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Post by gamechanger10 on Feb 25, 2018 22:15:31 GMT
Very disappointing effort today, I would take the result if we had gone down swinging but to lost two league points to Galway as a result of not having the tact or imagination to deal with an intentional defensive radius that was selectively played to trouble a player that would have a go if he was close to their scoring range. Is it really that simple to stump the Kerry management , have a rotating defensive shield just outside the expected long rank kicking zone. We frustratingly played pass the parcel over and back from one side to the other and back again. Every player involved was so engrossed in finding the next receiver hat the option of the long ball despite some good runs inside seemingly was never considered.
So so frustrating to endure, the Dubs deal with tyrones blanket with great efficiency as a result of a plan. They will play a lateral game but their game has intent, when the ball is swept to the right side of the field a (prerehearsed) a few players on the left side will run at the defensive setpiece. This tactic will at low water cause an unwelcome breakdown in their defensive structure and plans, if a Dub finds space the outfield players have their heads up as they play the lateral game, they ping in a pass and the player has a pop at a scre. Today we clearly had absolutely no work done on how to trouble Galway’s new blanket defensive structure. It was stunning to look at our team who seemed to be a group who had never seen this tactic before, it was almost like a kickback to 2003, we were like ducks in thunder, stunned and just waiting for someone to ask the questions that we all knew the answers to because we learned them in Fitzgerald Stadium training school.
We have a right good team here and I hope we don’t have a scenario of the driver not understanding the gear ratio of his new powerful Ferrari. That team is glistening with diamonds but they need a ball to shine. On a side note will someone have a word in Hassets ear to spend a few minutes on the exterior of the sideline, Christ he looked to be doing nothing only breaking the players concentration if not their confidence out there today, I simply don’t understand how the officials don’t deal with him, he is barking at everyone and it’s high time someone put a leash on him and perhaps a muzzle when it comes to officials.
Management have plenty to work on and I’m sure they will learn from today and in truth that’s what it’s all about, on here we vent frustration and sometimes anger and perhaps that’s our right coming from a proud footballing like Kerry but for a bloody nose someone learns how to prepare a bandage. We head to the capital next week and I expect a game that will suit our talents more forgivingly than today’s spiders web. The result may not differ but there will be a little more room for the diamonds to sparkle in Croke Park.
Hearing the news of the heart breaking loss of that talented young O Connor boy puts in perspective the result of today’s game. May he Rest In Peace and may all those who hurt in the shadow of his life find comfort in time in the contribution he made to their lives and indeed to the lives of his community and the good people of West Kerry. There are no words that can dull the pain of his loved ones but I pray that the support of their neighbors and the wider GAA community will in time help them in their long term recovery. A lively happy, talented little kid like him would never have blossomed without love and support in his life, God help them at this time.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 25, 2018 22:23:43 GMT
Delighted to have spent 7 hours driving to and from that over the weekend. At least it didn't rain.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 25, 2018 22:41:39 GMT
Not a huge surprise to me I have to say that Galway won this. They had beaten Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo and the influx of youth has them on a roll at the moment. So I feel its not being fair to Galway to totally rubbish Kerry's efforts today. Galway seemed to to have finally turned a corner.
When their Corofin contingent return they will be stronger.
