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Post by pillar on Oct 18, 2017 21:11:50 GMT
Confirmed tonight..Eamonn Fitz to oversee Kerry team till 2020
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Post by Hicser on Oct 18, 2017 22:08:32 GMT
Nuts, I can’t fathom it,
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Post by yellowbelly on Oct 18, 2017 23:22:46 GMT
Didn't go as straightforward as might be portrayed. Lot of grumblings by club delegates at the appointment.
And it was not due to any failures at Inter County level, but at the abject treatment of clubs with regards to their County players.
But it was pushed through without a vote by the chairman
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Post by foggylol24 on Oct 18, 2017 23:38:37 GMT
Personally I think its the right call and he wont be there three years if he doesn't do well, I can't understand the idea of a contract in the GAA, silly PR stuff really.
In relation to the treatment of clubs that lies with the County board, they make the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 2:13:00 GMT
A Disgrace total nuts. He should have gone after 2016. After that we don't deserve to win anything. A few Counties will be delighted with that call. A few Counties would never let that happen in their County either. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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Post by pillar on Oct 19, 2017 7:18:05 GMT
Didn't go as straightforward as might be portrayed. Lot of grumblings by club delegates at the appointment. And it was not due to any failures at Inter County level, but at the abject treatment of clubs with regards to their County players. But it was pushed through without a vote by the chairman Surely the delegates should have pushed for a vote so? |
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 19, 2017 7:19:17 GMT
I agree with nacrocaigh - Jim Gavin will have a wry smile this morning.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 19, 2017 8:06:21 GMT
I'm surprised to be honest and a littke bit disappointed- if he doesnt show real signs of progress this year then he should go
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 19, 2017 8:15:52 GMT
Tomas O Se interviewed on morning sports news and he said the extra two years makes little difference other that an being a show of support by the county board. He believes EF will make up his own mind at the conclusion of championship 2018 whether to continue or not. Tomas adamant that as things stand we are not challengers for Sam in 2018 but this could change.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 19, 2017 8:19:31 GMT
Didn't go as straightforward as might be portrayed. Lot of grumblings by club delegates at the appointment. And it was not due to any failures at Inter County level, but at the abject treatment of clubs with regards to their County players. But it was pushed through without a vote by the chairman Surely the delegates should have pushed for a vote so? Delegates are abdicating their responsibility if they do not speak up and resolve the club disharmony over player availability - that is their primary function afterall. They represent the clubs and should be the ultimate decision makers in the county - cannot understand how the county board works if the executive is not answerable to the delegates/clubs. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 19, 2017 8:25:38 GMT
Tomas O Se interviewed on morning sports news and he said the extra two years makes little difference other that an being a show of support by the county board. He believes EF will make up his own mind at the conclusion of championship 2018 whether to continue or not. Tomas adamant that as things stand we are not challengers for Sam in 2018 but this could change. While I agree that we probably arent serious challengers- this is due to the fact that we have made little or no progress under Fitz in the last 3 years |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 19, 2017 9:11:42 GMT
Kerry stagnated in 2017 after a bright conclusion to a mixed league campaign, there has to be real change in 2018 both on the line and with the influx of young players.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Oct 19, 2017 11:42:02 GMT
Those who are advocating for more younger blood on the team and panel - including myself - should welcome the extra 2 years. It allows for a bit of long term thinking. If it was just the one extra year then Fitzmaurice would be going all out for an all Ireland in2018 and would probably revert to type and play the tried and trusted lieutenants. Now he can work towards building a squad for the longer term and aim to be winning in , perhaps, 2019 or 2020. There will be some very difficult conversations ahead this winter for him telling lads that have soldiered for so long in the green and gold that there isn’t a squad place for them in the coming year.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 19, 2017 19:14:12 GMT
I heard a bit of the interview with Tim Murphy on Radio Kerry this morning.
He was keen to stress than they want to put in place S&C and medical personnel and programmes for players no matter who the management or the officers are.
He said that clubs will have access to players for club/county championships during April and May.
With the Munster semi final on in early June and Munster final in Mid June, this would mean the Kerry senior management would have their players maybe for only 4 weeks before the start of the championship, having been with their clubs for the 6 weeks between that and the end of the league.
There was no mention of new backroom staff in the bit I heard.
I think its not only some of the players who will need to be given difficult news over the next few weeks.
Given the abysmal defensive play we saw in the two semi finals, the first man I would bring in to the backroom team is Tommy Griffin.
