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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 25, 2018 16:17:55 GMT
Not surprised with Galway after seeing them in the flesh v Donegal, Tribesnem were robust and potent, and already fully up and running, they unseated every tactic and punished each and every mistake. Apart from the result Ambrose was concerned with the performance - now I wasn't there but were we really that poor?
And now I don't want to be a whinger but our commentary needs to be mindful that the audience needs to be told where the action is, otherwise it is like someone having a conversation with themselves.
Billy O'Shea gave a good post match analysis.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 25, 2018 16:53:05 GMT
I heard game on Radio and only in patches and in those few minutes Peter Crowley and Shane Enright gave away close to 5 frees between them !!! But hold on this is not new this has been going on fot years now so frustrating it appears to me that the praise from the sideline for big hits supersedes the tough disciplined man coverage Time to. Get tighter but the discipline is wreckless and not getting any Better is our stats guy keeping track of foul count per player ?? Had to get that off my chest. It’s just bring going on too long now and it’s not difficult to fix it .
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 25, 2018 17:03:58 GMT
Didn't see today's game due to other commitments but very disappointed. Tough visit to Croke Park next week.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 17:07:01 GMT
It appears the kick pass no longer part of the Kerry game plan, especially when beyond half way. Burns seems to be the only one capable of delivering a good kick pass into the full forward line.
Dublin using the kick pass with a devastating effect when transitioning from defence to attack. A basic skill that Kerry seem to have forgotten about.
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Post by fenit67 on Feb 25, 2018 17:12:06 GMT
At no point in that match did I feel confident of a win and indeed we should have lost by more. Even had we scored from the early goal chance, Galway, much as Donegal did, were able to waltz through our defence and they should have converted more of their chances. Our forwards were off the pace today but the half-backs and midfield kept us going. Our defence is committing the same mistakes that Kerry defences have been making for the past 5 years and the opposition keep profiting. When will the sideline start remedying this huge problem? The lethargy shown by many players was evidenced today by the Galway goalie twice being able to stride down the pitch, at some leisure, without being seriously inconvenienced! Would this be allowed to happen in a Kerry training match? I doubt it somehow. I will always want Kerry to win. We have a crop of players who are winners but that mentality will be bred out of them unless something changes on the sideline. I am not a fan of the current setup but they have the whiphand for now but I won't be sad when the situation changes.
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Post by fivenarow on Feb 25, 2018 17:12:33 GMT
Just home & frozen. That was a shocking performance, Galway were the better team throughout & if we did get that goal near the end it would have been a complete injustice. We’ve all said that the selectors should give some of these guys a chance but there’s some of them not up to senior inter county football. Brian Kelly made 2 brilliant saves in the first half & the Galway number 3 missed a sitter in the second half & if they had scored we’d have been out the gap with 15 mins to go. Galway walked through our backs on numerous occasions & our forwards must have a channel worn across the 45 meter line, it was over & back all day with no one making a break through the Galway backs, being honest I don’t think they have the ability or strength to do it either. Kelly, Paul Murphy & David Clifford were the best of a poor performance. It’s obvious that we need a few fellows back fast as the team in the current format is a million off winning an AI. I know it’s only February but that was as poor a performance that I have seen by a kerry team at home in a long time.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 25, 2018 17:28:06 GMT
Firstly for those misfortunes who had to rely on Radio K commentary - just believe the result, RK commentaries are a joke. With the wind in the first half Galway kicked some great scores - with the wind in the second half Kerry crisscrossed the field with intricate "dance" routines. One would be forgiven the purpose of the game was possession or even the number of passes a team can string together. With talented kickers like Geaney, O Shea and Clifford it bamboozeles me as to why we don't take on scoring opportunities with a strong wind assisting us. Galway defended in an arc 45 mt out and we just ran over and back in front of their defence - frustrating to watch. Close intricate passing played into Galway's hands - inept from Kerry and we got the result we deserved.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 25, 2018 17:30:16 GMT