They had no heart whatsoever v Kerry in the QF last August and it would be good for the game if they can reach Mayos level of recent years.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 25, 2018 23:22:26 GMT
Very disappointing effort today, I would take the result if we had gone down swinging but to lost two league points to Galway as a result of not having the tact or imagination to deal with an intentional defensive radius that was selectively played to trouble a player that would have a go if he was close to their scoring range. Is it really that simple to stump the Kerry management , have a rotating defensive shield just outside the expected long rank kicking zone. We frustratingly played pass the parcel over and back from one side to the other and back again. Every player involved was so engrossed in finding the next receiver hat the option of the long ball despite some good runs inside seemingly was never considered. So so frustrating to endure, the Dubs deal with tyrones blanket with great efficiency as a result of a plan. They will play a lateral game but their game has intent, when the ball is swept to the right side of the field a (prerehearsed) a few players on the left side will run at the defensive setpiece. This tactic will at low water cause an unwelcome breakdown in their defensive structure and plans, if a Dub finds space the outfield players have their heads up as they play the lateral game, they ping in a pass and the player has a pop at a scre. Today we clearly had absolutely no work done on how to trouble Galway’s new blanket defensive structure. It was stunning to look at our team who seemed to be a group who had never seen this tactic before, it was almost like a kickback to 2003, we were like ducks in thunder, stunned and just waiting for someone to ask the questions that we all knew the answers to because we learned them in Fitzgerald Stadium training school. We have a right good team here and I hope we don’t have a scenario of the driver not understanding the gear ratio of his new powerful Ferrari. That team is glistening with diamonds but they need a ball to shine. On a side note will someone have a word in Hassets ear to spend a few minutes on the exterior of the sideline, Christ he looked to be doing nothing only breaking the players concentration if not their confidence out there today, I simply don’t understand how the officials don’t deal with him, he is barking at everyone and it’s high time someone put a leash on him and perhaps a muzzle when it comes to officials. Management have plenty to work on and I’m sure they will learn from today and in truth that’s what it’s all about, on here we vent frustration and sometimes anger and perhaps that’s our right coming from a proud footballing like Kerry but for a bloody nose someone learns how to prepare a bandage. We head to the capital next week and I expect a game that will suit our talents more forgivingly than today’s spiders web. The result may not differ but there will be a little more room for the diamonds to sparkle in Croke Park. Hearing the news of the heart breaking loss of that talented young O Connor boy puts in perspective the result of today’s game. May he Rest In Peace and may all those who hurt in the shadow of his life find comfort in time in the contribution he made to their lives and indeed to the lives of his community and the good people of West Kerry. There are no words that can dull the pain of his loved ones but I pray that the support of their neighbors and the wider GAA community will in time help them in their long term recovery. A lively happy, talented little kid like him would never have blossomed without love and support in his life, God help them at this time. We met the new Galway blanket defense today and by all accounts it took us unawares we had no plan on how to deal with it ?? The Mastermind behind this effective Galway defense today was Tyrone’s Paddy Tally the same Paddy Tally who orchestrated that 2003 humiliation of Kerry by Tyrone .Fifteen years on we still have nothing in our playbook to counter this negative but effective strategy!! We need to work on different scenarios or are we playing off the cuff all the time ? Hats of to Paddy Tally you win again Paddy after all these years .!Hopefully this time it’s a case of Galway win the battle but we win the war . We can innovate too you know so let’s get back on track upwards and onwards from here .
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Post by dano on Feb 25, 2018 23:35:56 GMT
I was thinking the very same thing. Galway have become the harassers and hounded kerry like Tyrone used to.And There was no remedy for it. The ball couldn't get past midfield whereas Galway were able to run through with ease at times. Too many wayward passes and hail marys that went wide. A day to forget. I suppose it is good to have a day like this in February rather than August. Very hard to stay positive about the next night.
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Post by dart on Feb 26, 2018 6:34:14 GMT
Kerry got stuck going sideways on the oposition 45, this lead to turnovers and a swift counter attack which would race up towards the Kerry goal ahead of all but one or two Kerry backs. The rest of the kerry team would sprint back but the ball was ahead of them and it usually lead to a foul on the attacing team. If it happened once or twice fair enough but 79 minutes is shocking stuff. Not good at all.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 26, 2018 8:35:45 GMT
When did this Paddy Tally chap join the Galway set up?
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 26, 2018 9:01:43 GMT
It appears as though Eamonn & Co have learned nothing from the last 4 years and are unable to advance tactically. That's the most worrying thing from yesterday. Galway already have a far superior defensive set-up to Kerry. There's no excuse for this.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 26, 2018 9:15:56 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 26, 2018 9:21:52 GMT
What’s the story with regards our chairman been glued to fitzmaurice for all games now? Has he become a selector? It looked like he was mic'd up to Sheehy & Fitzgerald. I don't like it personally.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 26, 2018 9:32:44 GMT
Dublin dismantled that "Tyrone" defensive setup in five minutes last summer..............!
