018 19:39:07 GMT
Liam hassett seems to be a problem, annoying opposition players and match officials He reminds me of that fella counihan had with him for cork few years ago
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 19, 2018 20:42:57 GMT
Liam hassett seems to be a problem, annoying opposition players and match officials He reminds me of that fella counihan had with him for cork few years ago Yea, same here - Ger Free, spent more time on the pitch than off it.
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Post by kot on Mar 19, 2018 22:22:17 GMT
Is it too late for someone to do a bit of 1-1 coaching with Jack Barry on his shooting? He was excellent on Saturday night but would love if he added some end product as he finds himself in the scoring zone time and time again but never pulls the trigger. I don't think it's a confidence thing, maybe he has been told not to shoot and to bring the ball into contact in those areas but I've lost count of the number of times he's been between the 21 & 13 and doubled back/been turned over. Reminds me of Darragh's original foil Donal Daly. Although Daly rarely turned it over but he seems to have be right in front of the goal with Kerry before he would even consider taking a pop. Considering he would have had impressive enough scoring stats for East Kerry & his club. Is Barry also being pigeonholed as the workhorse who is there to give it off to more established marksmen? Darragh on the otherhand was never one to shy away from having a pop at the goal.
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Post by kot on Mar 19, 2018 22:23:55 GMT
Liam hassett seems to be a problem, annoying opposition players and match officials He reminds me of that fella counihan had with him for cork few years ago Absolutely agree! To be honest I think he rubs off on the other management & players a bit. Fitz since he has arrived on the sideline with him has appeared more agitated to me anyway.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 20, 2018 8:28:05 GMT
Two stats from the tail end of Terrace Talk last yesterday evening. Daithi Casey 46 possessions. Kerry only won 10 of their own 24 restarts and 34% of the kickouts over all.
Phenomenal from Casey, disturbing re the restarts against the basement team in this division. Kildare got 4-5 points after HT all from lost kickouts from Kerry which really tightened the scoreboard. We were lucky on the night that Kildare had little penetration beyond the forty apart from their highly inconsistent full forward who hit a rich vein of form on the night.
Strange that EF stands passively on the line, hands in pockets, as the restart breaks down. I don't get it all!
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 20, 2018 11:03:40 GMT
Kerry were alot more direct when attacking, compared to say the game v Galway. As others have mentioned, Jack Barry needs to start taking the chances he gets in front of goal. I thought Crowley held the middle a bit better but like others would like to see Griffin tried there. Kick outs remain a problem but I thought the movement was appalling at times.
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Post by homerj on Mar 20, 2018 12:54:49 GMT
the positive side of our league campaign is that we are playing overall a brand of attacking football - we are the 2nd top scorers with only dublin ahead of us which is no surprise considering they have not lost and we have lost 3.
of course the other side is definsively, we are wide open and once again, our backs are getting no protection. surely you think wed have learned to shut up shop by now, as something clearly isnt working.
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Post by Fado on Mar 20, 2018 13:04:56 GMT
Retention of possession from Shane Murphy's kickouts at his club is very high, with some proper coaching, this can happen at county level too.
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Post by homerj on Mar 20, 2018 13:19:46 GMT
Retention of possession from Shane Murphy's kickouts at his club is very high, with some proper coaching, this can happen at county level too. this.....it appears we have no kick out strategy which should take 2 or 3 weeks to sort out. looks like fitzmaurice doesnt feel the need and is just focusing on putting it up in the air and winning it old style.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 20, 2018 14:00:44 GMT
Retention of possession from Shane Murphy's kickouts at his club is very high, with some proper coaching, this can happen at county level too. this.....it appears we have no kick out strategy which should take 2 or 3 weeks to sort out. looks like fitzmaurice doesnt feel the need and is just focusing on putting it up in the air and winning it old style. That would be fine if we were winning the breaks but we've been poor in that so far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 17:58:30 GMT
A lot easier with the crokes for various reasons to find your man.
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 20, 2018 21:33:24 GMT
Sometimes in games players performances can't be legislated for by opposition managers . If he right ball is played in, they are strong enough to win their own ball. Flynn did this tonight. Clifford has shown he is well able to do this. You say drop a player in front of Flynn tonight would of worked. Then that player wouldnt have been a sweeper. I think you are confusing a sweeper with double marking a guy. Dont forget Idiocy won you an All Ireland in 2014. No, not talking about double teaming/marking; playing a sweeper/extra man/free man in defence, offering protection to the full back line, not just the full back - marking space, not a man, making life more difficult for inside forwards to make and create space,having to make more than one run to get on the ball. Equally, not as easy for outfield players to pick a pass inside. Fair enough. But a sweeper wouldn't have stopped Flynns points. He was pulling out to the wings and coming deep for possession. He was too strong for Foley, Clifford done similar to Cian o Sullivan. Although Cian decided after a while to attack the ball and got some knock downs. Foley never done this ( granted the guy is young). Flynn got some exceptional points and sometimes you just have to hold your hand up. I'd be more concerned how your half back line is opened up when opposition employ decoy runs to pull them out of position.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 20, 2018 22:44:35 GMT
Its worth noting the numbers on the jerseys of the Dublin players in these clips of good defending. Dublin defend the area around the D very well now. The lessons of Donegal in 2014 were learned.
