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Post by dc84 on Apr 17, 2018 14:03:44 GMT
I think fitzy is a fine coach who sets his teams up well with a solid game plan. What he is poor at is in game management he is slow to change things and when he does its often strange dicisions ie 2015 taking JOD off.
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Post by clarinman on Apr 17, 2018 14:06:32 GMT
I think fitzy is a fine coach who sets his teams up well with a solid game plan. What he is poor at is in game management he is slow to change things and when he does its often strange dicisions ie 2015 taking JOD off. I think the Mayo replay showed a very poor team setup and no game plan.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 17, 2018 14:16:28 GMT
I think fitzy is a fine coach who sets his teams up well with a solid game plan. What he is poor at is in game management he is slow to change things and when he does its often strange dicisions ie 2015 taking JOD off. I think the Mayo replay showed a very poor team setup and no game plan. Game plan was to try replicate the league final game plan against Dublin reading between the lines after listening to last nights interview. Maybe a case of it just didnt work on the day?
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 17, 2018 15:51:42 GMT
Kerry need a good summer or the disconnect will grow further. The closed door policy is causing as many problems as it is perceived to be solving. What I didnt realise is that the public can go and watch the team training during the league. People can get their fix during January, Februray and March if they so wish. Having open training during the summer would be total and absolute madness. I'm not sure what Kerry are going to be doing in private during recovery sessions on the training field during the super eights and a potential semi final that won't be on full view during that 4-5 week playing window. A partial locked door policy would suffice. Let the people connect with the team. There has never been a greater disconnect and I'm watching Kerry a long time. On occasions when Jack O'Connor looked the gates in Killarney it created great excitement and a buzz amongst the lock-outs outside................
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 17, 2018 16:07:24 GMT
Errah I don't know whats going on at all these training sessions to be honest that every one of them is a closely guarded secret.
Nothing they have put out in the pitch (bar Declan in a deep lying role against cork in 14) smacks of any great master plan. I would have no problem locking the gates if it resulted in a better team performance.
As the man says we are where we are.
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 17, 2018 16:12:01 GMT
Can't agree with an open door policy. Not in this day and age where it is possible to transfer every single aspect of what is going on there. It was different in Micko's day where football was played on a 15 vs 15 basis. Man against man. There was no social media and video cameras were the size of a small car.
Opening up championship training to the public serves who exactly ? Autograph and selfie hunters.
Are other counties inviting the public into all of their training sessions. I doubt it. Try and wander in to Mayo or Dublin summer sessions. I'm sure your view will be the gates closed in your face.
I'm sticking my neck out here and saying Kerry will win the A.I. this year or go damned close. I've seen enough to encourage this thought over the past few years. Mayo was a huge cock up last year. Kerry totally underestimated them the first day and panicked on the second. Sights were only fixed on Dublin in the final. This is the only game they were thinking of. I doubt if that mistake will happen again. Our squad is now stronger than at any point since 2011 and I think desperation and the terror of another loss may just see us over that line.
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Post by kerryman72 on Apr 17, 2018 18:40:09 GMT
Eamon said in the interview he didnt no why people were bot wt league training that it was open to the public but how can they expect people there if they dont day what day and time there training this makes no sense
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Post by veteran on Apr 17, 2018 19:26:09 GMT
I cannot understand the furore over closed training sessions. In thiis era of the technology highway it makes perfect sense. How many of the top counties hold open training sessions routinely?
If there is a souring of relationships between management and supporters it is unlikely due to the closed gate but most likely due to no apparent kickout strategy, inexplicable personnel selections, incessant sideways/ backwards handpassing, committing too players to attack etc.
Be assured, closed gate or open gate, tactics or no, if Kerry are champions in 2018 , the romance with Eamon will be restored. That is the way of sport. Success has many fathers , failure is an orphan.
Talking about success and failure , or more accurately success and relative success., I must refer to the Gramd Nationa. Davy Russell has been rightly lauded but there has scarcely been a mention of young Jack from Dinlge . A neophyte riding a thirteen year old horse comes in third having given a has been horse a flawless ride. Remember only twelve finished out of a field of thirty eight. As I said , that is the way of sport . Winner takes all.
