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Post by derry4sam on Aug 13, 2018 0:21:33 GMT
It would have been an absolute travesty had Kerry lost that game today, and it nearly was. The game should really have been over at half-time, such was the Kerry dominance but the amount of wasted possession almost proved very costly. A couple of great saves by the Monaghan keeper helped keep them in it too. A gilt-edged goal chance spurned with 5 minutes to go was followed immediately by Kerry needlessly losing possession and coughing up the equalising goal. A few household items here are not the better of it. Great composure all the same to rescue the result and hopefully a valuable lesson in making the most of what you have, when you have it. Outstanding performance by Paul O'Shea. Walsh was quiet but did the business when it mattered. O Beagloích got out of the sick bed to win a vital free at the end - did he end up with a black card as well? What are you on about with O Beaglaioch?
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Post by mafi97 on Aug 13, 2018 1:07:31 GMT
Like most of us, I've had some great days in Croke Park.
But today is right up there with the best of days. Because I've been away a lot, I've had no chance to see anything of our newest set of young tyroes - and I had no idea what to expect. Accompanied by two long-time Monaghan friends, I was prepared for anything. After all, this was their day.
Foremost in my mind was the old maxim, "you never know with Minors". And that was when it was U-18.
So this was a bunch of U-17's in their first outing in Croke Park.
It took me about five minutes to realise two things. Firstly, I know nothing about Peter Keane apart from looking at the Minor Teams he has put out. But five minutes into the game, I could see in front of me, this is a Peter Keane team. I'm beginning to realise that there is such a thing as Peter Keane team. They weren't pitch perfect but for a bunch of 16-17 year olds in their first game in Croke Park, they were all seeking to do the right thing and it was heartening to watch. Some of their 25-30 yard foot passing was a joy to behold.
The second thing I realised was that that, albeit the game was being played in Croke Park, it was effectively a home game for Monaghan. If the first half was played in front of a partisan crowd, the second was played in what can only be described as a feral atmosphere. The red card, followed by the (very well-taken) Monaghan goal, fortified by the influx of the Monaghan//Tyrone latecomers generated a surge of momentum that would take a team of hardened experienced operators to survive.
Over the years, I must have been at close to a hundred Minor Semi-Finals. We have all been at Semi=Finals and Finals where one team has the advantage of their Seniors being on the same dance-card. We all know the advantage that provides. But I cannot recall where the supporters of both Senior Teams were unified in their rabid support of one team at the expense of the other.
If ever any of today's team find themselves in a febrile situation in a future Croke Park scenario, they will have today's cauldron to inform them and to sustain them and to mark them as men in the manner that was hinted at today./''
I don't know what today's attendance was, but I assume that it was in the order of 50.000. If any of theses guys progress to Senior Inter-County they will never again face the same level of animosity as experienced today. For the simple reason that only half the attendance will be on their case.
Hamstrung as I was, given that I was in the company of two (most welcome and informative) Monaghan friends, I kept my own counsel. When I got home, I thought that I would just check in here to get a sense of the accomplishment of qualifying for an unprecedented fifth Minor in a row which is truly extraordinary./
What do I find?
Some positive views expressed in a positive fashion with health warnings - which are required as we move to the Final Day. But as usual, we have the self-defined perfectionists with their impossible demamds - hello, did you get the memo that these were 16-17 year olds?. The more some people post, the more I reckon they never laced a blacthorn boot in their life If younger readers don't recognise that particular reference, don't worry about it. There were mistakes made on both sides and Monaghan were a serious outfit with some serious prospects for the future.
It is only a short number of years ago since we bemoaned the lack of any Kerry success on the Minor front. Now we have an annual feast of young prospects displaying an array of different skills backed by a steel resolve to dig out a result - which is what these young guys did today, despite the the lack of complete acclaim by the Blackthorn-less self appointed critics.
If this particular group come up short in the Final, nothing will diminish my memory of their resolve against the whole momentum of the game. Only someone that was there can understand that after the red card, it was not 14 v 15, it was 14 v 16, as the crowd revved it up as only a Northern crowd can do.
I don't know what Galway Minors are like - but I do know this - it will take a really serious team to beat this team. So maybe, Galway hav= a really serious team. If they do, they do. But nothing will erode the memory of the style and steel of that team today - even though they were only 16-17.
