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Post by keane on Jun 29, 2018 21:29:28 GMT
Can't say I remember any of yours but thanks! Not difficult to find previous posts but happy to show you some time. ok
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Post by baurtregaum on Jun 29, 2018 21:29:31 GMT
Why was Dara Moynihan Black carded, Seemed very unhappy with decision Not sure but his marker should have followed him.... slapping him on the back and trash talking. Moynihan didn't seem to know why either and from watching on TV it is no clearer. Surely the linesman spotted the verbal he as getting as he was going off. Awful to see at any level.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 29, 2018 21:40:56 GMT
The cork no 11 would have benefited from some summary jurisdiction.
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Post by southward on Jun 29, 2018 22:03:56 GMT
Strangely disappointed coming away tonight, despite the result. We were flattered by the final margin and a top side would have beaten us. For a long time it looked like Cork would do just that. Extremely poor first 40 minutes characterised by sloppy passes and shots rushed when there was no need. The opening 10 minutes was reminiscent of Ennis last year; Cork were 3-0 up before we even got possession. Even though we were playing with the wind first half, our half forwards were all withdrawn, leaving an acre of space between defence and our target men; clearly it wasn't working. David Shaw's fine goal kept us in the game at halftime.
The changes, when they came, injected energy and turned the game. Eddie Horan goaled with his first touch. Graham O'Sullivan started to make some good forays into the Cork half; I think it was he who was brought down for the penalty. Cork's challenge began to fizzle out after that - they fought tenaciously tonight but lacked that bit of quality and belief.
Surprisingly poor crowd at ASP - just over 2300 officially, a good portion of those from over the border.
A wake-up call for sure after the previous two cakewalks; no harm maybe.
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Post by An Bradán on Jun 29, 2018 23:22:01 GMT
The cork no 11 would have benefited from some summary jurisdiction. Presuming that it was the linesman's call initially he failed badly in not calling the ref to the Cork no. 11. I hate that kind of smartass carry on. Should be stamped out at every opportunity.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 29, 2018 23:35:05 GMT
A 6 point win over Cork without Clifford and OShea would have seemed unlikely a few months ago.
Everyone loves Okunbor and he played very well tonight but I felt Fiacra Clifford was MOTM. He scored a beautiful point early on and any time he got possession he looked to play quick ball inside. One such ball was fetched by Shaw who supplied the expert finish. Clifford set up the second goal too for Horan.
If you were to pick the 10 best players on the pitch Cork would have 4 or 5 but when it came to panel strength, Kerry clearly had the edge.
Watching Cork in the senior and u20 finals kicking nearly every kickout long, and hoping for the best, you would have to wonder about them from a tactical nous point of view.
A good few Kerry players have more in them. Hopefully they can produce it in July
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 30, 2018 0:49:18 GMT
Strange game but a win is a win and I’m sure both players and management will have learned a lot tonight. Kerry look quite solid defensively and the half back line appears to be the strongest line in the side but I’ll be surprised if Kerry have enough good scoring forwards to win this All-Ireland. Bar Clifford, I don’t see much standing out.
Midfield were pretty anonymous and the Kerry kick outs were mixed at best.
Okunbor looks the real deal and definitely at least a couple others there for senior panel next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 6:29:12 GMT
Stefan Okunbor MOTM by Kerry GAA Twitter. He was outstanding. Great ability to anticipate play and snuff out danger. Safe out under a high ball and excellent distributor. A future full back at senior hopefully. A huge prospect. A mixed bag of a game last night. Kerry were better in terms of ability but made fierce hard work of it. Too many sloppy turnovers and miss placed passes. Cork were the hungrier team and looked the better prepared. Cork were very good but this is probably no surprise considering the quality of their minor teams over the past few years. David Shaw's goal was worth the entry fee alone. Pure class. Its great the Aussies didn't manage to lure him away. Another huge prospect.
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Post by southward on Jun 30, 2018 7:22:28 GMT
Stefan Okunbor MOTM by Kerry GAA Twitter. He was outstanding. Great ability to anticipate play and snuff out danger. Safe out under a high ball and excellent distributor. A future full back at senior hopefully. A huge prospect. A mixed bag of a game last night. Kerry were better in terms of ability but made fierce hard work of it. Too many sloppy turnovers and miss placed passes. Cork were the hungrier team and looked the better prepared. Cork were very good but this is probably no surprise considering the quality of their minor teams over the past few years. David Shaw's goal was worth the entry fee alone. Pure class. Its great the Aussies didn't manage to lure him away. Another huge prospect. Agree. Okunbar becoming a real crowd favourite too, always a buzz when he's on the go. Strong as an ox. Made one critical catch on the goal line when a volleyball score looked on; a less imposing man might have got shouldered over the line. Shaw a class act alright; not sure why he was taken off - knock maybe? Dan O'Brien has the cut of a future senior also - exudes confidence and authority.
