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Post by kerrygold on Feb 14, 2018 9:15:38 GMT
When was the last time a match involving Kerry was cancelled or postponed? I personally can’t recall any other match I planned to attend being called off at the last minute. So it’s a rare event but lessons should still be learned and the main one is that 11am is far too late to make such a decision. Arguably 9am was also too late. There are very good Met Office services on both sides of the border which would have in all probability advised postponement the night before or earlier. It shouldn't be about playability of the pitch alone. I don't remember a Kerry game called off before either.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 14, 2018 9:38:52 GMT
We're just after having a sustained pop at some Mayo fans and now we are suggesting that a Dublin forward somehow got what he deserved when he got injured? Agree 100%.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 14, 2018 10:17:39 GMT
I like a lot of the Dublin players - Brogan, Rock, O Sullivan, McCarthy, McMenamin to name a few.
I could never like Costello. What I saw Costello doing against Begley in the 2016 semi final was not only a cowardly act, it was highly dangerous. If that was done to somebody in a club game, the perpetrator would probably end up stretchered off and would deserve everything he got IMO.
A month or so later Costello showed he can play football as well as MMA when being the difference off the bench against Mayo. His beaming father, CEO of Dublin GAA earning a six figure sum from an amateur organisation, was on the Sunday Game later on with the cheerleaders in studio back-slapping him over his and his sons achievements. Nobody had ever bothered to mention what he did in that semi-final - perhaps afraid to rock the boat in case they were denied interviews in the run up to the final.
Costello's contributions to this years final was another bout of MMA acts as well as tidying up the Croke Park pitch by removing the goalkeepers cones.
I feel sorry for Bernard Brogan getting injured, I really do. A decent fella, a great footballer and a guy you would tell young players to watch to show who inside forwards should play. I wouldnt tell any young player to watch Costello, unless they wanted to follow in the footsteps of Conor McGergor.
I know certain PC posters wont agree but I believe there are certain people in this world who deserve any misfortune that afflicts them. Bernard Brogan isnt one of those. But I could never feel sorry for Costello being constantly injured. Sometimes the world has a strange way of biting you in the ar$e.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 14, 2018 10:27:57 GMT
I like a lot of the Dublin players - Brogan, Rock, O Sullivan, McCarthy, McMenamin to name a few. I could never like Costello. What I saw Costello doing against Begley in the 2016 semi final was not only a cowardly act, it was highly dangerous. If that was done to somebody in a club game, the perpetrator would probably end up stretchered off and would deserve everything he got IMO. A month or so later Costello showed he can play football as well as MMA when being the difference off the bench against Mayo. His beaming father, CEO of Dublin GAA earning a six figure sum from an amateur organisation, was on the Sunday Game later on with the cheerleaders in studio back-slapping him over his and his sons achievements. Nobody had ever bothered to mention what he did in that semi-final - perhaps afraid to rock the boat in case they were denied interviews in the run up to the final. Costello's contributions to this years final was another bout of MMA acts as well as tidying up the Croke Park pitch by removing the goalkeepers cones. I feel sorry for Bernard Brogan getting injured, I really do. A decent fella, a great footballer and a guy you would tell young players to watch to show who inside forwards should play. I wouldnt tell any young player to watch Costello, unless they wanted to follow in the footsteps of Conor McGergor. I know certain PC posters wont agree but I believe there are certain people in this world who deserve any misfortune that afflicts them. Bernard Brogan isnt one of those. But I could never feel sorry for Costello being constantly injured. Sometimes the world has a strange way of biting you in the ar$e. Well in fairness, you defend your stance and make your case. I would however politely disagree and leave it at that.
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Post by maryo on Feb 14, 2018 14:38:19 GMT
shr.gs/SfdgnjPGreat Article by Kieran Shannon in today's Irish Examiner, hope this posts ok
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More mayo whinging except this is more subtle.