P.S. There are some serious prospects for the future in this team - and maybe not the names one might expect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 7:40:54 GMT
Great to see a team of such young men with such incredible resolve. Some lovely football played by both teams but Kerry held most the aces really. Mulligan for Monaghan is a lovely footballer also. Paul O Shea is some prospect. The guy ran the show for the most part yesterday. Kerry were cruising but eroded leads like that can be a feature of underage. These lads are only learning their craft and the fact that they came back against all the odds in the end will bring them on no end. Congrats to all.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 13, 2018 8:04:15 GMT
Like most of us, I've had some great days in Croke Park. But today is right up there with the best of days. Because I've been away a lot, I've had no chance to see anything of our newest set of young tyroes - and I had no idea what to expect. Accompanied by two long-time Monaghan friends, I was prepared for anything. After all, this was their day. Foremost in my mind was the old maxim, "you never know with Minors". And that was when it was U-18. So this was a bunch of U-17's in their first outing in Croke Park. It took me about five minutes to realise two things. Firstly, I know nothing about Peter Keane apart from looking at the Minor Teams he has put out. But five minutes into the game, I could see in front of me, this is a Peter Keane team. I'm beginning to realise that there is such a thing as Peter Keane team. They weren't pitch perfect but for a bunch of 16-17 year olds in their first game in Croke Park, they were all seeking to do the right thing and it was heartening to watch. Some of their 25-30 yard foot passing was a joy to behold. The second thing I realised was that that, albeit the game was being played in Croke Park, it was effectively a home game for Monaghan. If the first half was played in front of a partisan crowd, the second was played in what can only be described as a feral atmosphere. The red card, followed by the (very well-taken) Monaghan goal, fortified by the influx of the Monaghan//Tyrone latecomers generated a surge of momentum that would take a team of hardened experienced operators to survive. Over the years, I must have been at close to a hundred Minor Semi-Finals. We have all been at Semi=Finals and Finals where one team has the advantage of their Seniors being on the same dance-card. We all know the advantage that provides. But I cannot recall where the supporters of both Senior Teams were unified in their rabid support of one team at the expense of the other. If ever any of today's team find themselves in a febrile situation in a future Croke Park scenario, they will have today's cauldron to inform them and to sustain them and to mark them as men in the manner that was hinted at today./'' I don't know what today's attendance was, but I assume that it was in the order of 50.000. If any of theses guys progress to Senior Inter-County they will never again face the same level of animosity as experienced today. For the simple reason that only half the attendance will be on their case. Hamstrung as I was, given that I was in the company of two (most welcome and informative) Monaghan friends, I kept my own counsel. When I got home, I thought that I would just check in here to get a sense of the accomplishment of qualifying for an unprecedented fifth Minor in a row which is truly extraordinary./ What do I find? Some positive views expressed in a positive fashion with health warnings - which are required as we move to the Final Day. But as usual, we have the self-defined perfectionists with their impossible demamds - hello, did you get the memo that these were 16-17 year olds?. The more some people post, the more I reckon they never laced a blacthorn boot in their life If younger readers don't recognise that particular reference, don't worry about it. There were mistakes made on both sides and Monaghan were a serious outfit with some serious prospects for the future. It is only a short number of years ago since we bemoaned the lack of any Kerry success on the Minor front. Now we have an annual feast of young prospects displaying an array of different skills backed by a steel resolve to dig out a result - which is what these young guys did today, despite the the lack of complete acclaim by the Blackthorn-less self appointed critics. If this particular group come up short in the Final, nothing will diminish my memory of their resolve against the whole momentum of the game. Only someone that was there can understand that after the red card, it was not 14 v 15, it was 14 v 16, as the crowd revved it up as only a Northern crowd can do. I don't know what Galway Minors are like - but I do know this - it will take a really serious team to beat this team. So maybe, Galway hav= a really serious team. If they do, they do. But nothing will erode the memory of the style and steel of that team today - even though they were only 16-17. P.S. There are some serious prospects for the future in this team - and maybe not the names one might expect. I The best posts I’ve read on this forum for a long time. There is an intangible essence that is Kerry football at its very best. Unfortunately many contributors here are so influenced by column fillers trying to mechanically dismantle the game with their clichés borrowed from other sports that they think they know the game but they do not. They don’t know what they don’t know. I laughed at the reference to Blackthorn boots. I can still remember the ads on black and white television. It was my life’s ambition to own a pair. Santy couldn’t even crack it for me.