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 17, 2018 20:09:57 GMT
I know in Dublin there is a focus now (certainly where im coaching )on underage kids being encouraged to problem solve on the pitch themselves in real time, allow them make mistakes and not be afraid too. No pointless complicated drills that just make the coach look good and have no benefit to what might happen in a game. As much games as possible .
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Post by southward on Apr 17, 2018 21:20:43 GMT
Personally, I could never see the appeal of going to watch lads training. Don't think I'd want an audience if I was a player training either.
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Post by john4 on Apr 17, 2018 23:11:51 GMT
What I didnt realise is that the public can go and watch the team training during the league. People can get their fix during January, Februray and March if they so wish. Having open training during the summer would be total and absolute madness. I'm not sure what Kerry are going to be doing in private during recovery sessions on the training field during the super eights and a potential semi final that won't be on full view during that 4-5 week playing window. A partial locked door policy would suffice. Let the people connect with the team. There has never been a greater disconnect and I'm watching Kerry a long time. On occasions when Jack O'Connor looked the gates in Killarney it created great excitement and a buzz amongst the lock-outs outside................ I agree Kerrygold, Mikey Sheehey commented earlier in the year about the lack of support for the team in Croke Park, but this complete closed doors policy has completely separated the team from the supporters, they could and should in my opinion have more open training sessions. The players might even get a buzz from it, Look it, it's primerally kids that would go to see their heroes. There's no rocket science level of intellect recuired to figure out that if 6' whatever Donnaghy is, is starting full forward that the ball is going to go in high. I haven't seen Kerry play with a tactic of note in a long time. We have to think about the future too, the IRFU hold open training between matches, kids will go to where they can see and meet their heroes and try to emulate them. I remember going to see Kerry training in the 80's and you'd go home and kick points off the gable end like Jacko or Spillane. The game as a whole in Kerry in the long term will suffer if they don't make some effort to show that we are all in this together
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 18, 2018 9:07:51 GMT
I'm not sure what Kerry are going to be doing in private during recovery sessions on the training field during the super eights and a potential semi final that won't be on full view during that 4-5 week playing window. A partial locked door policy would suffice. Let the people connect with the team. There has never been a greater disconnect and I'm watching Kerry a long time. On occasions when Jack O'Connor looked the gates in Killarney it created great excitement and a buzz amongst the lock-outs outside................ I agree Kerrygold, Mikey Sheehey commented earlier in the year about the lack of support for the team in Croke Park, but this complete closed doors policy has completely separated the team from the supporters, they could and should in my opinion have more open training sessions. The players might even get a buzz from it, Look it, it's primerally kids that would go to see their heroes. There's no rocket science level of intellect recuired to figure out that if 6' whatever Donnaghy is, is starting full forward that the ball is going to go in high. I haven't seen Kerry play with a tactic of note in a long time. We have to think about the future too, the IRFU hold open training between matches, kids will go to where they can see and meet their heroes and try to emulate them. I remember going to see Kerry training in the 80's and you'd go home and kick points off the gable end like Jacko or Spillane. The game as a whole in Kerry in the long term will suffer if they don't make some effort to show that we are all in this together There is a distinction to be made between partial and complete lockout...........
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 18, 2018 9:11:34 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 18, 2018 9:22:34 GMT
Personally, I could never see the appeal of going to watch lads training. Don't think I'd want an audience if I was a player training either. I think for a lot of older Killarney GAA townies it was almost a sort of drop-in social club on summer evenings. Wander up to the park, throw an eye on the training and have the chat with other heads. I can totally understand the need for closed training nowadays.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 18, 2018 9:27:41 GMT
Have to say, while i am excited about the prospect of what the young lads will bring to the championship this is one of the first years there is only pure hope rather than any expectation of any sort going into the championship.
We seemed to have used the league to only 'give lads games' without any degree of thought behind it. About building a defensive style or a pattern of play. If we come out and play with the same old nonsense this year of bunching around our 50 then I feel Eamonn has run out of ideas. For the last few years our forward play has been poor as well i think to be honest.
