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Post by fitz on Sept 11, 2017 11:07:52 GMT
I don't think the dubs are getting enough credit though for how good and ruthless they were v Tyrone. Tyrone gave Kerry and Mayo a belly full of it in 2015 and 2016 respectively. Kerry won but not by much and Mayo won by a point. So did Tyrone have an off day .....or did were Dublin imperious. I think the latter. Kerry and Mayo might have beaten Tyrone in 2017 but the games would not have been over after 20 mins. What the dubs did was shock and awe....colleagues at work said the silence after 20 mins was eerie. No more room for any more credit that I can see, a constant flood of adornment
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 11, 2017 11:28:28 GMT
The sentiment here seemed to me to be about how awful Tyrone were and how they didn't turn up. Maybe I got the wrong impression.
I suppose this final could end up like 2001 when Galway beat Meath who were favs after eating Kerry in the semi final
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 11, 2017 11:48:51 GMT
The sentiment here seemed to me to be about how awful Tyrone were and how they didn't turn up. Maybe I got the wrong impression. I suppose this final could end up like 2001 when Galway beat Meath who were favs after eating Kerry in the semi final Dublin unpicked Tyrones lock in less than 10 minutes and proceeded to do as they pleased after that. Mayo were much more impressive in Tralee in the NFL than Tyrone were in Killarney in the last round of the same competition. The All-Ireland final is far from a foregone conclusion, but everything will have to go well for Mayo to win. Dublin seem to have more scope in their setup.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 11, 2017 12:29:53 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Sept 11, 2017 14:26:20 GMT
The sentiment here seemed to me to be about how awful Tyrone were and how they didn't turn up. Maybe I got the wrong impression. I suppose this final could end up like 2001 when Galway beat Meath who were favs after eating Kerry in the semi final The only thing that this Dublin team and that Meath team have in common is both their supporters like to Ole.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 11, 2017 16:47:02 GMT
If this was a horse race Dublin would be hit with a lot of weight handicap.
Between 2007 and 2015 Mayo got circa 300k for coaching. Dublin got 14m. Throw in the 1m a year from the sports council that goes back to when bertie was Taoiseach and you are looking at 25m.
This excludes the AIG money.
Add in the fact that ten of the Mayo panel are based in Dublin with a long commute to training ....basically David was given a fairer shake against goliath.
Throw in home advantage and .....
Anything less than 7 in a row would see Dublin underachieving given the unique circumstances.
In my opinion.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 11, 2017 16:53:42 GMT
Pissed off we are not all buzzing about the final and getting to Dublin for the weekend - something missing bigtime and not being part of the big occasion (seniors) is frustrating. Feel we left ourselves down by not being there (we didn't earn the right to be there and no arguement about that).
The same old questions about Mayo for me - surely they can't lose another one.
The same old plea about Dublin - please, please stop them from three in a row as the pain of listening to the adulation and claims of greatness (deserved if they win) will make the winter unbearable. Emmigration is the only option if they win, that or smash the TV and radio and walk Banna night and day for the next six months.
The winter waiting for a chance of redemption is gonna be long and cold........
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 11, 2017 17:02:07 GMT
If this was a horse race Dublin would be hit with a lot of weight handicap. Between 2007 and 2015 Mayo got circa 300k for coaching. Dublin got 14m. Throw in the 1m a year from the sports council that goes back to when bertie was Taoiseach and you are looking at 25m. This excludes the AIG money. Add in the fact that ten of the Mayo panel are based in Dublin with a long commute to training ....basically David was given a fairer shake against goliath. Throw in home advantage and ..... Anything less than 7 in a row would see Dublin underachieving given the unique circumstances. In my opinion. You forgot the iPads. We have loads of them.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 11, 2017 17:10:45 GMT
If this was a horse race Dublin would be hit with a lot of weight handicap. Between 2007 and 2015 Mayo got circa 300k for coaching. Dublin got 14m. Throw in the 1m a year from the sports council that goes back to when bertie was Taoiseach and you are looking at 25m. This excludes the AIG money. Add in the fact that ten of the Mayo panel are based in Dublin with a long commute to training ....basically David was given a fairer shake against goliath. Throw in home advantage and ..... Anything less than 7 in a row would see Dublin underachieving given the unique circumstances. In my opinion. You forgot the iPads. We have loads of them. It must be unique in the history of sport anywhere that one team was singled out so much .... Do you know of another similar circumstance anywhere.