Also apparently Lee Keegan is arguably the greatest wingback to ever play the game.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2018 16:32:26 GMT
More mayo whinging except this is more subtle. Also apparently Lee Keegan is arguably the greatest wingback to ever play the game. He's indeed a GOAT
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 14, 2018 17:25:29 GMT
KIERAN SHANNON:
Only in Gaelic football is smart, cynical fouling a KPI 28 Wednesday, February 14, 2018 The GAA needs to acknowledge that, along with its much-heralded community and amateur status, there is a pervasive cynicism that is ‘unique to our games’, writes Kieran Shannon
Mayo's Cillian O'Connor and Galway's Eoghan Kerin tussle off the ball last weekend at Pearse Stadium. Picture: Diarmuid Greene On the same morning of the sometimes — and far too often — farcical Galway-Mayo clash in Salthill, Marc Ó Sé, prompted by the flashpoints in another Mayo game the previous weekend, wrote a column in a national newspaper posing the question: ‘Yes, Kerry are cynical, but what county isn’t?’
The former Kerry great outlined how nearly all the best teams had players and an attitude of never hesitating “to do what was required”.
Examples: The Meath team that battered a naïve Tyrone team in 1996; a much more streetwise Tyrone team in 2003; the Donegal team of 2012; the Mayo team that “bullied” Kerry last year; and the brilliant Kerry team that he and his brothers played on.
“I have never denied that we were cynical… This is the way it has always been. There is not a team out there that, certainly not one that has enjoyed any kind of success, that does not have those players or that attitude.”
While in many ways Ó Sé’s column was refreshing for its unashamed candour, its sentiment, combined with the outright bolloxology that was so pervasive in Salthill, made us pose and ponder another question: Yes, all the leading teams in Gaelic football feel the need to be cynical, but why don’t champions in other sports have to think and act that way?
Did you ever hear anyone say last summer that the Philadelphia Eagles would have to become more cynical if they were to challenge for a Super Bowl? That if the Pep Guardiola project at Manchester City was to be realised, his team would have to become more cynical? That the reason why the Golden State Warriors and Cleveland Cavaliers had contested the previous three NBA finals was that the likes of Steph Curry, LeBron James, and Kevin Durant were willing to resort to whatever it takes?
LeBron James Of course you didn’t. You might have heard alright that City and the Cavs would have to substantially improve their defence, that their intensity, focus and even aggression in that department would have to significantly increase, but not their level of cynicism.
In fact, the pervasiveness of cynicism in Gaelic football, both between the lines and in its general discourse, is unrivalled in any other team sport.
It was something that struck us watching the Super Bowl the other week. How after every play — say, a running back gains three yards — there were no sneaky afters, no lousy cheap shots. After being fairly, if violently, tackled and stopped by his opponent, he was able to get back up unimpeded, with no member of the opposing defence accidentally-on-purpose falling on top of him, digging him. Once that ball was snapped, the Eagles defence was out to smash Tom Brady, but once the play was complete, they left him untouched. A game loaded with aggression, but devoid of cynicism, which helped make it a brilliant spectacle.
Switch to rugby, another collision sport. So far we’ve had six games in the Six Nations and, outside of the French trying it on with the HIA protocol, there’s been hardly one act of cynicism.
Flick on any soccer match on the box. In the odd game there might be the odd contentious dive, but for the most part the sport is played in a sporting spirit, the nadir of the 1990 World Cup a distant memory. Its best players — the likes of Messi, De Bruyne, Kane — don’t have to stoop to niggling or wrestling an opponent to thrive and win.
In Gaelic football, though, it seems our best players feel they do. Just take the last three Mayo games that have been televised live.
As brilliant as the 2017 All-Ireland final was, it was somewhat marred by the outrageous and cynical acts carried out in the closing minutes. Picture a Messi or Steph wrestling an opponent to the ground to prevent an entry pass, or hurling a GPS or some equivalent of a kicking tee.
Ten days ago in Castlebar, they played Kerry in a desperately tetchy affair. The Ronan Shanahan challenge on Evan Regan has been by now well-scrutinised; less so the running battles off the ball in which men repeatedly dragged and pinned their markers to the ground.
