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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 12:57:32 GMT
Good luck Fionn. Hopefully it works out for him.
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Post by southward on Dec 22, 2017 16:58:18 GMT
This craic of the County Champions nominating the Kerry captain should stop. Traditionally, I haven't had a problem with it but when was the last time we had a captain who would be a regular starter?
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 22, 2017 17:02:51 GMT
The alternative, a soulless captain for a decade. No thanks. Long term captains become fixed items of furniture.
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Post by ddtinexile on Dec 22, 2017 18:02:29 GMT
Same old, same old, Didn't think he'd be on the panel not to mind been captain.
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Post by ballynamona on Dec 22, 2017 18:50:38 GMT
Same old, same old, Didn't think he'd be on the panel not to mind been captain. It's down to the club. With the best will in the world, I would have hoped that by now Fionn and one or two others would have been ousted by the 'golden generation'.
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Post by playitfair on Dec 22, 2017 21:40:49 GMT
Thought he did very well when brought on in the all Ireland semi-final replay. Also captained Kerry to a league title win last year.
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Post by hatchetman on Dec 23, 2017 9:49:57 GMT
As Napoleon once said when discussing the Kerry captaincy conundrum "I would rather have a captain who was lucky than one who was good."
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 23, 2017 10:10:33 GMT
Exactly. Some get too caught up in the captaincy thing. Teams that appoint one are taking themselves too seriously.
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Post by veteran on Dec 23, 2017 12:00:00 GMT
As Napoleon once said when discussing the Kerry captaincy conundrum "I would rather have a captain who was lucky than one who was good." I suspect that Napoleun may not have been too familiar with Kerry football. A captain who is lucky rather than good may not be asked to line out in the battlefield. He is more likely to spend his time on the bench selecting his lotto numbers. I am sure Mr. Bonaparte would agree that activity was unlikely to advance the cause of the motherland.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 23, 2017 13:46:55 GMT
One of Micheal Donoghue's big decisions when he got the job was to appoint David Burke as captain. A brilliant and natural leader. Brilliant call by the manager.
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Burke to captain Galway Tuesday, February 2, 2016
By John Fallon
All-Star midfielder David Burke will lead Galway into action in 2016 after being handed the captaincy by new manager Micheal Donoghue.
Burke, who ironically hails from the same St Thomas club as former manager Anthony Cunningham, will captain Galway for the first time on Sunday week against Cork in Pearse Stadium.
Burke, who was also won an All-Star award in 2012, was vice-captain two years ago when Joe Canning skippered the side. In a reversal of roles Canning will this season serve as vice-captain.
The 26-year old, a school teacher in Loughrea, said it was a huge honour and one he was looking forward to.
“We have plenty of leaders on the team in any event, and plenty of mature lads. And I will be just doing the best that I can for Galway,” he said.
“Getting performances right is the main target, and maybe if you are playing well others will look up to you. So hopefully things will go well. I am really looking forward to it.”
Burke was joined by his five brothers as they guided St Thomas’ to win their first Galway championship in 2012, before they went on to win the All-Ireland club title in a side which was managed by his father John.
Burke won an All-Ireland U21 medal in 2011, a year after winning a league medal with Galway and he also won a Leinster SHC medal in 2012.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 16:00:38 GMT
Fionn has been named as captain for 2018. Best of luck to him. He will be lucky to even start next season - good club defender not a great inter county defender
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Post by Tadhgeen on Dec 23, 2017 17:12:21 GMT
Exactly. Some get too caught up in the captaincy thing. Teams that appoint one are taking themselves too seriously. Are You serious? Since God was a baby team’s have had captains , natural or otherwise.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 23, 2017 20:53:24 GMT
You have answered that yourself. All teams have natural captains and leaders in the dressing room that come to the surface. The actual captainy is only a representative thing. I wouldn't lose a minutes sleep over it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 9:23:02 GMT
I don't see fionn as a starter next year but he is certainly the type of player who can impact a game in the last 10 minutes. He has weaknesses defensively but he is cool under pressure and a very good distributor of the ball. The captaincy is no big deal and fionn will only be picked on merit not because of a decision his club took.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Dec 24, 2017 16:10:37 GMT
Murphy the keeper could be the only crokes starter next year.
I don't think we can really compensate for Buckleys lack of pace around the middle
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 24, 2017 16:52:36 GMT
Or it may slide towards Killian Young's direction.
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Post by piggott on Dec 25, 2017 13:56:38 GMT
Fionn may not be the greatest defender we ever had, but I struggle to find six or seven who can keep him off the team at present.