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Post by veteran on Jun 30, 2018 8:59:39 GMT
Cork got three rapid fire points in as many minutes in the first half. That was impressive. More impressive perhaps was the fact for about the first four minutes the only Kerry player to touch the ball was the Kerry goalie. It was extraordinary that one team could emerge from the starting blocks at such break neck speed while the other team looked completely dozy. Last year in a bizarre interview before the Galway game, Jack said he had difficulty in getting the lads to focus. Could the same have happened this time after the facile victories in the earlier rounds?
Of course, the Kerry cause was not helped by the sterile, idiotic set up of the Kerry team in the first half. Playing with the breeze, it was decided to withdraw everybody bar two inside forwards, thereby conceding territory and possession to Cork. How original. That Kerry managed to be level with Cork at half time is chiefly due to some great defending. It is also due to a great goal by David Shaw, which kept us above water in that half. Fiachra Clifford, very good all evening, floated in a high one which David controlled and expertly finished. David was taken off in the second half. Why he was taken off before a couple of others is difficult to understand.
In spite of Cork's dominance in the first half it was Kerry who created the goal chances. Cormac Linnane was through with no one to beat but the goalie but opted to fist it over. Cormac had another shot at goal which was well saved. Talking about Cormac, I feel he would be better employed closer to goal as he seems to lack the pace and industry needed in the half forward line.
Dara Moynihan epitomised for me the lethargy of the team in that half. Dara usually fizzes but last night he was a lost soul without energy. Hamstrung by that redundant formation? Perversely, I was pleased for him when a got a black card, mysterious though it was. As he made his way off he was chased and harassed by his opponent. A black card offence? It is a regret of mine that Dara did not swing back an elbow to the pus of the offender. If the officials do not give you fair play you have got to get it yourself. That is the way Tom long would have dealt with it in another era!
On the resumption, Kerry had a more orthodox line up and were far more aggressive and purposeful and successful as the final score line will testify. Why could we not have had that line up for the first half? Too obvious? Too simple? Our midfielders came more into, although Diarmuid O'Connor was a disappointment all through, our defence got more and more on top, marshalled by new pin up boy Stefan, the brilliant Daniel O'Brien and an ever improving Graham O'Sullivan, while up front we had more bodies to punish the Cork defence. That attack was greatly augmented by the contribution of subs Eddie Horan, scorer of a fine goal created by the tireless Fiachra Clifford, and Sean O'Leary with his boundless injury. The penalty, for a foul on Donal O'Sullivan?, was the final sickener for Cork. The black card for that foul appeared to be harsh.
Kerry were deserving winners but were a little flattered by the margin. Each team got fourteen scores but, stating the obvious, the goals were crucial. In fairness to Kerry they did not give Cork a sniff of a goal chance.
In spite of the victory, I felt a little hollow leaving Tralee. I felt a greater sense of satisfaction after our minor and junior victories over Cork even though both have given a different result. Why did I experience this lack of elation? On reflection, I think it may have been due to the fact that the minors and juniors played to the limit of their potential whereas due to a confluence of circumstances the u20s gave me this feeling of emptiness. Those circumstances- poor tactics in the first half, over confidence, lack of focus. All these factors point towards management. Perhaps, I am being a little harsh. Of course , maybe some of our players are not as good as they are rated. The semifinal will enlighten us further.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 30, 2018 9:41:25 GMT
The lethargy of Kerry's display in the first half especially may have been down to not coming to terms with the conditions. Added to a strange tactical set up. We were lucky to be level at half time.
On Dara Moynihans black card, I think it might have been for a third man tackle but it looked harsh. Maybe the linesman just wanted to make sure he was on TV.
Everyone will know that there is still plenty to work on and maybe that's no harm.
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 30, 2018 10:04:29 GMT
Veteran - Why would you be regretting that a 19/20 year old lad didn’t get an elbow to the ‘pus’? Surely kudos to Dara Moynihan for not reacting. See enough gutter in the senior games without it coming in at this level too.