Then there was Salthill last Sunday. More of the same. In fact, worse, which prompted me to tweet: “The amount of bolloxology that Gaelic football — wrestling, dragging, sneaky afters — tolerates is pitiful. Is that what you’d want your young fella at?’
Kieran Shannon @kieranshannon7 The amount of bollixology - wrestling, grappling, dragging, sneaky afters - Gaelic football tolerates is pitiful. Is that what’d you want your young fella at? #galwaymayo
3:30 PM - Feb 11, 2018 95 20 people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy That’s what it comes down to. The GAA has so much going for it. A game from the gods in hurling and, in football, potentially one of the best known to, and made by, man. All played for the love of those games and community, which we are reminded of by almost every corporate brand these days. The latest of those ads is brought to us by Allianz, in conjunction with Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh joyously revelling in the wonder and innocence of kids playing the native games.
In time, though, playing hurling and especially football won’t be so innocent. Some of those kids waved at by Micheál will either resort to or be subjected to acts that their classmates who opted for the cispheil nó rugbaí won’t.
There is something sad that Peter Canavan, the best ball-player of his generation, won his two All-Irelands with his last act seeing him jump on the back of an opponent and hauling him to the ground. Likewise, the abiding image of Lee Keegan, arguably the best wing-back to ever play the game, and Diarmuid Connolly, definitely the best wing-forward of his generation, will be of them wrestling on the ground when they weren’t throwing GPS devices at each other. LeBron and Durant never had to resort to such antics in their finals face-offs.
We know of clubs and teams that have as a key performance indicator (KPI) the number of smart fouls they commit: Instead of fouling the man in possession, they’re out to spoil the runner before he ever appears on the shoulder; it’s not like the linesman is going to notice.
However, in doing so, for the glory of the parish or the county, a little bit of the human spirit is corroded.
Again, is that what you’d want your kids to resort to? Is it what you’d want them to be subjected to? The kind of insidious, underhand tactics that someone like Aidan O’Shea — a model of discipline, to his credit — is constantly exposed to in a sport that is woefully policed?
Rules and regulations can help. A black ball. Empowering linesmen and umpires more. Having a second ref on the field. Harsher, longer suspensions.
However, it starts firstly with recognising the existing culture and reality.
In its self-congratulation, the GAA often refers to its community and amateur status as “unique to our games”, but it also needs to recognise and address that its pervasive cynicism is also “unique to our games”.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 14, 2018 17:39:51 GMT
I dont agree with you there Ciarrai abu that the article is more Mayo whinging but more subtle.
I realize Kieran Shannon was involved with Mayo in 2014 and all that.
I find it hard to disagree with the general theme.
I feel however that its intercounty football that is being blighted.
I cant recall much from the club football All Irelands on TG4 that was cynical... very tough and hard hitting yes...Nemo v Crokes and the Leinster Final being two hard games. But things seem to be going from bad to worse now in inter county Gaelic football.
Maybe it was ever thus in inter county football and the difference now is that there more cameras and the likes of You Tube and Facebook can highlight things more.
Up to about 10 years ago, Mayo and Galway hadnt gone down the nasty route. Truth be told they were a bit naive.
But like Tom Barry said about the black and tans...."They brought things down into the gutter and we had no choice but to follow them down into the gutter"
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 14, 2018 18:56:27 GMT
shr.gs/SfdgnjPGreat Article by Kieran Shannon in today's Irish Examiner, hope this posts ok So many flaws in that article that it would be boring to point them out. To point out one, soccer not cynical? ? HILARIOUS. The diving epidemic, taking ages to leave the field when subbed if your team is winning, constant fouling at corners, harrassing refs etc etc. Shannon nieve to say football any more cynical than other sports. As for Peter canavan player of his generation, give me a break...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 18:57:07 GMT
He writes the article by reference to mayos last two games and last years all Ireland final. Whatever about the merits of the argument, I find it hard not to be cynical re the timing.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 14, 2018 21:40:26 GMT
An underlying issue here is that there is more physicality to, and therefore contact, in Gaelic than most sports. As an amateur sport would it have fewer resources allocated to games supervision? The advent of everyone recording has brought all this to a head. Referees have a hard job to do and the inconsistency with Black Cards might be the straw that breaks the camels back. I think refs have unofficially agreed how to implement it (or not?) regardless of what the rule book says - and it is a hard enough job to do by the book. It is unfair on players as they don't know where the line is on a given day with a given ref. It plays havoc on fellas coming through and who already have so much to contend with.