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 26, 2018 9:37:29 GMT
It appears as though Eamonn & Co have learned nothing from the last 4 years and are unable to advance tactically. That's the most worrying thing from yesterday. Galway already have a far superior defensive set-up to Kerry. There's no excuse for this. I hear the concerns being expressed about out tactics and share them to a degree - however I am hoping the league is about finding out about players more than honing tactics. In this regard I am more happy that we are getting a better idea of who is ready for Championship fare and who is not - come the end of March I expect to see a major cull of the current mammoth panel and then the business of tactics being addressed in a serious fashion once the management know their hand with regards to players.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 26, 2018 9:38:28 GMT
What’s the story with regards our chairman been glued to fitzmaurice for all games now? Has he become a selector? It looked like he was mic'd up to Sheehy & Fitzgerald. I don't like it personally. Ya, standing on the terrace yesterday, Fitzmaurice nods to Murphy who comes forward. Then Murphy steps back and speaks into the collar of his coat. Very American special branch like. Probably ties in with the closed door policy. Disappointing result yesterday with a few positives sprinkled here and there. The last two games are likely to be relegation battles now with Kildare and Tyrone. Pity after such a bright start to the league. We cant be too critical of the young players who are finding their feet at this level. It takes time. The Shane Ryan thing should be sorted out immediately for the betterment of the team.
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Post by allrounder on Feb 26, 2018 9:59:32 GMT
Can anyone enlighten me as to why the two Galway lads got black cards in the second half? I was at game and watched it again last night but I am still none the wiser!
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Post by dc84 on Feb 26, 2018 10:08:25 GMT
I think one of them tripped geaney no3. And the other was mouthing to the umpire thats all i can think of. Anynews on some of our returnees. Im thinking of Moran, Morley and Griffen in particular. Think griffen should be given a chance at 6
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Post by veteran on Feb 26, 2018 10:16:42 GMT
I got in for the second half of the hurling yesterday. Kerry had it wrapped up at that stage. However, my comments here concern the new "away jersey" First of all , why wear this so called away jersey at home? Needless to say Meath wore their green and gold jersey.
The jersey? Absolutely appalling. What in the name of God has this hodge podge ensemble got to do with our glorious , traditional colours. I am only slightly exaggerating when I say these colours upset me as much as our insipid performance.
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Post by stuffoflegends on Feb 26, 2018 10:23:17 GMT
Can anyone shed Light on the Daithi Casey situation?
He kicks the winner in the Donegal game. Doesn't feature against Mayo. Gets 14mins against Monaghan Gets 9mins yesterday.
I personally feel he is not being given a fair crack of the whip or am I wrong? Daithi has being one of the best half forwards in the county in recent times. I'm sure seeing he's club mate Burns start ahead of him must be like a dagger to the heart. I'm interested especially from the Crokes Contingent to hear what they think? Is Burns better than Casey?
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Post by piggott on Feb 26, 2018 10:43:28 GMT
Have we any defensive or goalkeeping coach in the setup? Galway have one of Mickey Harte's former backroom team on board. Would prefer if selectors stayed together to consult. If we had this forum after League match v Meath in March 75 we would not have given that outfit much of a chance. Let the lads settle in and stop our county practise of blaming the manager all the time.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 26, 2018 10:50:02 GMT
I got in for the second half of the hurling yesterday. Kerry had it wrapped up at that stage. However, my comments here concern the new "away jersey" First of all , why wear this so called away jersey at home? Needless to say Meath wore their green and gold jersey. The jersey? Absolutely appalling. What in the name of God has this hodge podge ensemble got to do with our glorious , traditional colours. I am only slightly exaggerating when I say these colours upset me as much as our insipid performance. Absolutely appalling kit is right. So much for it being our away jersey. I see Barry o Mahony came on yesterday even though he hasnt played senior with crotta yet. His introduction meant that four of kerrys hurlers yesterday have minor football all ireland medals ...to the best of my knowledge. I doubt that has happened before.
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Post by wayupnorth on Feb 26, 2018 11:27:27 GMT
I got in for the second half of the hurling yesterday. Kerry had it wrapped up at that stage. However, my comments here concern the new "away jersey" First of all , why wear this so called away jersey at home? Needless to say Meath wore their green and gold jersey. The jersey? Absolutely appalling. What in the name of God has this hodge podge ensemble got to do with our glorious , traditional colours. I am only slightly exaggerating when I say these colours upset me as much as our insipid performance. Second that regarding the jersey. But it’s an alternative rather than an away jersey. I think the hurlers wearing it yesterday was only its second outing. If so the unpalatable truth is that we haven’t yet lost when wearing it. It pains me to say it but maybe we should consider it for Saturday.
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 26, 2018 11:44:29 GMT
A number of posters have commented on the absence of kick passing. Kick passing is not an option when there is a gale force wind. The kick must be much more measured than when taking a score. In these conditions the wind can effect the ball even between hand and foot making the wrong connection altogether.
