Jigz84
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 26, 2018 14:02:06 GMT
Anyone have any idea why Hassett and EF got so annoyed with the official who puts up the yoke indicating who is being substituted. Hassett looks like he hadnt the temperament to be a selector, if that is in fact his role. Whatever he is, he has learned jack all from last August
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 26, 2018 14:04:50 GMT
I am not convinced that Daithi Casey meant to point that referenced second attempt. I thought it was fairly clear that he was trying to drop it in- attempting to play a similar ball to that played into Donaghy against mayo in the drawn 2014 semi
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 26, 2018 14:09:05 GMT
Anyone have any idea why Hassett and EF got so annoyed with the official who puts up the yoke indicating who is being substituted. Hassett looks like he hadnt the temperament to be a selector, if that is in fact his role. Whatever he is, he has learned jack all from last August I got slated on here for criticising his ‘passion’ previously- he needs to be reigned in because it just turns officials against you. If you lose the plot over everything then the impact lessens everytime and now he just makes our management team seem like overly aggressive whingers
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Post by glengael on Feb 26, 2018 14:29:31 GMT
I thought the gold jersey looked great in the daylight yesterday. I thought the exact opposite. It looks more like a dingy washed out brown than any shade of gold.
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 26, 2018 14:36:13 GMT
I am not convinced that Daithi Casey meant to point that referenced second attempt. I thought it was fairly clear that he was trying to drop it in- attempting to play a similar ball to that played into Donaghy against mayo in the drawn 2014 semi I must look at it again. I thought he went for it. The sun shining into the camera didn't help.
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Post by fivenarow on Feb 26, 2018 14:43:15 GMT
I thought it was fairly clear that he was trying to drop it in- attempting to play a similar ball to that played into Donaghy against mayo in the drawn 2014 semi I must look at it again. I thought he went for it. The sun shining into the camera didn't help. A definite drop into the square, I was on the terrace & people started giving out once he hit it as it looked to be going wide. It was more than likely a reaction to a similar kick by eanna o conchubhair a few moments before which hadn’t sense or meaning to it. I don’t know who he was kicking it to but it was in to no one.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 26, 2018 15:22:36 GMT
I thought the gold jersey looked great in the daylight yesterday. I thought the exact opposite. It looks more like a dingy washed out brown than any shade of gold. I agree 100% glengael, it's more back to Bronze in my eyes, maybe if it was a bit more gold I might like it. Apparently it is hugely popular with the youngsters though.
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Post by f5 on Feb 26, 2018 16:18:26 GMT
I have never understood the problem with jersey colors. In the US each team has two basic uniforms (except where Nike and Under Armour are involved and they have fifty plus variations eg. college football). One uniform is in the primary team colors. The second uniform is basically white trimmed in the primary colors. You wear the opposite combination of what the home teal chooses to wear, pretty simple solution. The other variation would be to flip the colors of the primary jersey, for Kerry it would be the a shirt the same color as the primary jersey hoop, with a hoop the color of the primary jersey green. No need for both teams to change to some ugly or bizarre variation. The jersey maker, the county and the GAA all make lots of money as two good looking jerseys can be sold. I can't imagine a lot of people are clamoring for the navy blue or those awful gold variations.
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Post by veteran on Feb 26, 2018 16:19:27 GMT
Kerryexile, I take you point about the difficulty of kick passing in the presence of a strong wind but it is not the full story. Aside from running through us, I witnessed them delivering fine, raking kickpasses into open prairie in both halves irrespective of the wind. They also kicked some fine long range points , a feat we could not replicate to the same extent. That would suggest to me that they had a far better kicking game than us.
Furthermore, in recent years in benign weather conditions we have seen this endless pass the parcel on our bad days which sadly are recurring too often. No , I don't fully buy into this wind influence at all.
Wasn't it also refreshing to see frees being taken off the ground with such success by Galway. The better kickers were wearing maroon and not the faded petticoat.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 26, 2018 16:59:04 GMT
Have we any defensive or goalkeeping coach in the setup? Galway have one of Mickey Harte's former backroom team on board. Would prefer if selectors stayed together to consult. If we had this forum after League match v Meath in March 75 we would not have given that outfit much of a chance. Let the lads settle in and stop our county practise of blaming the manager all the time. Let's call a spade a spade, yesterday was appalling stuff for the most part and down to management in my view. Yes some of the backs committed needless & soft fouls but the continuing defensive shambles is down to management, as well as the lack of a kick-out strategy. At this stage it's embarrassing. We are yet to win a home League game in February under Fitzmaurice which is stunning.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 26, 2018 17:36:48 GMT
Diarmuid Murphy has been a big loss to the setup i feel over the past 2 seasons.
