kerryexile
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Post by kerryexile on Dec 9, 2017 0:14:34 GMT
Now that the new season is dawning on the horizon the old brain is beginning to become active again. Hibernation is over. I have been reading the posts. I don’t think that Pat O’Shea would bring anything to the set up. Club football is completely different to county football. To the best of my knowledge neither John Dowling nor James Hobbert trained inter county teams. Thinking that bringing in a basketball coach is a step forward is delusional. There is a huge wealth football wisdom available in Kerry. I don’t wish to be disrespectful in any way to Dublin but they don’t have that history but to fill the void they have very successfully brought in an amalgam of experts from other sports to bring success. Since 2011 they have won 5 AI finals. The average winning margin over the 5 finals is 1.4 points. In 4 of the 5 finals the winning margin was 1 pt. Now after winning 4 AI minor finals in a row and 4 AI colleges in a row, won by players that have been coached by teachers and coaches who are saturated in Kerry football, we are going to bring in a coach from another sport. The average winning margin in AI finals, by the 4 in a row minor team was 14 points.
Having been found wanting, tactically, this year and coming to the conclusion that the solution has to be imported from another sport is shocking.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 9, 2017 10:49:49 GMT
Is this the same Pat O'Shea that managed Kerry in 2007 when they retained the All Ireland.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 9, 2017 14:58:51 GMT
How much more has he learned in the last 10 years................
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 9, 2017 15:05:06 GMT
Now that the new season is dawning on the horizon the old brain is beginning to become active again. Hibernation is over. I have been reading the posts. I don’t think that Pat O’Shea would bring anything to the set up. Club football is completely different to county football. To the best of my knowledge neither John Dowling nor James Hobbert trained inter county teams. Thinking that bringing in a basketball coach is a step forward is delusional. There is a huge wealth football wisdom available in Kerry. I don’t wish to be disrespectful in any way to Dublin but they don’t have that history but to fill the void they have very successfully brought in an amalgam of experts from other sports to bring success. Since 2011 they have won 5 AI finals. The average winning margin over the 5 finals is 1.4 points. In 4 of the 5 finals the winning margin was 1 pt. Now after winning 4 AI minor finals in a row and 4 AI colleges in a row, won by players that have been coached by teachers and coaches who are saturated in Kerry football, we are going to bring in a coach from another sport. The average winning margin in AI finals, by the 4 in a row minor team was 14 points. Having been found wanting, tactically, this year and coming to the conclusion that the solution has to be imported from another sport is shocking. Valid post and opinions in fairness. We could ask, is Kerry doubting itself?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 9, 2017 19:37:48 GMT
Is this the same Pat O'Shea that managed Kerry in 2007 when they retained the All Wouldn't be my choice, The 2008 defeat when we should have beaten that Tyrone team and put that one to bed still rankles.
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Post by glengael on Dec 10, 2017 15:34:53 GMT
To be fair, a few more Kerry people besides Pat O'Shea could reasonably be held to account for 2008........(and I am not from Dr. Crokes).
I presume Currans will be closed doors for training. A far few access roads to seal off, not to mention the airport but there you go.............
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 11, 2017 7:51:14 GMT
To be fair, a few more Kerry people besides Pat O'Shea could reasonably be held to account for 2008........(and I am not from Dr. Crokes). I presume Currans will be closed doors for training. A far few access roads to seal off, not to mention the airport but there you go............. Should that not be access lanes?
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Post by mandad on Dec 11, 2017 11:46:45 GMT
Don’t be surprises if the ‘closed doors’ policy continues into the future and in Fitzgerald Stadium and not in Currans.
As a matter of interest, can anybody shed any light on the Currans project? When will it be fully completed and available for the purpose for which it was intended? Back in 2012, when this project was first mooted the estimated cost was £2.5m. It was envisaged that it could be completed by 2013. There have been several revised completion dates and the £2.5m has increased incrementally to the most recent number that I have read about, which is in the region of £8m. I understand that scheduling this task was based on completion of portions of the work by interim dates and was subjected to ongoing funding constraints etc., but at this stage it’s hard to avoid thinking that it has been beset by delays and cost overruns. Or is that unfair?