As regards Shannon' improvised application of the term 'KPI', he has that wrong for starters. And Mayo were dog rough against us in Castlebar, identifying the opportunity to bully the new kids on the block - such over physicality often costs the instigators the game and our kiddos were having none of it and overcame this by playing fast football and so catching out auld cadgers who still had the turkey in the belly, cold turkey? The other flaw in that Mayo plan is that Kerry kiddos are made of hard stuff and S&C only builds on that foundation. That our rookies weathered this storm is a big positive for the years ahead for this crop, this vintage crop.
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Post by ataboy on Feb 14, 2018 23:23:51 GMT
shr.gs/SfdgnjPGreat Article by Kieran Shannon in today's Irish Examiner, hope this posts ok To use Shannon's own word - this article and uproar in the last few weeks over cynicism - is utter bollixology. In my opinion I've no issue with the stuff going on this these days. And to compare it to soccer is laughable. The diving is that game is sickening and has actually turned me off the game. As regards Galway, they were ahead, they kill the game, they do what they have to do.. Simple as, as a manager and player all you want to do is WIN. People go on about the kids etc.. That is not Kevin Walshs problem, that's the GAAs in my opinion.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 16, 2018 9:56:58 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 17, 2018 0:51:00 GMT
Brave talk of Mickey Harte saying he is not putting out his best team for the final of the McGrath Cup v Dún na nGall.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 17, 2018 3:04:00 GMT
What Kieran Shannon is calling out there, and he's being generous to Lee Keegan, is simply the consequences of this culture we have that cynicism is not cynicism when it suits me and mine. We are all guilty of it. Lee Keegan was lauded to the high heavens and defended widely for what he was doing from 2012-2016, when it suited a certain agenda. He was awarded then with POTY and barely a bad word spoken. Somehow a large proportion of the GAA did not see any real issue with him using every illegal and cynically borderline trick in the book.
When Mayo did it in the 2012 semi-final nothing was said, in fact "good lads Mayo, it's your year". Donegal in 2011 only got criticised for 13 or 14 behind the ball, not for a concerted tactic of dirt and cynicism throughout their games. And so on. It's a culture and I've said it here many times, people don't want to change the culture.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 18, 2018 0:50:08 GMT
I have been to 3 Donegal games the year and had planned to take in Croker with our own Monaghan game but auld Neddy the donkey kicked the bucket, or at least he is playing dead and in which case he'd make some some weather man as it was a good few hours after calling the priest that the gritters took to the road up here. Seriously though, we had heavy rain and strange that ice is now expected. So either Neddy's currency is on the rise or Ulster will wake up to an icing rink. It was hard to anticipate Dgal contending with the Dubs but I was keen to see Nathan Mullins among others so in a way I missed nothing bar everything. I had flagged Paddy McBrearty and Nathan Mullins from the Dgal-Armagh encounter and we await to hear why Nathan was curly fingered, moreover right in front of his nouveau adversaries, must have been a v good reason that the team couldn't be reconfigured, I saw him man between the 40s v Armagh and his batteries did the 70+ mins at full power. Now I wouldn't be wan to talk out of school but just from what I have seen, and after due consideration, Ulster is Dgals to lose this year. Monaghan always compete and while Tyrone will be thereabouts, I sense there are too many good players on the Dgal side and fellas are also coming through. And with that you would have to see them being prominent in Ulster for a while though Bonnar is unproven and so he will be tested as they ascend. And before yez try to clean out Padraig Power ................... Ballythefireside quote of the day - "to predict is difficult but to predict the future is impossible". Told ya so .... Dun na nGall looking good for Super 8s, next challenge is to grow from 10 to 15 to 20 top shelf players.