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Post by southward on Feb 26, 2018 19:00:14 GMT
Can anyone enlighten me as to why the two Galway lads got black cards in the second half? I was at game and watched it again last night but I am still none the wiser! There was a Galway yellow card in that incident as well as the two blacks. Nothing for Kerry. Yet the upshot was a free to Galway?
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Post by kerryboy83 on Feb 26, 2018 19:13:22 GMT
Can anyone enlighten me as to why the two Galway lads got black cards in the second half? I was at game and watched it again last night but I am still none the wiser! There was a Galway yellow card in that incident as well as the two blacks. Nothing for Kerry. Yet the upshot was a free to Galway? Baffling alright. Two black cards for Galway players but yet they still win the free out. What about the free Galway got just before half time? Was that a good challenge by o Brien? It was a beautiful point by Walsh though..
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Post by piggott on Feb 26, 2018 19:40:11 GMT
Have we any defensive or goalkeeping coach in the setup? Galway have one of Mickey Harte's former backroom team on board. Would prefer if selectors stayed together to consult. If we had this forum after League match v Meath in March 75 we would not have given that outfit much of a chance. Let the lads settle in and stop our county practise of blaming the manager all the time. Let's call a spade a spade, yesterday was appalling stuff for the most part and down to management in my view. Yes some of the backs committed needless & soft fouls but the continuing defensive shambles is down to management, as well as the lack of a kick-out strategy. At this stage it's embarrassing. We are yet to win a home League game in February under Fitzmaurice which is stunning.
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Post by piggott on Feb 26, 2018 19:45:30 GMT
Since Fitzmaurice took over only Dublin has beaten us in Championship until loss to Mayo last year. The manager is always lambasted when we lose. Dwyer in 1977, Micky Ned in 1992, Ogie in 1995, Paidi in 2003, Jack in 2005 and 2012, Pat Shea in 2008,and now Eamon.
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Post by mojo on Feb 26, 2018 20:07:59 GMT
Should Galway have been down to 14 men after the third black card??
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Post by mandad on Feb 26, 2018 20:55:19 GMT
Should Galway have been down to 14 men after the third black card?? The Galway substitutions were o.k. Three players who receive “straight” black cards may be replaced, subject to the total of six subs. Galway had used two subs before the 2 black cards and two more afterward – total of 6.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 26, 2018 22:40:33 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 27, 2018 9:43:19 GMT
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 27, 2018 11:38:38 GMT
Finally getting to looking at the game on video a few things jumped out most prominent being the devastating effect Brannigan had on us he literally tore us apart all afternoon but we did not counteract this until the damage was done . Walsh gave us plenty of problems too Looks like we are going to have to do some Zonal defense where we leave the Full Back at home where he is supposed to be and the center back too then pick up their men with players getting back because we can’t go man to man with confidence against the very pacy forwards in this league
Regarding the exasperating soft free give aways that s hurting us severely there was a classic example some where after the 60 minute When Shane and Jason where both tracking a Galway player who was clearly looking to lay off the ball and was no threat as soon as he felt the minimal contact of Foley’s hand he hit the deck, so happy with his cuteness he high fives the closest Galway Player with a massive celebratory grin on his face result the easiest of tap over frees? We need to wise up to this and double up on tackles when possible but without fouling . We need to get it together with a clear defensive coach and a clear forwards coach that is fully responsible and accountable for each department..