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 11, 2017 20:28:12 GMT
You forgot the iPads. We have loads of them. It must be unique in the history of sport anywhere that one team was singled out so much .... Do you know of another similar circumstance anywhere. True, the hatred knows no bounds.
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Post by fitz on Sept 11, 2017 20:38:28 GMT
The banality of Gavin's interviews. But I suppose what is he supposed to say. If ever I wished for a lack of calm humility. I'd love it if he lost the plot, had a night on the jar, replaced Brian Cowen with a first thing interview the following morning, put on a Davy Fitzgerald accent, and blurted f**k a couple/ no load of times, during a proclamation that they'd hammer the sh1te out of Mayo. Be a distraction anyway. Respect would spiral upwards 😛. This domination crack, fair tiresome.
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Post by An Bradán on Sept 11, 2017 21:51:54 GMT
I find myself in the curious position of not really wishing to see either team win. I don't buy into the sentiment around Mayo. They just haven't been good enough to win and that's tough.
And as for the Dubs. The hype machine knows no end. Obviously a brilliant team but I'm sick of the bloody sight of them at this stage ha.
If there is any luck left in the world it should at long last fall with Mayo but they'll need more than luck to beat a great Dublin outfit.
If Mayo win I forecast an uncontrollable pitch invasion and one massive party.
If Dublin win I forecast them equalling and surpassing the four in a row uuuuugh.
Surely Mayo can't score two own goals this year. But then again...........
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Post by fitz on Sept 11, 2017 22:47:48 GMT
I find myself in the curious position of not really wishing to see either team win. I don't buy into the sentiment around Mayo. They just haven't been good enough to win and that's tough. And as for the Dubs. The hype machine knows no end. Obviously a brilliant team but I'm sick of the bloody sight of them at this stage ha. If there is any luck left in the world it should at long last fall with Mayo but they'll need more than luck to beat a great Dublin outfit. If Mayo win I forecast an uncontrollable pitch invasion and one massive party. If Dublin win I forecast them equalling and surpassing the four in a row uuuuugh. Surely Mayo can't score two own goals this year. But then again........... I agree on pitch invasion. The lines won't be held by the high vis jackets
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 11, 2017 23:17:22 GMT
I find myself in the curious position of not really wishing to see either team win. I don't buy into the sentiment around Mayo. They just haven't been good enough to win and that's tough. And as for the Dubs. The hype machine knows no end. Obviously a brilliant team but I'm sick of the bloody sight of them at this stage ha. If there is any luck left in the world it should at long last fall with Mayo but they'll need more than luck to beat a great Dublin outfit. If Mayo win I forecast an uncontrollable pitch invasion and one massive party. If Dublin win I forecast them equalling and surpassing the four in a row uuuuugh. Surely Mayo can't score two own goals this year. But then again........... I agree on pitch invasion. The lines won't be held by the high vis jackets Except the lads on Hill 16. They'll be stuck behind the perspex screen watching their brethren run amok on the pitch.
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Post by Aodhan on Sept 11, 2017 23:43:30 GMT
I agree on pitch invasion. The lines won't be held by the high vis jackets Except the lads on Hill 16. They'll be stuck behind the perspex screen watching their brethren run amok on the pitch. It would great to see a pitch invasion for the four-in-a-row minor team. All can resume their seats in a timely fashion afterwards.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 12, 2017 7:14:32 GMT
If this was a horse race Dublin would be hit with a lot of weight handicap. Between 2007 and 2015 Mayo got circa 300k for coaching. Dublin got 14m. Throw in the 1m a year from the sports council that goes back to when bertie was Taoiseach and you are looking at 25m. This excludes the AIG money. Add in the fact that ten of the Mayo panel are based in Dublin with a long commute to training ....basically David was given a fairer shake against goliath. Throw in home advantage and ..... Anything less than 7 in a row would see Dublin underachieving given the unique circumstances. In my opinion. Mick - if that 11m that brings it to 25m stands up to scrutiny, it is mind boggling money. Premier league teams would be envious. How can the difference be justified??? They've been given a €million to produce each individual position plus a M for each of 10 subs.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 12, 2017 8:24:40 GMT
These figures are correct as far as i can see...look at the thread on MONEY from a year ago.
The figure from 2005 to 2017 is probably 28m. The 25m was up to 2015.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 12, 2017 9:26:51 GMT
Croke Park becoming Dublin's home ground with the added Spring Series is also a huge factor.
