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Post by onlykerry on Feb 27, 2018 10:59:02 GMT
I think it is just the two boys and Gavin White as far as i know. The senior team must take precedence surely we woont be going far without our 2 top scorers thus far. I think Gavin White is a similar age to Jason Foley - both u21 but not u20 for this year - part of the "lost" class due to age change. Only O Se and Clifford are u20 from current extended senior panel.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 27, 2018 11:08:46 GMT
likely team lads assuming Clifford and Sean O'Shea with the seniors ?? na crocaigh usually a good man to get the ball rolling with teams Not sure who will be in goals. Backs: David Naughton, Niall Collins, Mike Potts, Graham Sullivan, Dan O Brien, Michael Foley Midfield: Diarmuid O Connor, Mike Breen Forwards: Dara Moynihan, Mark Ryan, David Shaw, Brian Friel, Bryan Sweeney, Fiachra Clifford.
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Post by chancer on Mar 5, 2018 18:30:00 GMT
Will the U-20 panel members be available for their clubs for the first round of County league?
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Post by buck02 on Mar 5, 2018 18:50:41 GMT
Will the U-20 panel members be available for their clubs for the first round of County league? Yes, the U20 championship doesnt start til June so players are available for the county league games in March and club championship games in April/early May.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 5, 2018 19:07:56 GMT
likely team lads assuming Clifford and Sean O'Shea with the seniors ?? na crocaigh usually a good man to get the ball rolling with teams Not sure who will be in goals. Backs: David Naughton, Niall Collins, Mike Potts, Graham Sullivan, Dan O Brien, Michael Foley Midfield: Diarmuid O Connor, Mike Breen Forwards: Dara Moynihan, Mark Ryan, David Shaw, Brian Friel, Bryan Sweeney, Fiachra Clifford. Keeper likely to be Devidas Uosis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 2:50:20 GMT
1 Cormac Leane 2 David Naughton 3 Chris O'Donoghue 4 Mike Breen 5 Mike Potts 6 Dan O'Brien 7 Mike Foley 8 Diarmuid O'Connor 9 Mark Ryan 10 Barry O'Mahony 11 Brian Friel 12 Graham O'Sullivan 13 Dara Moynihan 14 Bryan Sweeney 15 David Shaw
16 Billy Courtney 17 Cormac Linnane 18 Niall Collins 19 Donnacha O'Sullivan 20 Fiachra Clifford 21 Caolim Teahan 22 Cian Gammell 23 Ferdia O'Brien 24 Niall O'Donoghue 25 Sean O'Leary 26 Jack Griffin
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 6, 2018 7:54:13 GMT
Nacrocaigh is that a team for a challenge game or is it your opinion of what the team will be.
If it is for a game it shows Jack's picture how fellas are progressing in training.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 6, 2018 8:51:34 GMT
What is coming through in goalkeeping terms in Kerry if as it seems Shane Ryan is not going to be an option?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 12:43:11 GMT
Its just my opinion. Cormac Leane is a good keeper. I'm not sure if hes in training with them but we don't have a lot of choices.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 6, 2018 13:49:16 GMT
Its just my opinion. Cormac Leane is a good keeper. I'm not sure if hes in training with them but we don't have a lot of choices. My understanding is that Billy Courtney & Deividas Uosis are the only keepers in training.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 6, 2018 18:12:51 GMT
Its just my opinion. Cormac Leane is a good keeper. I'm not sure if hes in training with them but we don't have a lot of choices. My understanding is that Billy Courtney & Deividas Uosis are the only keepers in training. Not correct - Conor Hurley (IT Tralee and Mitchels) is also in training at present (for keeper)I hear. Billy not currently with the panel due to injury possibly. Others mentioned by Crocaigh are not part of training panel either as I hear it.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 7, 2018 9:31:05 GMT
Not sure who will be in goals. Backs: David Naughton, Niall Collins, Mike Potts, Graham Sullivan, Dan O Brien, Michael Foley Midfield: Diarmuid O Connor, Mike Breen Forwards: Dara Moynihan, Mark Ryan, David Shaw, Brian Friel, Bryan Sweeney, Fiachra Clifford. Keeper likely to be Devidas Uosis. We probably need to start preparing the next Kerry senior keeper from here for the current era in the game.