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Post by peanuts on Aug 13, 2018 8:12:20 GMT
Heard an interesting statistic today, Kerry minors winning streak in 1 more than Dublin Seniors. Sorry for being pedantic Dublin's streak isn't a winning streak, its an unbeaten streak as it includes 2 draws with Mayo.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 13, 2018 8:21:30 GMT
I have seen the minors win semi finals by 20+ points and cruise to All Ireland final wins over the last few years but yesterdays semi final was one the Kerry public can be proudest of.
The easy thing to do when Monaghan went a point up and a man up with the 50,000 in the ground roaring them one would have been to raise the white flag. But no, our lads grasped the nettle and dominated those 8 minutes of injury time despite the momentum and numerical advantage our opponents had at that stage.
We know our minor teams will be very skilful and well coached but what you cant coach is character. After the finish to the Cork game and yesterdays game, these lads proved they have that in bucket loads.
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Post by jackiel on Aug 13, 2018 9:24:27 GMT
Heard an interesting statistic today, Kerry minors winning streak in 1 more than Dublin Seniors. Sorry for being pedantic Dublin's streak isn't a winning streak, its an unbeaten streak as it includes 2 draws with Mayo. I stand corrected.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 13, 2018 9:32:48 GMT
Like most of us, I've had some great days in Croke Park. But today is right up there with the best of days. Because I've been away a lot, I've had no chance to see anything of our newest set of young tyroes - and I had no idea what to expect. Accompanied by two long-time Monaghan friends, I was prepared for anything. After all, this was their day. Foremost in my mind was the old maxim, "you never know with Minors". And that was when it was U-18. So this was a bunch of U-17's in their first outing in Croke Park. It took me about five minutes to realise two things. Firstly, I know nothing about Peter Keane apart from looking at the Minor Teams he has put out. But five minutes into the game, I could see in front of me, this is a Peter Keane team. I'm beginning to realise that there is such a thing as Peter Keane team. They weren't pitch perfect but for a bunch of 16-17 year olds in their first game in Croke Park, they were all seeking to do the right thing and it was heartening to watch. Some of their 25-30 yard foot passing was a joy to behold. The second thing I realised was that that, albeit the game was being played in Croke Park, it was effectively a home game for Monaghan. If the first half was played in front of a partisan crowd, the second was played in what can only be described as a feral atmosphere. The red card, followed by the (very well-taken) Monaghan goal, fortified by the influx of the Monaghan//Tyrone latecomers generated a surge of momentum that would take a team of hardened experienced operators to survive. Over the years, I must have been at close to a hundred Minor Semi-Finals. We have all been at Semi=Finals and Finals where one team has the advantage of their Seniors being on the same dance-card. We all know the advantage that provides. But I cannot recall where the supporters of both Senior Teams were unified in their rabid support of one team at the expense of the other. If ever any of today's team find themselves in a febrile situation in a future Croke Park scenario, they will have today's cauldron to inform them and to sustain them and to mark them as men in the manner that was hinted at today./'' I don't know what today's attendance was, but I assume that it was in the order of 50.000. If any of theses guys progress to Senior Inter-County they will never again face the same level of animosity as experienced today. For the simple reason that only half the attendance will be on their case. Hamstrung as I was, given that I was in the company of two (most welcome and informative) Monaghan friends, I kept my own counsel. When I got home, I thought that I would just check in here to get a sense of the accomplishment of qualifying for an unprecedented fifth Minor in a row which is truly extraordinary./ What do I find? Some positive views expressed in a positive fashion with health warnings - which are required as we move to the Final Day. But as usual, we have the self-defined perfectionists with their impossible demamds - hello, did you get the memo that these were 16-17 year olds?. The more some people post, the more I reckon they never laced a blacthorn boot in their life If younger readers don't recognise that particular reference, don't worry about it. There were mistakes made on both sides and Monaghan were a serious outfit with some serious prospects for the future. It is only a short number of years ago since we bemoaned the lack of any Kerry success on the Minor front. Now we have an annual feast of young prospects displaying an array of different skills backed by a steel resolve to dig out a result - which is what these young guys did today, despite the the lack of complete acclaim by the Blackthorn-less self appointed critics. If this particular group come up short in the Final, nothing will diminish my memory of their resolve against the whole momentum of the game. Only someone that was there can understand that after the red card, it was not 14 v 15, it was 14 v 16, as the crowd revved it up as only a Northern crowd can do. I don't know what Galway Minors are like - but I do know this - it will take a really serious team to beat this team. So maybe, Galway hav= a really serious team. If they do, they do. But nothing will erode the memory of the style and steel of that team today - even though they were only 16-17. P.S. There are some serious prospects for the future in this team - and maybe not the names one might expect. I Great post excatly how i feel as someone who was also at the game. A good feature in the first half was the clever play of our no 3 Owen Fitzgerald as sweeper he played it to a tee as. Also impressed with no 6 Dan mccarthy the sforementioned o shea no.11 won some amount of kickouts no. 15 lenihan showed well and worked hard. No 13. Dylan Geaney took some great scores off both feet lovely corner forward reminds me of someone with a similar name.... it cant be over emphasised how noisy that crowd were really geed up monaghan in the second half. Overall i was super proud of those young men yesterday and they will represent us well in another final in a few weeks.well played by all including management yesterday!