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Post by glengael on Apr 18, 2018 10:08:32 GMT
If there is a souring of relationships between management and supporters it is unlikely due to the closed gate but most likely due to no apparent kickout strategy, inexplicable personnel selections, incessant sideways/ backwards handpassing, committing too players to attack etc.
Nail on the head Veteran. The County Board could be giving supporters afternoon tea on the lawn in Currans served by the Brennan Brothers, but if the above isn't dealt with, then where are we going?
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Post by dc84 on Apr 18, 2018 10:58:49 GMT
If there is a souring of relationships between management and supporters it is unlikely due to the closed gate but most likely due to no apparent kickout strategy, inexplicable personnel selections, incessant sideways/ backwards handpassing, committing too players to attack etc. Nail on the head Veteran. The County Board could be giving supporters afternoon tea on the lawn in Currans served by the Brennan Brothers, but if the above isn't dealt with, then where are we going? Couldn't agree more the closed doors policy is a red herring in my view if we were winning there wouldnt be any talk about it.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 18, 2018 12:15:54 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 19, 2018 17:12:48 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 23, 2018 10:12:15 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 23, 2018 13:25:12 GMT
How anyone thinks pitting the strongest agsinst the weakest is a good idea is beyond me.
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Post by keane on Apr 23, 2018 13:34:52 GMT
Nothing interesting, never mind new, in that 'idea' from Marc O Se. It must be the laziest excuse for an article I've ever seen - 'here's a bog standard championship rejig proposal sent to me by a randomer on twitter'.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 23, 2018 13:48:02 GMT
Marc could argue he is just emerging from the inter county bubble and hasn't read media reports in over a decade..........
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Post by keane on Apr 23, 2018 13:53:06 GMT
And so can't tell the difference between a good article and a worthless one?
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 23, 2018 15:00:10 GMT
How anyone thinks pitting the strongest agsinst the weakest is a good idea is beyond me. The record of Division 4 teams in the championship Division 4 teams played 160 championship games between 2010 and 2017 inclusive. Division 4 teams won 43 games, lost 112 and drew 45. 2 of those wins came against New York who don't compete in the league. 26 of those wins came against other Division 4 teams. 10 came against Division 3 teams. 4 came against Division 2 teams. 1 came against a Division 1 team. Overall 160 championship games and 5 wins against top 16 teams or to put it another way 15 wins against Division 3 or higher opposition. Also it looks like the gap is widening if anything [it's hard to say with any great certainty due to the small number of games], but Division 4 teams have 1 win against Division 3 or higher opposition in the last 2 championships (40 games played)
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Post by pony on Apr 23, 2018 15:01:36 GMT
How anyone thinks pitting the strongest agsinst the weakest is a good idea is beyond me. That is the only way to get a B All Ireland through is if you are relegated in to it during year, every county will have to start the year competing for Sam, otherwise the weaker counties will never go for it. Like every competition in sport, you will have mismatches in the early rounds.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 23, 2018 15:19:42 GMT
Which d4 beat a d1 team in the championship?
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 23, 2018 15:54:14 GMT
You can have very enjoyable games between teams of equal strength and panel quality.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 23, 2018 16:53:56 GMT
Which d4 beat a d1 team in the championship? Longford 1-12 Mayo 0-14 in 2010 in the first round of the qualifiers. MAYO: David Clarke Chris Barrett Ger Cafferkey Keith Higgins Donal Vaughan Trevor Howley Kevin McLoughlin Seamus O’Shea (0-1) Pat Harte Andy Moran (0-2, one a ‘45’) Aidan O’Shea Alan Freeman (0-5, one free) Conor Mortimer (0-2, one free) Barry Moran (0-1) Alan Dillon (0-3) Subs: Liam O’Malley for McLoughlin, Mark Ronaldson for Aidan O’Shea Tom Parsons for Howley Billy Joe Padden for Harte. John O'Mahony resigned straight away after the match. To put it more into context, in the league that year Longford lost to Carlow, Limerick, Wicklow, Clare and Leitrim. They drew with Waterford and beat Kilkenny and London.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 23, 2018 20:23:12 GMT
Strange result............
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