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Post by glengael on Apr 24, 2018 8:20:20 GMT
Yes the qualifiers turned up a few of those alright. It was the end of O'Mahony's era, Mayo were back the following year, putting it up to us in AI semi-final, the day Gooch scored one of his finest ever goals. They haven't been too far away from the big stage ever since.
It will be interesting to see how this years reforms work out in practice.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 24, 2018 8:32:47 GMT
There is still a significant number of that Mayo team still around trying to win their All-Ireland medal.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 24, 2018 8:57:32 GMT
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Post by champer on Apr 24, 2018 21:14:49 GMT
Shots fired by Mike Quirke at Fitzmaurice in today's Examiner.
With the Kerry club championship finals fixed for next weekend, the county league action took centre-stage on Saturday and Sunday.
Though Kerry wouldn’t play a Munster championship semi-final against either Clare or Limerick until June 3, no player involved with the county squad was released to play those games.
It is not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things as rightly or wrongly the clubs are used to playing league football without their county men.
But at the moment, there is an unusually high number of players tied up with the extended county panel. We (Kerins O’Rahillys) were down our five county panellists and drew with An Gaeltacht who were minus two last Saturday evening. Dingle were missing another six or seven as were Dr Crokes, with plenty of other clubs impacted across the county.
I’ve repeatedly made the point the games’ schedule for clubs in Kerry is as good as what exists in any county in Ireland. We’ll play well over 20 club games, starting in late January and finishing in early October at the latest. Those fixtures are confirmed and provided to clubs early in the year and do not change. That provides the kind of certainty that enables players to organise their lives outside the game; they can plan holidays, weekends away, go to concerts or whatever else they want to do around an unchangeable schedule.
Following the hectic spell in late March and early April, where we had three club championship games in consecutive weekends followed by county league last weekend, we don’t now have another game for three weeks.
With that in mind, we decided to give our players the next week and half off to allow them to go away and recharge the batteries.
After that, we have a game coming almost every fortnight for the rest of the summer. It’s an ideal scenario for club players, with regular games running all the way up to the start of our county championship competition in September.
But for the life of me, I can’t figure out why those players who were training with their county over the weekend couldn’t have been playing competitive games for their clubs six weeks from the opening provincial championship game.
Of course, Éamonn Fitzmaurice and his management need time to prepare their troops for the upcoming Munster campaign, and this is obviously a very fractured period with so much club activity going on, but they still have a month and half to plot and plan.
Mayo are only three weeks away from their showdown with Galway and their players were playing league football for their clubs last weekend. Monaghan are doing something similar and making sure they incorporate their ‘star’ rounds into league competition to ensure they have their county players for a number of games that carry extra points.
Dublin have shut down county training for a few weeks and even provided us with the unusual sight of Stephen Cluxton playing centre-back for his club Parnell’s against St Sylvester’s in the club championship last weekend.
The problem as I see it is with this whole notion of the county management ‘releasing players’ back to their clubs.
If you ask me, and within reason of course, it should be the other way around. Clubs will eventually have to stand up and say ‘no, we’re not releasing our players to train with the county when we have a club game at the same time’.
Obviously, once you get within a two or three week window of an inter-county championship game, nobody has an issue with players sitting out club games to mind their bodies and get enough rest and recovery. Nobody wants to see the players caught in the middle and getting flogged trying to serve two masters.
But it only makes sense to allow guys to play as many games as they can get, within reason, especially players towards the back end of the county squad, and if clubs continue to be ignored on this issue up and down the country, they will eventually need to rise up to fight their corner more vehemently that they are at the moment.
It would be great for all counties, and for the association in general, if players involved with the county panels were more accessible to their clubs and communities. It really shouldn’t be that difficult a situation to remedy and ensure all county players are available for at least four rounds of league action with their club every season. In Kerry, that’s about all we’re missing from having an ideal club scenario.
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peaking of a situation worth remedying, I thought it was hugely inappropriate of Mickey Harte and the others within the ‘Gaelic athletes for no vote’ group to try to use the GAA as a vehicle to advance their beliefs on the upcoming referendum on the Eight Amendment.
Campaign for whichever side you wish, vote whatever way you want, your beliefs on the issue are of no concern of mine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 4:53:30 GMT
While I would agree with the general crux of the article, I do wonder what the point was of having a full round of league fixtures last weekend after the previous 3 weeks of club championship. A weekend off would do everyone some good not just the county players.
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Post by Fado on Apr 25, 2018 6:40:21 GMT
Haha, Mike has plagiarised my writings, he can expect a lawsuit shortly🤑
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 25, 2018 7:44:10 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 25, 2018 7:47:02 GMT
I would be interested in Mikes views on the Monaghan idea. Basically clubs play away without county men during the summer intercounty season in games that carry less league points. When the county men return to clubs these games carry more points.