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 11, 2017 12:35:35 GMT
Some of the performances in recent years hardly required the closed door policy - Dublin 2015 & Mayo 2017 in the replay for example........................
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 13:42:20 GMT
I don't see the correlation. Do you think there be no closed door policy?
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 11, 2017 14:01:26 GMT
I think there should be some closed door policy. The Kerry team is for the people, it doesn't have to be locked away completely.
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Post by buck02 on Dec 11, 2017 14:36:44 GMT
Don’t be surprises if the ‘closed doors’ policy continues into the future and in Fitzgerald Stadium and not in Currans. As a matter of interest, can anybody shed any light on the Currans project? When will it be fully completed and available for the purpose for which it was intended? Back in 2012, when this project was first mooted the estimated cost was £2.5m. It was envisaged that it could be completed by 2013. There have been several revised completion dates and the £2.5m has increased incrementally to the most recent number that I have read about, which is in the region of £8m. I understand that scheduling this task was based on completion of portions of the work by interim dates and was subjected to ongoing funding constraints etc., but at this stage it’s hard to avoid thinking that it has been beset by delays and cost overruns. Or is that unfair? They had an "open day" for club delegates during the summer. The building is complete and 2 of the pitches I think. My recollection is that it will be ready for teams in the Spring. I also saw IT Tralee's centre is due to be completed in 2019.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 11, 2017 14:41:33 GMT
I think there should be some closed door policy. The Kerry team is for the people, it doesn't have to be locked away completely. From 2018 onwards there will be games on a more regular basis so "being behind closed doors" wont be as big an issue....apart maybe in the few weeks between semi final and final.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 11, 2017 15:45:04 GMT
Hopefully people will be able to wander in and out of Currans on a relatively casual basis.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 11, 2017 15:46:59 GMT
Don’t be surprises if the ‘closed doors’ policy continues into the future and in Fitzgerald Stadium and not in Currans. As a matter of interest, can anybody shed any light on the Currans project? When will it be fully completed and available for the purpose for which it was intended? Back in 2012, when this project was first mooted the estimated cost was £2.5m. It was envisaged that it could be completed by 2013. There have been several revised completion dates and the £2.5m has increased incrementally to the most recent number that I have read about, which is in the region of £8m. I understand that scheduling this task was based on completion of portions of the work by interim dates and was subjected to ongoing funding constraints etc., but at this stage it’s hard to avoid thinking that it has been beset by delays and cost overruns. Or is that unfair? What is the reasoning behind this comment in bold mandad?
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Post by mandad on Dec 11, 2017 19:07:51 GMT
I just feel that the management are comfortable in the set- up and surroundings that Fitzgerald Stadium affords them where you have one pitch and access and overview can be controlled. Training on a pitch will give the players a knowledge and familiarity that should be of some value when it comes to competitive games on that pitch. Small margins maybe, but significant nevertheless.
The same cannot be said of Currans where you will have five or six pitches as well as possible other activities going on simultaneously. Bearing in mind Eamon's propensity for secrecy/privacy I can’t see him being happy with that. Just my own opinion and time will tell. Something to think about while we romanticise the flowering of youth!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 11, 2017 20:13:03 GMT
I wonder what with rapid advances in technology just how effective the 'closed door' training policy is?
No, I'm not talking about the special branch effort that had a laddo fall out of a tree in Killarney.
I recall over 25 years ago using a Theodolite on a building site - at lunch we could identify a fella we knew driving a tractor in a field 10 miles away and there will be people who know infinitely more about this. Still I could safely say that from the right vantage point you can see what you want anywhere on the planet so all the 'closed door' does is to keep out the public, most of which are your own supporters.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 11, 2017 21:49:41 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 12, 2017 15:39:18 GMT
I just feel that the management are comfortable in the set- up and surroundings that Fitzgerald Stadium affords them where you have one pitch and access and overview can be controlled. Training on a pitch will give the players a knowledge and familiarity that should be of some value when it comes to competitive games on that pitch. Small margins maybe, but significant nevertheless. The same cannot be said of Currans where you will have five or six pitches as well as possible other activities going on simultaneously. Bearing in mind Eamon's propensity for secrecy/privacy I can’t see him being happy with that. Just my own opinion and time will tell. Something to think about while we romanticise the flowering of youth! Good point. I hadn't thought about that aspect of training in Killarney. There will also be a Super 8 game in Killarney next summer. I think the secrecy/closed door policy is over the top. There doesn't need to be a total removal of the team from the public. Kerry won 36 finals with the open door in Killarney. The closed door just strengthens the bubble around the players and desensitises the players from the fans. EF has been in that bubble for all of his adult life. I think a loosening of the closed door policy would be good for everyone.