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Feb 18, 2018 2:25:45 GMT
What Kieran Shannon is calling out there, and he's being generous to Lee Keegan, is simply the consequences of this culture we have that cynicism is not cynicism when it suits me and mine. We are all guilty of it. Lee Keegan was lauded to the high heavens and defended widely for what he was doing from 2012-2016, when it suited a certain agenda. He was awarded then with POTY and barely a bad word spoken. Somehow a large proportion of the GAA did not see any real issue with him using every illegal and cynically borderline trick in the book. When Mayo did it in the 2012 semi-final nothing was said, in fact "good lads Mayo, it's your year". Donegal in 2011 only got criticised for 13 or 14 behind the ball, not for a concerted tactic of dirt and cynicism throughout their games. And so on. It's a culture and I've said it here many times, people don't want to change the culture. Fair post Rashers.
Can you expand on the people that don't want to change the culture please?
For me I would change the whole rigmarole of the Inter County scene at the moment in one fell swoop.
1 Reduce I/County teams to 13 a side.
2 Two Refs to officiate at every Championship game.
3. Black Cards GOOD LUCK. Yellows and Reds only.
4. AND OF COURSE WE NEED TO SPLIT DUBLIN INTO 4 QUADRANTS TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD.
5. Number 4 is a piss take BTW .
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 18, 2018 10:32:47 GMT
What Kieran Shannon is calling out there, and he's being generous to Lee Keegan, is simply the consequences of this culture we have that cynicism is not cynicism when it suits me and mine. We are all guilty of it. Lee Keegan was lauded to the high heavens and defended widely for what he was doing from 2012-2016, when it suited a certain agenda. He was awarded then with POTY and barely a bad word spoken. Somehow a large proportion of the GAA did not see any real issue with him using every illegal and cynically borderline trick in the book. When Mayo did it in the 2012 semi-final nothing was said, in fact "good lads Mayo, it's your year". Donegal in 2011 only got criticised for 13 or 14 behind the ball, not for a concerted tactic of dirt and cynicism throughout their games. And so on. It's a culture and I've said it here many times, people don't want to change the culture. Fair post Rashers.
Can you expand on the people that don't want to change the culture please?
For me I would change the whole rigmarole of the Inter County scene at the moment in one fell swoop.
1 Reduce I/County teams to 13 a side.
2 Two Refs to officiate at every Championship game.
3. Black Cards GOOD LUCK. Yellows and Reds only.
4. AND OF COURSE WE NEED TO SPLIT DUBLIN INTO 4 QUADRANTS TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD.
5. Number 4 is a piss take BTW .
It seems to rankle in Dublin that Lee Keegan has blotted out Connolly & Kilkenny in successive All-Ireland finals?
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Post by peanuts on Feb 18, 2018 19:02:33 GMT
Fair post Rashers.
Can you expand on the people that don't want to change the culture please?
For me I would change the whole rigmarole of the Inter County scene at the moment in one fell swoop.