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Post by kerrygold on May 3, 2018 7:46:02 GMT
How is this team shaping up. Does anyone know if Sean O'Sean and David Cifford are in with them?
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Post by greengold35 on May 3, 2018 9:15:28 GMT
How is this team shaping up. Does anyone know if Sean O'Sean and David Cifford are in with them? Deividas Uosis likely keeper with Stefan Okunbar full back; half backs from Mitch Foley, Dan O’Brien, Mike Potts, Diarmuid O’Connor & Mark Ryan midfield, Brian Friel, David Shaw, Donal O’Sullivan, Dara Moynihan. No info on Sean O’Shea or David Clifford!
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Post by kerrygold on May 3, 2018 10:23:15 GMT
There is a lot to be said for leaving them with the u20s until that championship concludes for Kerry.
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Post by givehimaball on May 3, 2018 15:38:04 GMT
There is a lot to be said for leaving them with the u20s until that championship concludes for Kerry. The thing is that both of them were among Kerry's strongest/most consistent performers in the league. I'm not sure what is the best approach and I'm glad I'm not the one deciding.
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Post by kerrygold on May 3, 2018 15:42:15 GMT
There is a lot to be said for leaving them with the u20s until that championship concludes for Kerry. The thing is that both of them were among Kerry's strongest/most consistent performers in the league. I'm not sure what is the best approach and I'm glad I'm not the one deciding. Hard to know, Kerry have enough players to get to the super eights without them. Con O'Callaghan stepped in very fresh last summer after the u21 championship.
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Post by givehimaball on May 3, 2018 15:59:18 GMT
Just looking at the dates - if they skipped the senior game versus Clare/Limerick game on the 3rd of June they could play for the U20s against Limerick on the 15th and Waterford on the 22nd of June.
On a related note I did hear that the Waterford U20 football management team has resigned or threatened to resign in the last few days because of lack of support from the Waterford county board so things aren't going well there.
If they missed the game versus Clare/Limerick game on the 3rd of June and the possible Munster final on the 23rd for the seniors, they could play all the Munster championship.
The All-Ireland semi-final for the U20s and the first round group matches for the winner of the Munster championship are both scheduled for the weekend of July 14/15, which means that if they missed the games versus Clare/Limerick and the Munster final against Tipp/Cork/Waterford for the seniors, they could potentially play in the Munster championship and in the All-Ireland U20 semi-final depending on how the fixtures fell out.
Things become more complicated still if Kerry don't take the direct route to the Super 8.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 20:12:21 GMT
I think ye are overthinking this. If the lads play with the u20s and they go a long way in the competition there is no way they play again with Kerry seniors this season. O shea and Clifford are not just panel members for the seniors, they are likely starters.
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Post by buck02 on May 4, 2018 7:54:52 GMT
My information is that the U20 management and panel are preparing on the basis that Sean O'Shea and David Clifford wont be playing with them.
I dont suppose there is any word on the extent of O'Shea's injury. Worrying that he played no part in the club championship.
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Post by keane on May 4, 2018 10:47:28 GMT
It would be absolutely deranged to send O'Shea and Clifford off to play u20 for months. There's a senior All Ireland Championship up for grabs this year in case anyone wasn't aware.
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Post by kerrygold on May 4, 2018 10:47:56 GMT
This takes away from the competition, one that excludes the best players in the grade. So the best young players now play NFL and senior championship rather than the old u21 grade. If this was designed to protect the best young players from over exposure it is not working..........................
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Post by keane on May 4, 2018 10:56:06 GMT
This takes away from the competition, one that excludes the best players in the grade. So the best young players now play NFL and senior championship rather than the old u21 grade. If this was designed to protect the best young players from over exposure it is not working.......................... What do you mean by 'over exposure'? If we were in a world where the rule never changed Clifford and O'Shea would be playing X games for the seniors this year plus Y games for the U-21s. They will undoubtedly end up playing fewer games under the new rules because they can't play both at the same time.