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Post by mandad on Dec 12, 2017 16:39:11 GMT
The training set-up, whereby supporters are systematically excluded, could be better run and should be more responsive to the needs of its fans and local communities who traditionally attended in big numbers to watch the training. The unique bond between team and supporters that has been fostered through over a hundred years of community ownership has been needlessly diluted. If people feel left in the dark, they are likely to feel aggrieved, alienated and left out. Supporters want to be supportive, but not smothering. Why can’t the Tuesday night sessions be open to the public for instance and let the other sessions be behind closed doors? That arrangement would satisfy the supporters but I can't see any change going forward, unfortunately.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 13, 2017 11:40:43 GMT
The training set-up, whereby supporters are systematically excluded, could be better run and should be more responsive to the needs of its fans and local communities who traditionally attended in big numbers to watch the training. The unique bond between team and supporters that has been fostered through over a hundred years of community ownership has been needlessly diluted. If people feel left in the dark, they are likely to feel aggrieved, alienated and left out. Supporters want to be supportive, but not smothering. Why can’t the Tuesday night sessions be open to the public for instance and let the other sessions be behind closed doors? That arrangement would satisfy the supporters but I can't see any change going forward, unfortunately. Fully agree, we don't want future generations of Kerry supporters to become disenfranchised from the essence of being a Kerry fan. The team is for the people and the community.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Dec 20, 2017 9:29:45 GMT
Its only 6 weeks to the first round of the league against Donegal. Hopefully Eamonn has some sort of plan in place for the year with regards bringing in the youngsters.
Also if we give Clifford game time in the league and his not up to it then he should be released form the panel to play with the U20s. No point keeping him around the panel for championship just for the optics.
From talking to people the last few weeks there seems to be a bit of an apathy towards the Kerry team at the minute. Last year we were coming off giving the Dubs a fright and looking to build on that by blooding the young lads (which didnt really happen)
This year our last game in the championship was a hiding and the paucity of resources at our disposal was laid bare for all to see. There isn't the same anticipation of the young lads being blooded as it didn't happen last year.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 20, 2017 9:57:46 GMT
It's a big year for the current management setup.
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Post by buck02 on Dec 20, 2017 10:13:23 GMT
I just feel that the management are comfortable in the set- up and surroundings that Fitzgerald Stadium affords them where you have one pitch and access and overview can be controlled. Training on a pitch will give the players a knowledge and familiarity that should be of some value when it comes to competitive games on that pitch. Small margins maybe, but significant nevertheless. The same cannot be said of Currans where you will have five or six pitches as well as possible other activities going on simultaneously. Bearing in mind Eamon's propensity for secrecy/privacy I can’t see him being happy with that. Just my own opinion and time will tell. Something to think about while we romanticise the flowering of youth! www.kerrygaa.ie/news_detail/10033143/I managed to open the sample menus on my mobile, made for interesting reading.
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Post by piggott on Dec 21, 2017 21:03:44 GMT
I heard there was 10 newcomers and 10 gone from last year's panel.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Dec 21, 2017 21:25:50 GMT
I heard there was 10 newcomers and 10 gone from last year's panel. Who are the ten??? Sheehan Lyne Kealy included in that number? What defenders???
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Post by dart on Dec 22, 2017 7:22:15 GMT
Maybe it's for the best we don't see training when they come out with the dross we saw in the semis against Mayo.
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Post by buck02 on Dec 22, 2017 10:06:30 GMT
Fionn has been named as captain for 2018. Best of luck to him.
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 22, 2017 10:18:15 GMT
This craic of the County Champions nominating the Kerry captain should stop.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 22, 2017 12:43:37 GMT
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