1 Reduce I/County teams to 13 a side.
2 Two Refs to officiate at every Championship game.
3. Black Cards GOOD LUCK. Yellows and Reds only.
4. AND OF COURSE WE NEED TO SPLIT DUBLIN INTO 4 QUADRANTS TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD.
5. Number 4 is a piss take BTW .
It seems to rankle in Dublin that Lee Keegan has blotted out Connolly & Kilkenny in successive All-Ireland finals? . Yes and no mention of Dublin's cynicism in last years AI or 2013 final either.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 19, 2018 11:37:20 GMT
It seems to rankle in Dublin that Lee Keegan has blotted out Connolly & Kilkenny in successive All-Ireland finals? . Yes and no mention of Dublin's cynicism in last years AI or 2013 final either. Plenty of mention of it in many quarters, or did you mean me? I did say above that "we are all guilty of it", in reference to both the cynicism, and how there are often double standards about calling it out. For my part I don't recall ever having any personal vendetta or campaign against cynicism, because I recognised it as a clear definable culture in our game. This doesn't make it laudable, I'm merely being realistic. In answer to your question in the previous post, many like to give out and cry about "how terribly cynical our games have become", or about this or that team, in any given year or era but this complaining is not consistent, and therefore in effect proves that it's selective, and that this aspect of our game is indeed a culture that people don't really want to change. The "your team were cynical in XXYY game/year" is not the basis for a proper discussion, we all can all point to examples, interpretations, exacerbating factors, chains of events, agendas, and levels of culpability and severity etc. Those discussions and tit-for-tat exchanges have been done to death here and elsewhere for years, people insist on dragging it to that level over and over again because of whatever reason, probably just for the hopping ball/entertainment/wind-up factors. As for last year's final, the disinformation and exaggeration that has occurred since the very final whistle makes any serious conversation about it null and void. There are still a large proportion of people stating "three Mayo players systematically dragged down" when it was clearly proven that only one player was dragged down. This kind of agenda-driven discourse is going to continue to prevent meaningful dialogue on the overall/wider issues as they used to say about a certain part of this island.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 19, 2018 11:46:48 GMT
Fair post Rashers.
Can you expand on the people that don't want to change the culture please?
For me I would change the whole rigmarole of the Inter County scene at the moment in one fell swoop.
1 Reduce I/County teams to 13 a side.
2 Two Refs to officiate at every Championship game.
3. Black Cards GOOD LUCK. Yellows and Reds only.
4. AND OF COURSE WE NEED TO SPLIT DUBLIN INTO 4 QUADRANTS TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD.
5. Number 4 is a piss take BTW .
It seems to rankle in Dublin that Lee Keegan has blotted out Connolly & Kilkenny in successive All-Ireland finals? Nice try but he didn't blot them out, he limited them to a significant degree. In fact for myself I can only say that it rankled that Keegan was not being called out for aspects of his play, that if they had been done by a player from another team, would not get such a free pass. It's been declared by Dublin supporters on a regular basis for years now that Keegan is a great footballer and he would get on the current Dublin team no problem. But it doesn't mean he is above all criticism. If Keegan marked players with less cynicism, or didn't get away with what he was getting away with for the guts of 3-4 years, would he have been nearly so effective? Keegan is a great attacking halfback but I've seen better defenders, Mick Fitzsimons for example marks at least as effectively as Keegan without virtually any of the dirty tactics. Jack McCaffrey is less effective but not by much, and again plays the game to the letter of the law. Cian O'Sullivan has the ability when in that role (which has been rare due to his sweeper role.) Keith Higgins of course a great example of a clean, brilliant back. Young Barrett had great moments in the final last year. It's no mystery to say that Keegan's defensive role has been to stop the most influential roaming attacking player by virtually whatever means necessary. As soon as he went off in the 2016 final replay Mr Vaughan came on and did exactly the same thing from the get-go. I think it was him, maybe someone else?