Dublin will have the same dressing room, will warm up under the hill and will march on the stand side behind the band on Sunday.
Such familiarity gives Dublin a serious advantage each day in Croke Park.
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Post by jackiel on Sept 12, 2017 9:58:36 GMT
Except the lads on Hill 16. They'll be stuck behind the perspex screen watching their brethren run amok on the pitch. It would great to see a pitch invasion for the four-in-a-row minor team. All can resume their seats in a timely fashion afterwards. Don't lets get ahead of ourselves with the four in a row talk, that Derry side will be no pushover. As a steward I could not condone a pitch invasion in any circumstance but it would be lovely to have a good crowd around the presentation area if they do pull off the 4 in a row. I know tickets are very limited so I'll do my share of cheering for those who can't make it.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Sept 12, 2017 10:25:17 GMT
Who is d match ups likely to b for this one. Will Philly pick up O SE?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 12, 2017 10:49:08 GMT
Croke Park becoming Dublin's home ground with the added Spring Series is also a huge factor. Dublin will have the same dressing room, will warm up under the hill and will march on the stand side behind the band on Sunday. Such familiarity gives Dublin a serious advantage each day in Croke Park. Dublin fans are entitled to rejoice in their team reaching the summit for a few years like Tyrone, Meath, Kerry, Armagh etc etc have done in the past 30 years. But we are now firmly into phase 2 which will be to turn the all Ireland series into what the leinster championship has become. Tomas Se is taking rubbish about the Dubs growing old together. The average age of the team is falling.
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Post by Aodhan on Sept 12, 2017 13:16:50 GMT
It would great to see a pitch invasion for the four-in-a-row minor team. All can resume their seats in a timely fashion afterwards. Don't lets get ahead of ourselves with the four in a row talk, that Derry side will be no pushover. As a steward I could not condone a pitch invasion in any circumstance but it would be lovely to have a good crowd around the presentation area if they do pull off the 4 in a row. I know tickets are very limited so I'll do my share of cheering for those who can't make it. Maybe I should have added a smiley jackiel. My reply had nothing to do with Derry, just a response to skyblue's ball hopping. I fully recognize the challenge that Derry will impose. We only need to look back at the U17 semi to realize how a bigger stronger team can push aside a more skillful side at this age level.
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Post by jackiel on Sept 12, 2017 13:24:30 GMT
If I knew how myself I might have inserted a smiley or two as well. It would be great to have the excuse for a pitch invasion although the stewards have a pretty good handle on it and we haven't had a real invasion for some years.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 12, 2017 16:50:13 GMT
If I knew how myself I might have inserted a smiley or two as well. It would be great to have the excuse for a pitch invasion although the stewards have a pretty good handle on it and we haven't had a real invasion for some years. Ye'll have some job containing the Mayo crowd if they get this one over the line!!!
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 12, 2017 17:04:01 GMT
All logic points to Dublin but a nagging thought that this is Mayo's year keeps knawing away inside my head. The symmetry of their year (last won when they beat Kerry in a SF replay amongst others - hugely illogical I know) and the pattern of events (similarity to Kerry 2009) are suggesting to me that the Gods that influence such matters and cause the ball to bounce for or against one are about to conspire to end the long wait for Mayo - not smoking anything and have not been raiding the Christmas poitin supply.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 12, 2017 18:30:57 GMT
All logic points to Dublin but a nagging thought that this is Mayo's year keeps knawing away inside my head. The symmetry of their year (last won when they beat Kerry in a SF replay amongst others - hugely illogical I know) and the pattern of events (similarity to Kerry 2009) are suggesting to me that the Gods that influence such matters and cause the ball to bounce for or against one are about to conspire to end the long wait for Mayo - not smoking anything and have not been raiding the Christmas poitin supply. A Mayo win is not inconceivable but Dublin seem to have such range so much will have to go well for Mayo.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 12, 2017 19:30:13 GMT
The only games worth watching this year involved Mayo.
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Post by fitz on Sept 12, 2017 21:30:34 GMT
The only games worth watching this year involved Mayo. They played in all of them
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2017 7:57:52 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 13, 2017 8:36:29 GMT
Despite all the bull* about Leeroy pulling Dermos jersey last year, the reality is that Mayo have never been nasty enough to do what others do to win.
Mayo they will do so on sunday
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