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 27, 2018 14:21:53 GMT
Tomás Ó Sé explains why he was downbeat on Kerry's chances against the top teams after Galway gamehere are plenty of reasons for optimism in Kerry football after the opening four rounds of the National League but Tomás Ó Sé believes the defeat to Galway on Sunday has highlighted some big problems. Kevin Walsh's new defensive system has yielded four wins from four for the Tribesmen and the utilisation of the pace of Eamon Brannigan, Shane Walsh and Damien Comer have many observers touting them as contenders in 2018. Speaking on Independent.ie's GAA podcast The Throw-In, in association with Allianz, Ó Sé pinpointed Kerry's struggle to break Galway down and deal with their offensive runners as causes for concern. "(Dublin) seem to be pulling away. I was in Tralee and watched Kerry play and I came away not feeling great," he said. "I enjoyed watching Galway. "I didn't have Galway anywhere near contenders last year of the top four. This year, time will tell, but they are a different team to the one we saw last year. It didn't look Tyrone out-and-out defensive or Donegal in their heyday. They still had a shape to their play. The key thing to what they did was when they turned over ball they attacked. They sacrificed one of their forwards back into Johnny Heaney's position at wing-back and they worked like dogs. If the ball broke down, their two half-forwards automatically dropped straight back. "Already they had eight players plus the two midfielders defending for Kerry to break up. "It's an issue for Kerry. I was disappointed with Kerry. "I know it's early and I know there have been lots of pluses. The young lads have put their hand up which is brilliant but I'd be worried because we did not cope well with facing a mass defence yesterday and we struggled defensively when they turned on us and came at us at pace. It's a thing that's going on with Kerry over the last number of years. We struggle when teams run at us. "In the first half, the only guy, possibly along with Peter Crowley, was Paul Murphy who was able to incisively cut through Galway and it's the only way you can do it. "In the second half we had a gale wind behind us and we put Paul Murphy man-marking in the full-back line whereas he was the guy causing Galway problems in the first half. "Clifford was brilliant. I thought Geaney was very quiet and you have potentially James O'Donoghue in there. They're no good to you unless Kerry devise a plan to free these guys up and don't play this lateral over and back game. "It was slow, everybody waiting, no one cutting through, it was the opposite of what Dublin do and it's easy to defend against that. "There are a lot of things Kerry can improve on but I think in terms of a system of play.. on paper, if you asked me who had the better team I'd say Kerry, but because of the system Galway played, Kerry struggled to enforce what they wanted to do. "Kerry will have to get a small bit wiser." Ó Sé wants to see Kerry develop a defensive system to mirror the likes of Galway. "At the moment I don't think we can handle the top teams by lining out with six players (in defence). I do think that Kerry need to look at adopting a system similar to Galway. "I don't think it's a horrible style of football. If you look at all the teams, the Dubs, Mayo. They all have a system for defending.
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Post by kot on Feb 27, 2018 14:33:03 GMT
Tactically inept I am afraid. With Hassett involved in the fray we seem to have gone backward and his carry on jumping up & down on the sideline seems to rub off on other members of the backroom team & players. Where are the cool heads?
The lateral passing across the half forward line is infuriating rather then purposeful it seems completely scattered and structureless.
I think the word on the defending and fouling has already been said, no need to go through it again!
The upshot is, its only February still. We don't want to be overly worried if we haven't executed our plan for August yet.
The downshot is, Dublin next week - if they do to us what they have been doing to everyone else we are staring relegation in the face after opening wins. Whether its been Feb or Sept since 2015 we have had the same old failings. Unreliable goalkeeper, poor kickout execution, stupid fouling and naieve defending.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 27, 2018 14:40:12 GMT
Tomas fairly nails it in his piece above.
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Post by taggert on Feb 27, 2018 18:40:49 GMT
Good piece by TSe. Whatever about the selectors who are there, or not there, the buck ultimately stops with Fitzmaurice. There are any amount of defensive, offensive and tackling specialists that he could introduce to the setup - Mayo, Galway and Dublin managers have no wualma about doing so and aren't any weaker as persons or teams for doing so.
Young players in the aforementioned counties slot into a readymade system and structure of playing - everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet. Contrast this with Kerry who are persisting with the one-v-one, naive, every man for himself approach rendering us less than the sum of our parts and imminently controllable and beatable by half decent opposition.
If this pertains beyond the summer, I think EF should be invited to move on.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 27, 2018 20:07:28 GMT
All the major field games are built on defence first and foremost, soccer, rugby etc. The Dubs transition from defence into attack with fluidity and are cutting edge in doing so. They are in control all over the field in what they do.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 27, 2018 21:44:42 GMT
We can't tackle without fouling
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 27, 2018 21:53:28 GMT
Whatever he is, he has learned jack all from last August I got slated on here for criticising his ‘passion’ previously- he needs to be reigned in because it just turns officials against you. If you lose the plot over everything then the impact lessens everytime and now he just makes our management team seem like overly aggressive whingers He gets way too involved for my liking, he spends a lot of his time running around like a headless chicken. I wonder what he does contribute? On the sideline you need to be able to read the play and concentrate on moves being made on the pitch, for example Galway's switch of Conroy which won them so much possession. We failed to react to this. We are still far too conservative in our play. It seems to be about stats, possession and not giving the ball away rather than taking a risk and cutting loose. We have class forwards, however, we insist on pissing about with the ball around the middle.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 27, 2018 22:01:26 GMT
Can anyone enlighten me as to why the two Galway lads got black cards in the second half? I was at game and watched it again last night but I am still none the wiser! There was a Galway yellow card in that incident as well as the two blacks. Nothing for Kerry. Yet the upshot was a free to Galway? [/quote the free to Galway was bizarre.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 27, 2018 22:27:20 GMT
Kerry have been out thought by Dublin and Mayo in recent years.
Looks like Galway are doing so now too.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 27, 2018 22:30:05 GMT
Kerry have been out thought by Dublin and Mayo in recent years. Looks like Galway are doing so now too. Its all hype regarding Galwsy. I can't see them being serious contenders this year
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