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Post by Green&Red on Feb 19, 2018 22:38:18 GMT
What Kieran Shannon is calling out there, and he's being generous to Lee Keegan, is simply the consequences of this culture we have that cynicism is not cynicism when it suits me and mine. We are all guilty of it. Lee Keegan was lauded to the high heavens and defended widely for what he was doing from 2012-2016, when it suited a certain agenda. He was awarded then with POTY and barely a bad word spoken. Somehow a large proportion of the GAA did not see any real issue with him using every illegal and cynically borderline trick in the book. When Mayo did it in the 2012 semi-final nothing was said, in fact "good lads Mayo, it's your year". Donegal in 2011 only got criticised for 13 or 14 behind the ball, not for a concerted tactic of dirt and cynicism throughout their games. And so on. It's a culture and I've said it here many times, people don't want to change the culture. Sorry Rashers but you seem to be going on an anti Mayo tirade the last few days and just want to pull you up on a couple of points. 1. Yourself and other Dublin journalists (mainly) have Keegan painted as this filthy cynical man marker which is complete rubbish. From 2012-14 I can't remember Lee being involved in any cynical moments in games. In 2015 he pulled Connolly to ground in the last minute of injury time and got away with a yellow instead of a black. However, we see this in every game from all players so it's barely noteworthy. In 2016 Lee got lynched by Mickey Harte and others after the Tyrone game. I've watched this game back a couple of times since and there was far worse than Lee in it. Keegan didn't make any challenge in the game that deserved a black card. 2. There was plenty said on that. Joe Brolly went on RTE radio a couple of days before the 2012 final calling out our cynical, tactical fouling and saying a strong referee would be needed to deal with it. This is the same Joe Brolly that refuses to criticise Dublin for anything at all. Apologies others for bringing the thread off topic, just wanted to say that.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 24, 2018 20:46:49 GMT
Dublin march on relentlessly. The perception that suggests Tyrone are a top four team must be starting to evaporate now, going down tonight in an Ulster dog fight. Mayo obviously not doing too much early in the season again this year. Meath losing to Tipp sees Meath are at the trap door. Leinster football is in turmoil.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 24, 2018 22:49:26 GMT
Dublin march on relentlessly. The perception that suggests Tyrone are a top four team must be starting to evaporate now, going down tonight in an Ulster dog fight. Mayo obviously not doing too much early in the season again this year. Meath losing to Tipp sees Meath are at the trap door. Leinster football is in turmoil. Leinster football has a team winning All-Is and Nat leagues recently, bit like Munster football from 74-86. Connaught football hasn't won an All-I in 17 years and one top division Nat league trophy. Ulster football appears to be declining. Leinster football didn't win an All-I or a Nat League Div 1 title from 99-2011, yet nobody seemed too concerned about it.
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Post by dano on Feb 24, 2018 23:54:21 GMT
Dublin had Mayo's number from start to finish. The free taking by Mayo would kill anyone's morale.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 25, 2018 10:00:33 GMT
Dublin march on relentlessly. The perception that suggests Tyrone are a top four team must be starting to evaporate now, going down tonight in an Ulster dog fight. Mayo obviously not doing too much early in the season again this year. Meath losing to Tipp sees Meath are at the trap door. Leinster football is in turmoil. Leinster football has a team winning All-Is and Nat leagues recently, bit like Munster football from 74-86. Connaught football hasn't won an All-I in 17 years and one top division Nat league trophy. Ulster football appears to be declining. Leinster football didn't win an All-I or a Nat League Div 1 title from 99-2011, yet nobody seemed too concerned about it. Dublin at 4/11 and Kildare at 150/1 with Paddy Power to win the NFL. It is a chasm now.
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Post by farneysarmy on Feb 25, 2018 14:06:44 GMT
Leinster football has a team winning All-Is and Nat leagues recently, bit like Munster football from 74-86. Connaught football hasn't won an All-I in 17 years and one top division Nat league trophy. Ulster football appears to be declining. Leinster football didn't win an All-I or a Nat League Div 1 title from 99-2011, yet nobody seemed too concerned about it. Dublin at 4/11 and Kildare at 150/1 with Paddy Power to win the NFL. It is a chasm now. Kildare just now on Paddy Power are 66/1. Cork are 33/1......Limerick 1000/1. Chasm indeed!
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Post by southward on Feb 25, 2018 17:37:55 GMT
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Post by glengael on Feb 26, 2018 10:06:10 GMT
Our neighbours went down in both games in Pairc du Franc yesterday. Looking at the hurling on TV the pitch seems very bare. They seem to have made a good job of the stadium but overlooked it's primary purpose....
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