Just home & frozen. That was a shocking performance, Galway were the better team throughout & if we did get that goal near the end it would have been a complete injustice. We’ve all said that the selectors should give some of these guys a chance but there’s some of them not up to senior inter county football. Brian Kelly made 2 brilliant saves in the first half & the Galway number 3 missed a sitter in the second half & if they had scored we’d have been out the gap with 15 mins to go. Galway walked through our backs on numerous occasions & our forwards must have a channel worn across the 45 meter line, it was over & back all day with no one making a break through the Galway backs, being honest I don’t think they have the ability or strength to do it either. Kelly, Paul Murphy & David Clifford were the best of a poor performance. It’s obvious that we need a few fellows back fast as the team in the current format is a million off winning an AI. I know it’s only February but that was as poor a performance that I have seen by a kerry team at home in a long time. It is only on reading this I realise that maybe we are being harsh, make no mistake but Galway are as good now as they normally are in the Championship and with much of our team are only coming through you couldn't be too down hearted. We should be able for Kildare and Tyrone and not winning the League mightn't be the end of the world. I suppose a young team are that bit less robust and of all the teams in Div 1, this Galway outfit would be one of the best pair to open them up. That it was in Tralee wasn't so nice but we will get over it and the Clifford project is going well, his last point was sublime. Just heard the bad news re that young Dingle boy and which puts things into perspective, RIP,
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Post by dc84 on Feb 25, 2018 17:38:28 GMT
Just home & frozen. That was a shocking performance, Galway were the better team throughout & if we did get that goal near the end it would have been a complete injustice. We’ve all said that the selectors should give some of these guys a chance but there’s some of them not up to senior inter county football. Brian Kelly made 2 brilliant saves in the first half & the Galway number 3 missed a sitter in the second half & if they had scored we’d have been out the gap with 15 mins to go. Galway walked through our backs on numerous occasions & our forwards must have a channel worn across the 45 meter line, it was over & back all day with no one making a break through the Galway backs, being honest I don’t think they have the ability or strength to do it either. Kelly, Paul Murphy & David Clifford were the best of a poor performance. It’s obvious that we need a few fellows back fast as the team in the current format is a million off winning an AI. I know it’s only February but that was as poor a performance that I have seen by a kerry team at home in a long time. It is only on reading this I realise that maybe we are being harsh, make no mistake but Galway are as good now as they normally are in the Championship and with much of our team are only coming through you couldn't be too down hearted. We should be able for Kildare and Tyrone and not winning the League mightn't be the end of the world. I suppose a young team are that bit less robust and of all the teams in Div 1, this Galway outfit would be one of the best pair to open them up. That it was in Tralee wasn't so nice but we will get over it and the Clifford project is going well, his last point was sublime. Just heard the bad news re that young Dingle boy and which puts things into perspective, RIP, Totally agree my thoughts and prayers to his family friends and teamates perspective indeed RIP
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Post by oldschool on Feb 25, 2018 17:55:05 GMT
A few observances on the game. Overall a poor performance. Lack of discipline. We could have been beaten by a lot more. Goalie saved us a lot of blushes. ===================================== I'm frozen
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Post by fenit67 on Feb 25, 2018 18:08:35 GMT
Condolences to the family of Aodhán O'Connor. Football brings us so many emotions but the very last is the pain of a family suffering a loss from a freak accident. RIP
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Post by oldschool on Feb 25, 2018 18:12:10 GMT
Absolutely agree fenit67.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 25, 2018 18:12:39 GMT
Firstly for those misfortunes who had to rely on Radio K commentary - just believe the result, RK commentaries are a joke. With the wind in the first half Galway kicked some great scores - with the wind in the second half Kerry crisscrossed the field with intricate "dance" routines. One would be forgiven the purpose of the game was possession or even the number of passes a team can string together. With talented kickers like Geaney, O Shea and Clifford it bamboozeles me as to why we don't take on scoring opportunities with a strong wind assisting us. Galway defended in an arc 45 mt out and we just ran over and back in front of their defence - frustrating to watch. Close intricate passing played into Galway's hands - inept from Kerry and we got the result we deserved. [/b] Poor performance - inept the most accurate word to describe the fare on offer - side line listless; when we introduced Matthew Flaherty at wing back, Galway moved Paul Conroy there from midfield - we did nothing to counteract this mismatch in the air and virtually all of Galway's 2nd half kick outs were sent in this direction. Lucky to escape with a 3 point defeat.
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Post by southward on Feb 25, 2018 18:16:21 GMT
A few observances on the game. Overall a poor performance. Lack of discipline. We could have been beaten by a lot more. Goalie saved us a lot of blushes. ===================================== I'm frozen A few more.... Serious pace in that Galway side. Foley had a fine game on Comer, who was scoreless. Crowley very lazy in the tackle. Shambolic refereeing throughout, though it didn't affect the outcome, it must be said. Clifford has some power in his kick, not sure I've ever seen anything like it. Looking more and more comfortable in the senior side. Geaney was pretty anonymous today, didn't look terribly interested. Thawing out nicely now. At least the hurlers won.