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 13, 2018 9:57:57 GMT
Minor team showed great character yesterday - after the sending off they came under severe pressure from Monaghan and they dug deep to rescue the game from the jaws of defeat.
The age of this competition still bugs me and I think its days are numbered as the curtain raiser to big games in Croke Park.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 10:10:17 GMT
Minor team showed great character yesterday - after the sending off they came under severe pressure from Monaghan and they dug deep to rescue the game from the jaws of defeat. The age of this competition still bugs me and I think its days are numbered as the curtain raiser to big games in Croke Park. I would agree with the curtain raiser point. The introduction of a B championship at some stage will be the driver of this change.
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Post by jackiel on Aug 13, 2018 10:18:12 GMT
Great post mafi. I was in the happy position of sitting with the Kerry subs. the young lad sitting beside me commented that it was a tough crowd. Most of the supporters behind them were from Monaghan. Kerry supporters were fewer than usual with no Seniors playing. You are correct there's a significant difference between the former Minor set up and the U17 system , more of these lads are only 16 & 17 and people need to remember that and make allowances accordingly. Fair play to Peter Keane and his team of mentors, they have obviously instilled a great attitude in the players which brought them through in the end. I look forward to seeing them back in 3 week's time.
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Post by glengael on Aug 13, 2018 11:01:01 GMT
I thought there was a decent enough Kerry crowd considering the absence of the seniors. Certainly the morning train was very busy and I met quite a few people who had driven up. However it was always going to be miniscule compared to the Monaghan support.
Strangely enough , after the 2nd Monaghan goal a Tyrone man who was sitting in front of us turned around to me and said 'I think that Kerry will still win this. They just have that something'. I wasn't quite as convinced at the time but here you go.
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Post by homerj on Aug 13, 2018 11:29:11 GMT
great win. fantastic resolve to pull it out, most teams would have folded but they did not.
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Post by kerryborder on Aug 13, 2018 12:00:13 GMT
That was a game that was heartening to see. Great composure from those young lads to get a result.
Some very good players on view from both sides in fairness. The Kerry lads seemed more in tune with how they wanted to play the game.
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Post by keane on Aug 13, 2018 13:34:58 GMT
To ape what seems to be becoming a fashionable posting style, I good do without all these vague, passive aggressive posts about unspecified other posters not having a clue.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 13, 2018 13:39:59 GMT
I don't have a clue about football and never pretended otherwise!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 13, 2018 14:32:30 GMT
To ape what seems to be becoming a fashionable posting style, I good do without all these vague, passive aggressive posts about unspecified other posters not having a clue. the unknown unknowns are a hoor.
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Post by fg on Aug 13, 2018 15:26:10 GMT
To ape what seems to be becoming a fashionable posting style, I good do without all these vague, passive aggressive posts about unspecified other posters not having a clue. the unknown unknowns are a hoor. And so are the precious Mickmack and i'm not referring to you .