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Post by bannerman on Dec 26, 2017 21:00:55 GMT
Begley morley enright Murphy Crowley young Also, Gavin white, Tom sullivan,foley, Griffin That is ten ahead fionn, do you need ten backs on a 30 man panel
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 26, 2017 22:11:04 GMT
Who would nominate as captain if he had the chance?
I would say Paul Murphy. He would be a brilliant captain and leader in my opinion.
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Post by bannerman on Dec 26, 2017 22:16:39 GMT
Tadgh morley or killian young for captain
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Post by piggott on Dec 27, 2017 17:31:36 GMT
Begley morley enright Murphy Crowley young Also, Gavin white, Tom sullivan,foley, Griffin That is ten ahead fionn, do you need ten backs on a 30 man panel Morley, Murphy and Crowley definitely. Enright and Young were but are they still? The others have still to convince me.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 27, 2017 18:09:34 GMT
Paul Murphy & Paul Geaney are the only two automatic starters going into 2018. Crowley and JOD will also start. If you want the nailed on fixed item of furniture for a decade then it's one from the first two in the mould of a Cluxton or Murphy etc. Personally I rather drink P from a wellington than go down that dour, boring, sterile and emotionless route!
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Post by bannerman on Dec 27, 2017 19:42:44 GMT
Unfortunately kerrygold, there is more than the four you mentioned guaranteed their spot and are in the " undropable by eamon fitz category " Once fit, David Moran and killian young will start regardless form, you can throw d walsh into that bracket as well
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Post by bannerman on Dec 27, 2017 19:45:26 GMT
Piggot I would be very surprised if anyone on here had enright or young outside their first choice 8 to 10 defenders for 2018
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Post by piggott on Dec 27, 2017 21:29:46 GMT
Piggot I would be very surprised if anyone on here had enright or young outside their first choice 8 to 10 defenders for 2018 Maybe so, but both will be 31, slowing down. Fionn still has that bit of pace. What disappoints me is that the younger guys mentioned, while fine going forward, have been shown up when they have to defend.
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Post by bannerman on Dec 27, 2017 21:39:02 GMT
Shane and killian will not be 31 in 2018 I think it 29 possibly 30 Not much of a difference I know Yes you are right the skill tackling and defending is lacking Maybe going forward is best form of defence !!
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 27, 2017 22:11:57 GMT
Shane and killian will not be 31 in 2018 I think it 29 possibly 30 Not much of a difference I know Yes you are right the skill tackling and defending is lacking Maybe going forward is best form of defence !! Killian will be 31 in Jan next, Shane 30 in June.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 27, 2017 23:37:56 GMT
Unfortunately kerrygold, there is more than the four you mentioned guaranteed their spot and are in the " undropable by eamon fitz category " Once fit, David Moran and killian young will start regardless form, you can throw d walsh into that bracket as well Coming more from the perspective bannerman of who "should on merit" be the automatic starters on the Kerry team. Is there a player at the moment that fits the decade long captain type leader?
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Post by fitz on Dec 28, 2017 9:45:39 GMT
When the fat’s in the fire, the sh1t in/on the fan ( lash on any any more cliches you want) think of the players you will turn to expecting them to claw...the Captain above all for me needs to be one of, if not the most consistent performer on the team. Murph and Paul Geaney tick that box, the Bull Crowley right on their tails. Donaghy would be the automatic Captain but for his years. I’d just give it by a whisker to Geaney as scores tend to roust more than any other type of playing action, closely followed by the diving block and clean field.
On Fionn, love his composure and ball playing senses and decision making but am repeating, as a defender, too small, poor positional awareness, not fast or strong enough. Would love to eat the humble pie in 2018 but nothing I’ve seen over the past 3 years indicates I’ll need to
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 28, 2017 10:59:00 GMT
When the fat’s in the fire, the sh1t in/on the fan ( lash on any any more cliches you want) think of the players you will turn to expecting them to claw...the Captain above all for me needs to be one of, if not the most consistent performer on the team. Murph and Paul Geaney tick that box, the Bull Crowley right on their tails. Donaghy would be the automatic Captain but for his years. I’d just give it by a whisker to Geaney as scores tend to roust more than any other type of playing action, closely followed by the diving block and clean field. On Fionn, love his composure and ball playing senses and decision making but am repeating, as a defender, too small, poor positional awareness, not fast or strong enough. Would love to eat the humble pie in 2018 but nothing I’ve seen over the past 3 years indicates I’ll need to An emerging team needs a strong leader and the manager of an emerging team needs a strong captain. It matters not who is captain of Dublin at this stage.
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