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Post by pillar on Feb 25, 2018 18:32:16 GMT
Same old problem again as we suffer from the lack of a structure to our defence.Manmarking means were getting pulled and dragged all over the place .One runner from midfield and it looks like a goal every time.But for Brian Kelly it could have been over at half time.We really must keep our defensive shape and learn to tackle from the forward line backwards.Doesnt matter whos playing if you havent a system you are goosed.David Clifford looked good today as did Jack Barry and the aforementioned Kelly.But the collective defensive effort needs sorting.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 25, 2018 18:34:08 GMT
A few observances on the game. Overall a poor performance. Lack of discipline. We could have been beaten by a lot more. Goalie saved us a lot of blushes. ===================================== I'm frozen A few more.... Serious pace in that Galway side. Foley had a fine game on Comer, who was scoreless. Crowley very lazy in the tackle. Shambolic refereeing throughout, though it didn't affect the outcome, it must be said. Clifford has some power in his kick, not sure I've ever seen anything like it. Looking more and more comfortable in the senior side. Geaney was pretty anonymous today, didn't look terribly interested. Thawing out nicely now. At least the hurlers won. Foley gave away 3 tap over frees. I wouldn't call that a fine game.
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Post by MeathExile on Feb 25, 2018 19:18:29 GMT
Listened to it on RK and saw second half deferred. For Galway goal there was no sign of a centre back or full back in the camera view - Stephen O Brien was the closest man to him at the end. We really need to cop on and hold a reasonable defensive formation and stop following guys all over the place - it's not rocket science. Foley was following his man all over the field and when he won it, he was either passing it sideways or backwards - no attempt to drive forward until the very end.
Where have all the kick-passes gone? Over and back 50 yards from goal - exact same as last week against Monaghan. Only penetration was from the half backs - same as last week. This malaise has been with us too long now.
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Post by veteran on Feb 25, 2018 19:23:38 GMT
Abysmal is as good a way as describing our performance as any other. The mystery is how we were so close at the end and had David's vicious kick gone in at the finish we would have got a sensational draw.
I wonder what we get up at training . It clearly isn't devising a game plan. Galway clearly have one. Crowd the back and then break at pace with everybody seeming to know their role and work like a dervish to implement it. We did we have a discernible game plan last? Unless of,course you call our default system a game plan- ponderous , lateral , handpassing, hither and thither with the opposing backline not having to break sweat to get positioned to strangle us. Is it conceivable that Mikey and Maurice, two sublime kickers of the ball, are prepared to endorse this drivel while eschewing the kickpas. It is an unfathomable riddle.
For example, come the summer we could have a full forward line of David, Paul and JO'D. On paper possibly the most potent full forward line in the country. How profitable is it going to be if we cannot devise a system to service them. It will be utterly demoralising in the summer if we continue to fiddle faddle with the ball out field while the three lads are redundant inside. Look, if we cannot get good ball into them get any kind of ball into them . It is a truism that the worst ball for an inside forward is no ball. I am beginning to wonder if Eamon thinks too much about the game, making it more complicated than it is . In a nutshell Eamon, it is about propelling tha ball as quickly and efficiently from one end of the field to the other. Galway made a good fist of that today. We meandered and dithered and got what we deserved.
After this shambles , I hope there is not a rush cull a lot of the younger folk. They deserve proper direction. Is the current management worthy of them ? Too early to say but one cannot be too hopeful at this stage. As regards the older folk. Wasn't it so disappointing to see older folk like Peter Crowley and Shane Enright foul so often today. Will we ever coach our backs how to tackle without giving away baby frees. One is loath to criticise Paul Murphy but on about three occasions in front of me in the first half he jumped for kicksout with the midfielders leaving no ground cover on his side. A wing back should never contest a kickout being disputed by the midfielders. Just a lack of street wisdom which Paul should not be guilty of.
The referee did not influence the outcome of the match but he turned a blind eye to a disturbing feature of the game which I hope is not going to be the latest innovation in football. I have never seen so much man handling of opponents while the kickout was being taken. Players grabbed on their opponent , very often bringing him to the ground. . This happened in front view of the referee but seemed to regard it as a normal part of the game. I presume this is an aping of what we saw in the closing stages of the All-Ireland. If teams want to ape Dublin would it not be more beneficial of they aspired to their standard of football. It is a disturbing trend and would need to be eradicated before it becomes endemic. The man masquerading as a referee does not fill one with hope in that respect. Another member of rogues' gallery.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 25, 2018 19:37:08 GMT
Couldn't make the game today and only had one eye on tg4. From what i saw it seemed we had the same old problem. We can't handle when a team runs at us. We have been the same all through Eamonns tenure and I don't know if he is capable of solving it at this stage.