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Post by mandad on Jun 30, 2018 10:04:35 GMT
Others have mentioned it already – there was something about that win that left me feeling unfulfilled. After about 10 minutes I was thinking to myself that we were back in Ennis 2017. I am not being disrespectful to a decent Cork side but we played into their hands. I can’t recall that we picked up any broken ball around the middle. The tactical set up of the Kerry side was puzzling in the extreme, but when we took the game to Cork we looked a different team and the strength off the bench made the difference.
Those two one-sided games were probably more of a hindrance than a help. We learned nothing from them and the selectors now have to re-assess their options. A few lads may well have played themselves onto the team.
My fear is that this squad of players are not being given the guidance that they need and that this project could come unstuck against a properly prepared team. I say that having experienced firsthand the debacle in Ennis last year. Whether they can go all the way or not there are several young men on that panel that are well equipped to develop to senior standard.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 30, 2018 10:50:29 GMT
He was outstanding. Great ability to anticipate play and snuff out danger. Safe out under a high ball and excellent distributor. A future full back at senior hopefully. A huge prospect. A mixed bag of a game last night. Kerry were better in terms of ability but made fierce hard work of it. Too many sloppy turnovers and miss placed passes. Cork were the hungrier team and looked the better prepared. Cork were very good but this is probably no surprise considering the quality of their minor teams over the past few years. David Shaw's goal was worth the entry fee alone. Pure class. Its great the Aussies didn't manage to lure him away. Another huge prospect. Agree. Okunbar becoming a real crowd favourite too, always a buzz when he's on the go. Strong as an ox. Made one critical catch on the goal line when a volleyball score looked on; a less imposing man might have got shouldered over the line. Shaw a class act alright; not sure why he was taken off - knock maybe? Dan O'Brien has the cut of a future senior also - exudes confidence and authority. Id say the conditions had a lot to do with the subs it was as hot as hell! Gas that the full back is the hero of this team. Its actually perfect looking to the future Okunbar looks the real deal at 3 two wing backs excellent i thought O'Sullivan at 6 was class aswell bodes well
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 30, 2018 11:21:24 GMT
I think that this age group is probably the most difficult to manage as Jack found out last year with this year looking no different. The problem seems to be one of ego and how to manage guys who are used to winning/success. All of these guys, with the exception of the keeper have All Ireland minor medals, some double winning All Ireland winners when you add in the Hogan cups - it must be challenging to keep them grounded & indeed focused. Success can breed success but it can also bring an arrogance that sometimes needs to be curtailed - given Jack’s experience as a bainisteoir and teacher , he would seem well equipped to deal with the challenges he is encountering.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 30, 2018 11:40:07 GMT
Has Donal oSullivan a minor medal?
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 30, 2018 11:46:30 GMT
Has Donal oSullivan a minor medal? Yea, from last year.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 30, 2018 11:59:40 GMT
Thanks.. he was very good for u17s too last year. The DC show in 2017 obliterages everything else from the memory!
Anyone think Barry oMahony should be considered for midfield. While Keane of Cork is a fine player, last nights midfield performance will hardly do against the leinster champs.
I think jack doesnt want any lad playing both codes though.
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Post by delorean on Jun 30, 2018 12:04:21 GMT
Thanks.. he was very good for u17s too last year. The DC show in 2017 obliterages everything else from the memory! Anyone think Barry oMahony should be considered for midfield. While Keane of Cork is a fine player, last nights midfield performance will hardly do against the leinster champs. I think jack doesnt want any lad playing both codes though. Keane of Cork spent the majority of the night in full forward, Mick. The amount of ridiculous high balls we played into him in the first half contributed heavily to our downfall I think. Bizarre tactic and worse still that they persevered with it for so long when it was killing us.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 30, 2018 12:18:57 GMT
Thanks.. he was very good for u17s too last year. The DC show in 2017 obliterages everything else from the memory! Anyone think Barry oMahony should be considered for midfield. While Keane of Cork is a fine player, last nights midfield performance will hardly do against the leinster champs. I think jack doesnt want any lad playing both codes though. Jack persevered long enough with Brandon Barrett who was probably playing more hurling than football especially in 2017!