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Post by southward on Aug 13, 2018 18:26:00 GMT
It would have been an absolute travesty had Kerry lost that game today, and it nearly was. The game should really have been over at half-time, such was the Kerry dominance but the amount of wasted possession almost proved very costly. A couple of great saves by the Monaghan keeper helped keep them in it too. A gilt-edged goal chance spurned with 5 minutes to go was followed immediately by Kerry needlessly losing possession and coughing up the equalising goal. A few household items here are not the better of it. Great composure all the same to rescue the result and hopefully a valuable lesson in making the most of what you have, when you have it. Outstanding performance by Paul O'Shea. Walsh was quiet but did the business when it mattered. O Beagloích got out of the sick bed to win a vital free at the end - did he end up with a black card as well? What are you on about with O Beaglaioch? He wasn't listed on the clár but came on in injury time and won the equalising free.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 19:08:58 GMT
I notice Ruairi O’Beaglaigh who got a goal against Roscommon and was a busy corner forward is now merely a member of the additional panel. A serious falling out of favour . He may of course be injured .Players who are omitted due to imjury seems to be a state secret, similar to the the senior panel. Why the reluctance to tell us if a player is out due injury. In any case , best of luck to the young lads tomorrow. They willl have to do it the hard way with little or no support. O Beaglaoich was concussed in game with Roscommon and accordingly has to sit out tomorrow’s game. If this is correct, there is an obvious question to be asked.
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Post by veteran on Aug 13, 2018 19:37:41 GMT
Ruarie O’Beaglaigh’s injury is interesting. If as suggested it was a concussion injury how come he was not listed on the panel if the concussion protocol was completed. If it was not completed on Saturday at the time the team was published is it conceivable that it could have been completed twenty four hours later.? Of course it may not have been a concussion injury.. Either way his late inclusion presumably meant that somebody else was excluded from the 26 man panel, clearly at at the midnight hour. Fair? Perhaps management may comment later.
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Post by southward on Aug 13, 2018 19:39:10 GMT
I don't have a clue about football and never pretended otherwise! So you moved to Cork
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 13, 2018 20:14:14 GMT
O Beaglaoich was concussed in game with Roscommon and accordingly has to sit out tomorrow’s game. If this is correct, there is an obvious question to be asked. As reported by Sylvester Hennessy on Twitter on Sat after team announcement “ Just one change to the Kerry Minors for tomorrow’s game v Monaghan - Michael Lenihan in for Ruaidhri O’Beaglaioch who is out due to concussion “
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 20:31:18 GMT
Fair enough, no reason for it not to be true then. It would be good for the KCB to clarify things here.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 15, 2018 7:17:02 GMT
Jack Kennelly made a big impact when he came on and scored a key point.
He got 2 points v Cork too.
He was a sub v Rossies.
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Post by derry4sam on Aug 15, 2018 13:24:43 GMT
Outside of Paul O’Shea who out of these look like potential senior players?
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 15, 2018 13:33:10 GMT
Moriarty at full back, Darragh Lyne midfield, Paul Walsh, Dylan Geaney - long way to go for these guys though.
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 15, 2018 13:53:39 GMT
Ruarie O’Beaglaigh’s injury is interesting. If as suggested it was a concussion injury how come he was not listed on the panel if the concussion protocol was completed. If it was not completed on Saturday at the time the team was published is it conceivable that it could have been completed twenty four hours later.? Of course it may not have been a concussion injury.. Either way his late inclusion presumably meant that somebody else was excluded from the 26 man panel, clearly at at the midnight hour. Fair? Perhaps management may comment later. He was named as number 25 when the team was announced on the Kerry website.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 15, 2018 14:19:14 GMT
Outside of Paul O’Shea who out of these look like potential senior players? I think the question should be more like who out of these will be good enough to go straight into the u20s next year.
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Post by veteran on Aug 15, 2018 16:04:41 GMT
Ruarie O’Beaglaigh’s injury is interesting. If as suggested it was a concussion injury how come he was not listed on the panel if the concussion protocol was completed. If it was not completed on Saturday at the time the team was published is it conceivable that it could have been completed twenty four hours later.? Of course it may not have been a concussion injury.. Either way his late inclusion presumably meant that somebody else was excluded from the 26 man panel, clearly at at the midnight hour. Fair? Perhaps management may comment later. He was named as number 25 when the team was announced on the Kerry website. I thought he was listed as merely an additional panel player on the website? Could be wrong. Hope he is fit for the final in any case. Good player from what I have seen of him during the campaign.
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