Dublin, Mayo, Galway (last year) Tyrone (in 15) even Clare last year have all cut our defense to ribbons at times. Get past your man and the whole thing just seems to open up for us.
If he wants to play man to man at least being a half forward back to cover our defense.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 25, 2018 19:49:29 GMT
Another thing. If the management don't get their act together re a defensive system i would have no qualms if the young lads like Clifford etc aren't 'cup tied' as it were and free to play with the U20's in their All Ireland campaign. Let them have a shot at the U20 all ireland as unless things change radically, they won't be winning a senior one this year.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Feb 25, 2018 19:51:07 GMT
What’s the story with regards our chairman been glued to fitzmaurice for all games now? Has he become a selector?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 19:52:41 GMT
I would echo a lot of what has been said. For the goal shanahan was injured but the ref never stopped the game. He tried to play on but got run past for the goal.
Him and geaney will be losses if not available next week.
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 25, 2018 20:26:15 GMT
We knew and expected what Galway would bring and they did but we expected Kerry management to have a plan and prepare accordingly. What was the plan? Prior to winning their long awaited All Ireland in 2011, Dublin management and players often mentioned the significance of finally beating Kerry in Kerry during a league match earlier that season after years of subjugation. The Kerry boot has been on the Galway throat for a long time but today Galway tore it off. It might be only February but Galway and Kevin Walsh put down a marker today and Éamonn consider your card well and truly marked!
Kerry have well and truly lost their fear factor and certainly now with Galway too. I remember seeing an interview with Sean Armstrong following last year’s quarter-final defeat and Sean felt what made the defeat worse for this Galway group was they genuinely felt Kerry were no great shakes and there for the taking and he expected Mayo to beat them and Sean’s assessment was proved to be spot on. Coupled with the way Galway's own youngsters tore asunder a much vaunted Kerry under 21 team last year and they knew if they get their heads right they have bodies, speed and enough football now to match and beat Kerry. As mentioned, we know it’s only February but come the summer should paths cross Galway won’t be standing back to admire us.
Condolences to the family and friends of Aodhán O'Connor. RIP
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:44:11 GMT
We are going backwards. Definitely our worst performance of the League so far. Backs all over the place. Again teams continue the run right up the middle of our back line and nobody touches them. Galway look like a team who continue to improve and could make an impact in the Championship.
It's still only February but our backs are a serious problem. Not saying we don't have issues up front but I think we have options and more depth up front. Dublin will beat us and we will probably beat Kildare. It will be hard to beat Tyrone in the last game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 21:14:05 GMT
I thought Galways style was very effective and very negative today. I don't see that working when it comes to croke park and summer football.
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Post by fenit67 on Feb 25, 2018 21:29:09 GMT
I had penned a more biting opinion on today's offering which might have been unfair considering I had only Radio Kerry as a guide, but I thought better of pressing the reply button. Radio Kerry's commentary is quite simply atrocious, Billy O'Shea excepted. There is no feeling for the flow of the action or it seems keeping the listener informed of the little things like.......the score, the match time or where the ball is on the field. Personally I am in favour of a commentator and no one else, it's a one man job.
Our sideline may as well be taken from Madame Tussaud's for all the good that they do. I do not see how the present incumbents will improve given the record since 2013. How have we become stronger? Where have the improvements been made? In Peter Keane and Stephen Wallace we have proven winning coaches. One may counter by saying that they were only Minor and Junior but they were winning and both played for Kerry. They know the club game having won Club All-Irelands with their respective clubs.
Players are picking up yellow cards but for what? I don't expect all 15 players to be carded but the backs, if they are to receive them, must do so for a good reason. The message that needs to be shared with every team in Ireland is that if you come in to the house it will be a house of pain where the defenders will give you nothing. There is far too much pawing and pulling and dragging; now aren't those stupid reasons to be carded. Which brings me to the "union meetings" which have become de rigueur it seems and often lead to cards or worse. We saw it today when we were just 2 behind then a row is started, the ref lets loose with the confetti and Galway race up the field and somehow miss an open goal. The management must surely have enough experience to tell the players not to get involved and just let our football do the talking; I am convinced that we have the football to beat any team.