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 30, 2018 12:51:13 GMT
Congratulations to the Kerry Under 20s, Jack O'Connor and his management team on winning the Under 20 Munster Championship 2018. We must enjoy these days and take nothing for granted! Press on now boys and keep the eye on the road. Come on the Kingdom!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 30, 2018 13:25:36 GMT
Thanks.. he was very good for u17s too last year. The DC show in 2017 obliterages everything else from the memory! Anyone think Barry oMahony should be considered for midfield. While Keane of Cork is a fine player, last nights midfield performance will hardly do against the leinster champs. I think jack doesnt want any lad playing both codes though. Jack persevered long enough with Brandon Barrett who was probably playing more hurling than football especially in 2017! Brandon didnt play hurling in 2017 for kerry while with the u21 kerry footballers. Read the 2017 hurling thread for kerry teamsheets at thag time. He wasnt allowed play hurling for his club while a kerry minor to my knowledge. But kerrys hurling season is over now. Different circumstances in 2018 with the u21 football in june and july and no kerry hurling games
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Post by dc84 on Jun 30, 2018 13:33:34 GMT
Will the u20s be played in croke park as part of two double headers i wonder ? On for the same weekend as the s8s croke park games? Be against leinster winners kildare/meath/dublin. If we are playing dublin it would be unfair if either team got to play before their senior team.
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Post by veteran on Jun 30, 2018 16:42:53 GMT
Veteran - Why would you be regretting that a 19/20 year old lad didn’t get an elbow to the ‘pus’? Surely kudos to Dara Moynihan for not reacting. See enough gutter in the senior games without it coming in at this level too. Derry4Sam, I acknowledge the point you make but--- The incident last night concerned a black card issued to Dara Moynihan. Nobody in my vicinity had a clue as why it was issued. Somebody suggested that perhaps the linesman on our side, the Terrace side, had drawn the referee's attention to some off the ball incident. Maybe that was the case and maybe the black card was warranted. However, the merit or otherwise of the black card is not the issue here. Now it was obvious that Dara had no idea why he was black carded. He would react like that you might say but still he continued to be puzzled in the dugout, which was near me, long after the dust had settled. In any case ,irrespective of the legitimacy of the black card, Dara came off upset and bewildered. And then something happened that I have never seen happen in any grade before. As Dara was walking forlorn to the sideline he was followed by a Cork player who kept tapping him on the head/shoulder area and was clearly verbalising something as well until Dara reached the sideline, more or less. Why would a 19/20 year old do that to another 19/20 year old in his dark moment? What sanction should be applied? There is no doubt the linesman saw this despicable display of shoddy behaviour from a 19/20 year old starting out on his football career but he choose to ignore it. Isn't that what happens all too often in this increasingly lawless game of football. Is it appropriate that it is ignored and thereby give a signal to this young Cork player and indeed other young players that this behaviour is acceptable and can be repeated with impunity. What can be done then to eradicate this carry on if the officials regard it as part of the game? I accept that Dara's reaction is the noble reaction and the civilised reaction but , in general, is that a winning reaction in a game where officials are prepared to turn a blind eye to so much skullduggery in our game. I was appalled by the behaviour of the young Cork man and until such time as Officialdom are prepared to stamp it out I feel a backward slap of the elbow into the pus might just manners on him and on anybody else who feels like emulating him in the future. As I said, I acknowledge your point but ---.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2018 18:48:10 GMT
The appropriate sanction for the behaviour described by veteran is a carta dubh.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 30, 2018 21:20:20 GMT
Absolutely agree it was fairly low by the cork no 11, he literally followed him for 30 yards, poking him in the back fair play to Dara dispite being so upset he didnt react which was to his credit.black card all day
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 30, 2018 21:29:24 GMT
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Post by glengael on Jul 1, 2018 15:29:54 GMT
The cork no 11 would have benefited from some summary jurisdiction. Anyone wondering where the Cork no.11 may gave got the general idea that this carry-on is fine need look no further than the Cork hurling Maor Uisce who saw fit to do some up close and person roaring at the linesman over a line ball decision towards the end of today's match. One of his colleagues eventually 'guided' him away but it was ugly and showed zero respect.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 1, 2018 16:16:09 GMT
The cork no 11 would have benefited from some summary jurisdiction. Anyone wondering where the Cork no.11 may gave got the general idea that this carry-on is fine need look no further than the Cork hurling Maor Uisce who saw fit to do some up close and person roaring at the linesman over a line ball decision towards the end of today's match. One of his colleagues eventually 'guided' him away but it was ugly and showed zero respect. our own major uisce was hardly any better against Mayo last year. Thankfully it was changed to Maurice this year.
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Post by southward on Jul 1, 2018 16:28:05 GMT
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