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Post by Fado on Mar 21, 2018 1:01:12 GMT
A lot easier with the crokes for various reasons to find your man} Elaborate please, what are the various reasons?
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Post by Fado on Mar 21, 2018 1:12:27 GMT
Not sure what happened there Ciarraiabu, please elaborate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 2:17:00 GMT
Not sure what happened there Ciarraiabu, please elaborate. Club level by definition is easier in most respects e.g. Less pressure, less sophisticated and less talented players & systems. Also Crokes are a very dominant team and win a lot of their games very comfortably. So there are less kick outs and less riding on them. The opposition are also less likely to push right up on them. There is a big difference between goal keeping for the crokes and for Kerry.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 21, 2018 4:20:18 GMT
Not sure what happened there Ciarraiabu, please elaborate. Club level by definition is easier in most respects e.g. Less pressure, less sophisticated and less talented players & systems. Also Crokes are a very dominant team and win a lot of their games very comfortably. So there are less kick outs and less riding on them. The opposition are also less likely to push right up on them. There is a big difference between goal keeping for the crokes and for Kerry. That is an inspired observation Ciarraiabu, personifies thinking before talking, a rare attribute, I learned something from you today!
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 21, 2018 8:18:06 GMT
Not sure what happened there Ciarraiabu, please elaborate. Club level by definition is easier in most respects e.g. Less pressure, less sophisticated and less talented players & systems. Also Crokes are a very dominant team and win a lot of their games very comfortably. So there are less kick outs and less riding on them. The opposition are also less likely to push right up on them. There is a big difference between goal keeping for the crokes and for Kerry. SK made it very easy for him in the county final. They didnt push up on his kickouts at all. Nemo did.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 21, 2018 8:58:37 GMT
Not sure what happened there Ciarraiabu, please elaborate. Club level by definition is easier in most respects e.g. Less pressure, less sophisticated and less talented players & systems. Also Crokes are a very dominant team and win a lot of their games very comfortably. So there are less kick outs and less riding on them. The opposition are also less likely to push right up on them. There is a big difference between goal keeping for the crokes and for Kerry. Crokes might have a kick out system, Kerry most certainly don't. That makes it impossible for any Kerry keeper.
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 21, 2018 9:39:13 GMT
Shane Murphy is very accurate on long kickouts and that is probably why he is being groomed for longer frees. The latter was very noticeable in the warm-up and thankfully he managed to score on his only attempt. The problem was further out the field when the receiver didn't make a clean catch the ball spilled to a Kildare player. We badly needed a dirty ball specialist.
And while we're on goalkeepers, why have we not yet come up with a tactic for dealing with the roaming goal keeper? Fot the fourth game in a row the opposition goalkeeper gained yards of ground with every Kerry player standing back off him. I was hoping to see him dispossed and see a dash for the untended goal but it never hapoened. And we have a man on our backroom team who is famous for dealing with an out of position goalkeeper!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 9:52:03 GMT
Lot easier to find your man for Crokes as other teams are busy steaming back into defence to operate one if not two sweepers.
To be honest from what I have seen with Murphy in the league he is struggling as has our previous couple of keepers when teams stay pushed up - struggled against Kildare, Donegal in particular - Dublin was the only game funnily enough where we did alright on our own kick outs
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 21, 2018 22:21:03 GMT
Kerry V Kildare
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Post by peanuts on Mar 21, 2018 22:52:50 GMT
Lot easier to find your man for Crokes as other teams are busy steaming back into defence to operate one if not two sweepers. To be honest from what I have seen with Murphy in the league he is struggling as has our previous couple of keepers when teams stay pushed up - struggled against Kildare, Donegal in particular - Dublin was the only game funnily enough where we did alright on our own kick outs In fairness most keepers struggle when the opposition push up.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 22, 2018 1:35:23 GMT
While ye are all on the subject of goalkeepers With plenty mixed opinion of Kelly and Murphy Can some one here rate Shane Ryan compared to these two Is it a possibility that he is a better keeper than the others.? And if so can we put the stubbornness aside and take another look at Him in the best interests of Kerry Football If Shane Ryan is only 1% better than the others we should go to the N th degree to get him . Now that the league is almost over can we press the reset button and give one last think outside the box And while doing so can someone look at Culhane from Ballylongford As a potential corner back wing back.
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Post by Fado on Mar 22, 2018 9:31:06 GMT
Looking at the game again, it's obvious there is no strategy for kickouts. Even if teams push up on the kickouts, there are ways to deal with it, simply just needs to be worked on.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 22, 2018 10:18:24 GMT
While ye are all on the subject of goalkeepers With plenty mixed opinion of Kelly and Murphy Can some one here rate Shane Ryan compared to these two Is it a possibility that he is a better keeper than the others.? And if so can we put the stubbornness aside and take another look at Him in the best interests of Kerry Football If Shane Ryan is only 1% better than the others we should go to the N th degree to get him . Now that the league is almost over can we press the reset button and give one last think outside the box And while doing so can someone look at Culhane from Ballylongford As a potential corner back wing back. He's refusing to play in goal again from what i've head. IMO Kealy is still the best option but he's not coming back. I think Culhane is in America? Was playing with New York last year.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 22, 2018 10:42:12 GMT
If true, the insistence that he would play his 4-5 club games per year in goals for Rathmore, it is the height of g.ob*ery. 95% of his total football would be spent in goals for Kerry and 99% of time training would be with Kerry in goals.
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