In our matches this year so far, when the ball is played fast to our forwards we have looked unplayable. Why is it then, given such ability, that we spend our time playing "pass the parcel" across our 50 or when we go forward we turn and play the ball backwards! It is nonsense of the highest order and it was highlighted today with a free 40 from our own goal being played back to Brian Kelly who played it back out to the same player in near enough the same position who was lucky to have a free awarded to him; does this happen in training? If it does then the management need to examine their methods. A previous poster questioned our foot-passing. I think our players are most capable but lazy coaching and an insistence on idiot-proof handpassing are to blame. If the punched pass were mandatory things would change and they would change even more if kick passing were imposed in training.
It was a frustrating day and with journeys to Dublin and Tyrone profit announcements are postponed with only the visit of Kildare giving any prospect of a change in dividend forecast for the first quarter.
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Post by fealeside on Feb 25, 2018 21:30:06 GMT
Both Crowley and Foley were pulled out of position all day today and ultimately Galway won the game because of this. Kerry are repeatedly leaving holes at the back and as one poster said earlier it's a case of beat your man and you're in. Our discipline is a joke and is not been addressed either. It's very tormenting.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 25, 2018 21:38:04 GMT
Reading many of yere posts here I’m getting a clearer picture of what’s going on I think it’s fair to say we are not playing to near our potential ! Why is that ? Well we have clearly outlined so many obvious ones the most puzzling ones being 1. Lack of any semblance of kicking game 2. Sloppy/ Lazy defending giving away too many frees
Regarding the lack of kicking this is rare for a kerry team our whole identity is built on being good kickers of the ball right? The absolute dearth of kicking into the full forward line and the high missed shots and wides count is contrary to our footballing culture.
Fouls given in the scoring areas out of control I had mentioned earlier in this post that I had a deja vue moment When I heard on radio of about 5 fouls committed in a very short time by two of my favorite players Enright and Crowley, this foul count could be much higher I just heard a small portion of the game while driving and cursed this blight of lazy tackling only because it’s not being fixed, then I read that another star player Jason Foley gave away three tap over frees also ?? I know our backs are under pressure and sometimes outnumbered . But the soft nature of the frees given away is hurting us more that I think we realize . It s clear that there is no consequences from the sideline for sloppy tackling I know that because it’s not improving one bit in the last few seasons .The soft free count was way too high today and let’s not be blaming the Ref for these. If anyone has the stat on that frees against today I’d like if you shared it. Looking forward to righting the ship and beating the Dubs in a few weeks we know what we have to do nothing here that can’t be fixed.
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Post by wayupnorth on Feb 25, 2018 22:03:35 GMT
I got to Austin Stacks just before the hurling to secure my seat in the stand (memories of Inniskeen). By half time in that match the stand was full of mostly Kerry supporters so management could hardly complain about the level of support. It was absolutely freezing so well done to all us hardy animals! At least we got to see a Kerry victory in the hurling but what was it that followed? This may well be a blip but where was the dogged bunch that was so evident in the first two games and the second half of the Monaghan match. We knew Galway would be a tough challenge. They haven’t won all their games without conceding a goal so far without being a serious outfit and perhaps being out of sync due to the Monaghan postponement was taking effect but we should have been prepared and we clearly were not. So who is responsible for team preparation? And yet there were times where we could have salvaged the game. The deficit at half time was not insurmountable going into a wind-assisted second half and ther was a distinctive purple patch in the second half where I thiought the tide was about to turn but Galway’s spoiling tactic of an organised melee appeared to put paid to that. We should have expected this from watching them against Mayo but we has no plan to deal with it. Another tactic, also seen in Monaghan was the roaming goalkeeper and again we were clueless. Fail to plan and you plan to fail. Astonishingly we had a gold plated chance to snatch a draw at the death. The team of the first two matches would not have missed such a chance but this team had given up long beforehand. This was reflected by something I have not witnessed in a long time. Scores of Kerry supporters heading for the exit before the end of normal time with at least seven minutes to play and only two scores to level matters. This would normally fill me with disgust but hand on heart I can’t blame anyone who felt unable to stick around.
I’m trying to find some positives but there aren’t any. Even hoping today is the nadir of our League campaign is a bit forlorn given that we have to face the Dubs next Saturday. At least we know what to expect from them!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 25, 2018 22:14:04 GMT
My main issue is prob the same as many others- we have no cohesive tactical plan.
The management team seems to view a team a several separate units as opposed to one functioning organism.
To make a system work- everything has to be tied together and we still look nowhere near closer to that
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