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Post by clarinman on Oct 19, 2017 20:26:08 GMT
I heard a bit of the interview with Tim Murphy on Radio Kerry this morning. He was keen to stress than they want to put in place S&C and medical personnel and programmes for players no matter who the management or the officers are. He said that clubs will have access to players for club/county championships during April and May. With the Munster semi final on in early June and Munster final in Mid June, this would mean the Kerry senior management would have their players maybe for only 4 weeks before the start of the championship, having been with their clubs for the 6 weeks between that and the end of the league. There was no mention of new backroom staff in the bit I heard. I think its not only some of the players who will need to be given difficult news over the next few weeks. Given the abysmal defensive play we saw in the two semi finals, the first man I would bring in to the backroom team is Tommy Griffin. Eamonn was the man coaching our backs. Do you think he will hand that job over to someone else? |
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 19, 2017 21:02:06 GMT
Given the abysmal defensive play we saw in the two semi finals, the first man I would bring in to the backroom team is Tommy Griffin. Eamonn was the man coaching our backs. Do you think he will hand that job over to someone else? That is amazing because I cannot remember seeing worse performances by a Kerry defence. If his pride is more important than rectifying that situation we are in an even worse situation than i thought. |
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 19, 2017 21:05:23 GMT
It all seems to be very well planned and co-ordinated. U17 will have PK for next two years, JOC was given two years with the U20's and now EF is in situ for the next three years.
This hints of a master plan somewhere or am I clutching at straws of hope.
In addition the development squads have delivered phase 1 - minor success and Currans is nearing completion.
Everything is falling Into place - next world domination!!! (Or at least a tilt at a few senior AI's. )
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 19, 2017 21:25:58 GMT
Eamonn was the man coaching our backs. Do you think he will hand that job over to someone else? That is amazing because I cannot remember seeing worse performances by a Kerry defence. If his pride is more important than rectifying that situation we are in an even worse situation than i thought. The three selectors as former forwards are unlikely to have been the defensive coaches! |
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Post by mushroom on Oct 19, 2017 21:42:39 GMT
I work for a big organisation here in Tralee and get around the county a lot and i can honestly say that i haven't met 1 person either at work or on my travels that said that E. Fitzmaurice should stay on for 1 year not to mind 3 years.
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Post by fitz on Oct 19, 2017 22:13:27 GMT
I think the disappointment views are understandable and I agree with much of the criticism levelled at management, it is definitely warranted. I really don't know where it went wrong this year as in causes, but the zenith of the league final fell away quickly versus Clare in Championship and while there were some highlights versus Cork, the goal chance coughing also grew legs and all three of our Croke Park shows were pretty dismal. Player performances across the squad dipped and plummeted (Enright)for some players, and management performance hit basement in Mayo replay. Buck stops with Fitzmaurice there. We set up in fear formation for replay. Management confidence couldn't have been in a good place. Was there disharmony or a major malaise in relationships during this time? I may well be clutching at straws but once Shanahan left that full back line, the arse fell out of it. I like Fitzmaurice though and maybe I need a more ruthless attitude but hope he starts finding the right formulas. It is the visible lack of alteration in playing shape and personnel and then not predicting where changes will need to be made in real game time that I think provides enough evidence that he should go, but personally I want him to have another go...
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Post by Hicser on Oct 19, 2017 22:43:27 GMT
I agree with all that is been said on this thread, I like EF and appreciate him as a fine player. 2014 was unexpected but since then we have failed on the line at the crunch stage especially in 2015 & 2017. This year I posted on the Saturday night of the replay that we were doomed based off the supposed team to start the final. I was told to trust in EF, not to question, he knows more about setting up a team then I will ever know!
Well, the team selection got worse on Sunday. In my simple opinion, I would have 2 changes, Barry in midfield and Darren in half forward line. Then worked on the defensive frailties before the replay. I think we would have won the replay with this more positive approach,
Alas what another disappointment, By 2020 we could be looking to stop a 6 in a row, OMG,
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Post by Derek on Oct 20, 2017 7:03:36 GMT
A Disgrace total nuts. He should have gone after 2016. After that we don't deserve to win anything. A few Counties will be delighted with that call. A few Counties would never let that happen in their County either. They should be ashamed of themselves. A disgrace? He led Kerry to a National League title and a Munster Championship that's 2 of the 3 tournaments they entered. Granted the replay was a real let down but a little perspective wouldn't go astray. We simply don't have the same caliber of player that Dublin have at the moment and it will take time to put together a team from the minor teams of the past 4 years. Who would your alternative management team be if your so against the current setup? |
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 20, 2017 7:24:07 GMT
A Disgrace total nuts. He should have gone after 2016. After that we don't deserve to win anything. A few Counties will be delighted with that call. A few Counties would never let that happen in their County either. They should be ashamed of themselves. A disgrace? He led Kerry to a National League title and a Munster Championship that's 2 of the 3 tournaments they entered. Granted the replay was a real let down but a little perspective wouldn't go astray. We simply don't have the same caliber of player that Dublin have at the moment and it will take time to put together a team from the minor teams of the past 4 years. Who would your alternative management team be if your so against the current setup?There are several combinations. One would be a manager that plays the Kerry way - Peter Keane. Tommy Griffin comes with him, Maurice Fitzgerald stays and bring back Diarmuid Murphy. Also a new physical trainers needed. |
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Post by pillar on Oct 20, 2017 7:41:20 GMT
A disgrace? He led Kerry to a National League title and a Munster Championship that's 2 of the 3 tournaments they entered. Granted the replay was a real let down but a little perspective wouldn't go astray. We simply don't have the same caliber of player that Dublin have at the moment and it will take time to put together a team from the minor teams of the past 4 years. Who would your alternative management team be if your so against the current setup?There are several combinations. One would be a manager that plays the Kerry way - Peter Keane. Tommy Griffin comes with him, Maurice Fitzgerald stays and bring back Diarmuid Murphy. Also a new physical trainers needed. Tis clear to me that the senior team needs a defined plan for the next 3 years.I would say to EF that by your last game in 2020 there should be at least 8/10 changes to the starting 15 of 2017.Also a clear defined system or systems of play must be established (not rolling it our night before).The fact we hadn't a S and C plan all along is worrying to say the least.I'd be happy for EF to stay as long as he shakes things up a lot.And that starts with a few tough phone calls to players who are in a comfort zone. |
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Oct 20, 2017 8:48:50 GMT
I think Eamon got it very wrong in the replay against Mayo, it was the first time I can remember a kerry team being selected out of fear of the opposition.