It would help KOR in particular as clubs with a lot of county men are a lot poorer without them
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 25, 2018 12:17:07 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 25, 2018 12:20:45 GMT
While I would agree with the general crux of the article, I do wonder what the point was of having a full round of league fixtures last weekend after the previous 3 weeks of club championship. A weekend off would do everyone some good not just the county players. Why not keep the full April window for championship games? Not sure why the county players were pulled to be honest, they have them all week at Kerry training. Maybe it was exercise in marking one's territory. Top Cat or TC as he was known on the streets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 18:49:56 GMT
I wouldn't blame Mayo for what they have done too much. Galway is a massive game for them. Kerry likely have clare in 5 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 18:54:16 GMT
While I would agree with the general crux of the article, I do wonder what the point was of having a full round of league fixtures last weekend after the previous 3 weeks of club championship. A weekend off would do everyone some good not just the county players. Why not keep the full April window for championship games? Not sure why the county players were pulled to be honest, they have them all week at Kerry training. Maybe it was exercise in marking one's territory. Top Cat or TC as he was known on the streets. No need for 4 weeks of games in a row for any player. Given when kerrys next game is, I would have no issue with club games the next 2 weekends.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 26, 2018 8:31:25 GMT
Why not keep the full April window for championship games? Not sure why the county players were pulled to be honest, they have them all week at Kerry training. Maybe it was exercise in marking one's territory. Top Cat or TC as he was known on the streets. No need for 4 weeks of games in a row for any player. Given when kerrys next game is, I would have no issue with club games the next 2 weekends. Richie Power seems to agree with you although I think it is a red herring in an isolated months window of club activity. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0425/957207-frantic-new-format-makes-championship-an-injury-lottery/
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Post by seamus on Apr 26, 2018 13:39:59 GMT
Is the winter training ban still in place?
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 26, 2018 21:20:05 GMT
It doesn't seem to be policed?
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Post by mossie on Apr 26, 2018 22:37:43 GMT
interesting to see Mike Quirke reference the Dublin pattern
he cities Cluxton playing at 6 for his club in the football championship, you also have some Dublin footballers playing club hurling this time of year as well as club football
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 26, 2018 22:54:40 GMT
It doesn't seem to be policed? Irish solution to an Irish problem.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 27, 2018 7:40:45 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 27, 2018 7:42:50 GMT
So it appears that Daragh oConnell opted out of Dublin hurling squad as he needed a rest.
Mark Schuttes decision is odd. He will hardly get a look in with the footballers.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2018 7:59:02 GMT
It doesn't seem to be policed? Irish solution to an Irish problem. The preseason training ban, the April window and the general fixtures issues can't be solved until we have 4 regional championships made up of eight counties to replace the lopsided provincial championships.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 27, 2018 8:06:47 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 27, 2018 8:08:19 GMT
Sky are eyeing up the super 8s. Will they have exclusive rights to many games....
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2018 8:10:14 GMT
Only a matter of time before Sky take over......................
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 27, 2018 8:12:56 GMT
Irish solution to an Irish problem. The preseason training ban, the April window and the general fixtures issues can't be solved until we have 4 regional championships made up of eight counties to replace the lopsided provincial championships. There is way too many inter county fixtures now. What we need in more quality. You can get that with fewer fixtures if you pit teams of equal quality against each other.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2018 8:16:13 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2018 8:19:20 GMT
The preseason training ban, the April window and the general fixtures issues can't be solved until we have 4 regional championships made up of eight counties to replace the lopsided provincial championships. There is way too many inter county fixtures now. What we need in more quality. You can get that with fewer fixtures if you pit teams of equal quality against each other. You pretty much have that now, equal quality. Dublin, Mayo and Kerry have just raced away from the pack.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 27, 2018 8:34:05 GMT
The structure should ensure that the top four will meet each other in a high stakes game in the summer. Its possible that dublin wont play both kerry and mayo. Or kerry wont play both dublin and mayo. Thats flawed
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Post by buck02 on Apr 27, 2018 8:37:51 GMT
The reaction to the TV schedule is going to be very loud.
The GAA really dropped the ball in this one and it goes to show the lack of forward thinking or joined up thinking when decisions are made.
They made the deal with RTE and SKY for a certain number of games when they knew the likelihood of the Super 8's and more "top class" games were on the horizon. (And then with the Super 8's confirmed, the GAA were shoehorned into the new hurling format - further exacerbating the problem).
But then again the loss of some of these early round games from live TV wont be any big issue - Offaly v Kilkenny, Dublin v Westmeath, Fermanagh v Donegal etc etc - really who outside of the people in these counties want to watch these type of games live. And if you do just go.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2018 8:51:28 GMT
Sky, Sky money and high-end games in Croker will backbone the championship going forward.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 27, 2018 8:57:18 GMT
The structure should ensure that the top four will meet each other in a high stakes game in the summer. Its possible that dublin wont play both kerry and dublin. Or kerry wont play both dublin and mayo. Thats flawed Agree with that. The deluxe four playing each other after the super eights giving the platinum two for the final and the winning Gold One would be very dramatic. A great platform for Sky Sports also and pay day for Croke Park........................Inevitable in time with Sky on board now....................
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