Yesterday was a case of a bunch of young players on a learning curve.
The biggest mistake yesterday by management was not having another 2 or 3 experienced players available to come on in the second half. There were points there for the taking with proper use of the wind. Daithi Casey proved this. His first effort from the right wing curled wide. He recalibrated his compass and planted the next one between the posts. Whatever about a Tyrone defensive coach the game was there to be won.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 26, 2018 12:09:35 GMT
The old adage about making sure the forward knows he has earned a free was absent yesterday. In my head I counted 5 fouls that were converted by Galway that were because of a bit of a push or a pull by our full back line. Needs to be addressed.
Of course the strange positioning of some of the backs and the wide open spaces in front of the Galway inside forwards didn't help.
Do the management not see this or are they just seeing how the backs get on in these situations, knowing they will be exposed to these 1 on 1s in Croke Park at some stage?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 26, 2018 12:11:05 GMT
I am not convinced that Daithi Casey meant to point that referenced second attempt.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 26, 2018 12:23:39 GMT
The old adage about making sure the forward knows he has earned a free was absent yesterday. In my head I counted 5 fouls that were converted by Galway that were because of a bit of a push or a pull by our full back line. Needs to be addressed. Of course the strange positioning of some of the backs and the wide open spaces in front of the Galway inside forwards didn't help. Do the management not see this or are they just seeing how the backs get on in these situations, knowing they will be exposed to these 1 on 1s in Croke Park at some stage? You come away a lot wondering if game plans are being worked on. I can't see any evidence of work on the restart for example. Kerry had nothing in the locker to break down Galway defensive set up in the second half with the aid of the strong wind. Something seriously wrong there with game management.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 26, 2018 13:11:45 GMT
Anyone have any idea why Hassett and EF got so annoyed with the official who puts up the yoke indicating who is being substituted. Hassett looks like he hadnt the temperament to be a selector, if that is in fact his role.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 26, 2018 13:25:29 GMT
A number of posters have commented on the absence of kick passing. Kick passing is not an option when there is a gale force wind. The kick must be much more measured than when taking a score. In these conditions the wind can effect the ball even between hand and foot making the wrong connection altogether. Yesterday was a case of a bunch of young players on a learning curve. The biggest mistake yesterday by management was not having another 2 or 3 experienced players available to come on in the second half. There were points there for the taking with proper use of the wind. Daithi Casey proved this. His first effort from the right wing curled wide. He recalibrated his compass and planted the next one between the posts. Whatever about a Tyrone defensive coach the game was there to be won. Good point, i think this tyrone lad is getting some kudos altogether im sure it has nothong to do with the addition of one of the most natural fullbacks i have seen in a long time!
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Post by f5 on Feb 26, 2018 13:33:46 GMT
At one point yesterday Kerry got a free in around mid-field. I counted 12 consecutive short passes back and forth across the field with the end result being eventually losing possession 5 meters behind where they took the free.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 26, 2018 13:37:02 GMT
Anyone have any idea why Hassett and EF got so annoyed with the official who puts up the yoke indicating who is being substituted. Hassett looks like he hadnt the temperament to be a selector, if that is in fact his role. They were cranky with the refereeing and were discussing it with the fourth official.
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Post by mandad on Feb 26, 2018 13:56:03 GMT
I got in for the second half of the hurling yesterday. Kerry had it wrapped up at that stage. However, my comments here concern the new "away jersey" First of all , why wear this so called away jersey at home? Needless to say Meath wore their green and gold jersey. The jersey? Absolutely appalling. What in the name of God has this hodge podge ensemble got to do with our glorious , traditional colours. I am only slightly exaggerating when I say these colours upset me as much as our insipid performance. The rule that relates to the clash of colours is as follows:- “County teams shall wear their registered distinctive colours in Inter-County competitions. Where there is similarity of colours, the two counties shall wear their registered alternative colour(s) or other colours authorised or directed by the Committee in Charge.” In other words, both Kerry and Meath were required to wear their second (away) colours yesterday. From where I sat in the stand yesterday I wondered to myself how the late Con Houlihan would describe the colour of our ‘Back to Gold’ outfit. The mind boggles.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 26, 2018 14:00:50 GMT
I thought the gold jersey looked great in the daylight yesterday.
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