However, the changes and switches that he made during the first game rescued the day. I haven't seen anyone mention that here. I haven't seen or heard anyone mention How, tactically, he got it spot on against Dublin last year, we just didn't have the panel to get over the line.
Eamon has work to do, like us all he's not perfect. However, he has shown over the last few years that he has the ability and I trust him and his management team to bring the kerry team forward again, next year. I think he's the best man for the job at the moment.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 20, 2017 9:57:28 GMT
As an outsider you could argue EF has protected the younger generation of talent from facing bad beatings at the hands/feet of the other top teams of the last two to five years. Is that the best way to go? Time will tell. He has kept Kerry very competitive since 2012/13 despite an ageing and dwindling group of great players, and has grafted through some younger players gradually who now have great experience and form the backbone of the next team.
If I was EF that's the vision I would have had.
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Post by Derek on Oct 20, 2017 10:40:32 GMT
A disgrace? He led Kerry to a National League title and a Munster Championship that's 2 of the 3 tournaments they entered. Granted the replay was a real let down but a little perspective wouldn't go astray. We simply don't have the same caliber of player that Dublin have at the moment and it will take time to put together a team from the minor teams of the past 4 years. Who would your alternative management team be if your so against the current setup?There are several combinations. One would be a manager that plays the Kerry way - Peter Keane. Tommy Griffin comes with him, Maurice Fitzgerald stays and bring back Diarmuid Murphy. Also a new physical trainers needed. I agree with you on the Physical Trainers, But the Kerry way? You think if we went 15 on 15 against Dublin with the current crop of players in an All Ireland Final or Semi final that we'd win the game? Peter Keane is doing a great job with the Minors so I don't see that changing, I think we need to give Eamonn another 1 to 2 years to bring in some more new faces. Look at the panel he inherited and the caliber of player he's had to deal with losing from the panel since he took over. Comparing he's record to that of the mangers from the 00's isn't fair given how many of the current crop of players would make that team? Think Eamonn is getting a lot of flak when the truth of the matter may be closer to we don't have players right now. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 20, 2017 11:21:47 GMT
Saying we don't have the players to is lazy analysis. Kerry had a resurgent Mayo beaten in the drawn game only to mismanage the last minute of added time. Where's the new thinking on the line, Sheehy, Fitzgerald, Hasset? None have a track record in top level management and all will have to step to plate this year. Kerry have the players to go toe to toe with Dubs and Mayo but didn't look physically or tactically prepared for the replayed semi final this year. That is unacceptable if so. I'm tired of listening to the lazy sentiment creeping in that we don't have the players. Give that Kerry panel to a younger Micko Dwyer and you'll see quickly enough if they have the players or not.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 20, 2017 11:30:49 GMT
Saying we don't have the players to is lazy analysis. Kerry had a resurgent Mayo beaten in the drawn game only to mismanage the last minute of added time. Where's the new thinking on the line, Sheehy, Fitzgerald, Hasset? None have a track record in top level management and all will have to step to plate this year. Kerry have the players to go toe to toe with Dubs and Mayo but didn't look physically or tactically prepared for the replayed semi final this year. That is unacceptable if so. I'm tired of listening to the lazy sentiment creeping in that we don't have the players. Give that Kerry panel to a younger Micko Dwyer and you'll see quickly enough if they have the players or not. Well said. We had Tomás Ó Sé yesterday again peddling this notion. Also the calibre of player has nothing to do with the awful decisions made by Fitmaurice in 2015, 2016 and 2017. |
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Post by keane on Oct 20, 2017 11:47:45 GMT
Players are plenty good enough to beat Mayo, but didn't look well trained this year. We played useless in both games yet should have won the first day. Mayo seem to be within a whisker of Dublin every time they play, we beat and drew with them in the league.
They are not some godlike unstoppable force, despite being an excellent team.
We need to uncover a couple of sticky corner backs and add some pace to the half forward line, after that if our physical preparation is up to scratch we should be well able to compete.
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