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Post by kerrygold on May 4, 2018 11:00:59 GMT
This takes away from the competition, one that excludes the best players in the grade. So the best young players now play NFL and senior championship rather than the old u21 grade. If this was designed to protect the best young players from over exposure it is not working.......................... What do you mean by 'over exposure'? If we were in a world where the rule never changed Clifford and O'Shea would be playing X games for the seniors this year plus Y games for the U-21s. They will undoubtedly end up playing fewer games under the new rules because they can't play both at the same time. Under the old system they would have played collages and u21 this year and probably not senior in 2018. Now they are playing college, NFL and senior championship. Definitely being exposed to the game at a higher level and intensity at a younger age. Remember the fiasco of NFL v Sigerson conflict earlier in the year. Sean O'Shea is still injured from his last NFL outing. He was injured twice in the NFL this spring.
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Post by keane on May 4, 2018 11:21:21 GMT
What do you mean by 'over exposure'? If we were in a world where the rule never changed Clifford and O'Shea would be playing X games for the seniors this year plus Y games for the U-21s. They will undoubtedly end up playing fewer games under the new rules because they can't play both at the same time. Under the old system they would have played collages and u21 this year and probably not senior in 2018. Now they are playing college, NFL and senior championship. Definitely being exposed to the game at a higher level and intensity at a younger age. Remember the fiasco of NFL v Sigerson conflict earlier in the year. Sean O'Shea is still injured from his last NFL outing. He was injured twice in the NFL this spring. Why in the world would U20 vs U21 make a difference as to whether they would play senior in 2018?
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Post by dc84 on May 4, 2018 11:23:27 GMT
I suppose it comes down to what you think the underage grades are for.a stepping stone to seniors or a very worthwhile competition in its own right i think the 2 boys should play senior myself they are 22 of the top 3 forwards we have imo.it might even benefit some of the lads on the 20s team as with the two boys not there, the onus would be on them to take more of a leadership role.
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Post by kerrygold on May 4, 2018 12:07:11 GMT
Under the old system they would have played collages and u21 this year and probably not senior in 2018. Now they are playing college, NFL and senior championship. Definitely being exposed to the game at a higher level and intensity at a younger age. Remember the fiasco of NFL v Sigerson conflict earlier in the year. Sean O'Shea is still injured from his last NFL outing. He was injured twice in the NFL this spring. Why in the world would U20 vs U21 make a difference as to whether they would play senior in 2018? How many u21s have played for Kerry in the last 5 years? You think the two players would have been pulled from the old u21 format to play NFL in 2018?
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Post by keane on May 4, 2018 13:40:41 GMT
Why in the world would U20 vs U21 make a difference as to whether they would play senior in 2018? How many u21s have played for Kerry in the last 5 years? You think the two players would have been pulled from the old u21 format to play NFL in 2018? Name some U21s in the last five years that were good enough to play senior at the time? I think it's absolute nonsense to suggest that these two lads are only playing senior because the U21 competition has changed to U20. I mean I can't even understand what the logic is meant to be? Even if I ended up being convinced that some cause and effect exists that currently escapes me the fact remains that the Kerry senior panel will be poorer with Clifford and O'Shea on it this year, so they should be on it this year.
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Post by Mickmack on May 4, 2018 14:02:34 GMT
I wonder what Sean OShea and David Clifford answer if they were asked how high they would regard an U20 all Ireland medal.
Like the Sigerson, you dont get too many chances to win one.
I think i am right in saying that in 2004, Kerry lost by a point to Cork in the u21 Munster final and Colm Cooper was pulled as Kerry were targeting Sam Maguire which of course they won. Winning it in 2004 was very important after the fiascos in 2001, 2002 and 2003.
So as a selfish Kerry supporter I would prefer to see Kerry win Sam Maguire in 2018 than the u20 all Ireland. Its more important now after 2015, 2016 and 2017 like it was in 2004.
But I would like to think that the two players have their say and that their preferences are taken into account.
Kerrygold seems to imply that they could play u20 till the competition ends and then transfer into the senior campaign.
Given that no team in Munster is unlikely to bother Kerry that much, I dont see why the two lads couldnt be held back to play u20 and then unleash them into the latter stages of the super 8s.
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Post by kot on May 8, 2018 17:18:45 GMT
I don't think thats true, if you play U20 you cannot play senior in the same year? Or if you have have played senior already you can't play U20?
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