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Post by gaelicden on Aug 26, 2017 15:47:17 GMT
Well that was poor by kerry there, let's move on, from my predictions a new jersey is in store, maybe an new manager? We still have the minors... As I mention that whoever is manager needs to bring youth to the dining table, we need yo become a power again, we need to be feared and there's youth there to make it happen, your thoughts
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Post by gaelicden on Aug 26, 2017 15:51:24 GMT
However, congrats to Mayo finally got over the Kerry hurdle, possibly ended a few careers as well 💥
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 18:58:44 GMT
It's going to be a long winter for Kerry. Fitzmaurice has to go. We start there. Can't go any further with him. Need some new faces to freshen it up. Shane Ryan and Shane Murphy are very good keepers so they are good there.
Briain O'Beaglaoich Jason Foley Tom O'Sullivan Gavin White Andrew Barry are all young players. Tadhg Morley Shane Enright Fionn Fitzgerald are still good backs. Mark Griffin possibly at 6 in the League. Killian Young at 31 could still be a good option. Peter Crowley and Paul Murphy of course will be there.
David Moran Jack Barry Brendan O'Sullivan of course and I would try Rob O'Se also. I think Anthony Maher is past it too now.
Stephen O'Brien John Buckley Philip O'Connor Darren O'Sullivan Brian O'Seanachain Sean O'Shea Killian Spillane BJ Keane Tomas O'Se Paul Geaney James O'Donaghue Jack Savage Liam Carey hopefully Kieran Donaghy.
Donnacha Walsh probably retire. Mikey Geaney and Jonathan Lyne not up to that Level. There are players out there to look at so we'll see what happens.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 26, 2017 19:27:16 GMT
It's going to be a long winter for Kerry. Fitzmaurice has to go. We start there. Can't go any further with him. Need some new faces to freshen it up. Shane Ryan and Shane Murphy are very good keepers so they are good there. Briain O'Beaglaoich Jason Foley Tom O'Sullivan Gavin White Andrew Barry are all young players. Tadhg Morley Shane Enright Fionn Fitzgerald are still good backs. Mark Griffin possibly at 6 in the League. Killian Young at 31 could still be a good option. Peter Crowley and Paul Murphy of course will be there. David Moran Jack Barry Brendan O'Sullivan of course and I would try Rob O'Se also. I think Anthony Maher is past it too now. Stephen O'Brien John Buckley Philip O'Connor Darren O'Sullivan Brian O'Seanachain Sean O'Shea Killian Spillane BJ Keane Tomas O'Se Paul Geaney James O'Donaghue Jack Savage Liam Carey hopefully Kieran Donaghy. Donnacha Walsh probably retire. Mikey Geaney and Jonathan Lyne not up to that Level. There are players out there to look at so we'll see what happens. As i said elsewhere, i'd think there will be four retirements Star, Maher, Donnacha Walsh and Sheehan. Quite a few others who just aren't up to it the likes of Kelly, Buckley etc and other eho imo just offer nothing at all.
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Post by hatchetman on Aug 26, 2017 19:33:01 GMT
To those wanting EF to go, who would you want to replace him? Jack ... didn't cover himself in glory with the u21s? Peter Keane ... does winning two minors with the Prodigious Clifford prove he is up to the demands of senior management?
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 26, 2017 19:45:21 GMT
The NFL 2018 has to be about the u21 players that will be in limbo next spring with the new u20 thing kicking in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 20:16:02 GMT
Fitzmaurice has been there since 2013. Long enough. We won't win an All Ireland with him again in my opinion. I said it after 2015. We have not gotten better. We are still a bit off Dublin. They would have hammered us today. We start completely new again. Tactically he's not up to it. I think a new backroom staff new players and a new start. It might some of the older players a new lift also. Things have gone stale with Fitzmaurice. The County needs a new leader in there for 2018. Maybe we look outside the County. Getting Donie Buckley back would also help us.
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Post by seamo on Aug 26, 2017 20:16:49 GMT
Like someone said,not sure change of management is best solution unless obvious replacement is there. EF and selectors have alot of experience and pedigree in coaching underage and senior teams, ain't like EF doesn't know how to manage a team to win Sam. Couple of things he needs to learn from and answer questions on however to make sure same mistakes aren't made again:
Shane Enright hung out to dry. Switch with another player or something but ~110 minutes to realise AM had the beating of him? EF has had enough time to develop plan B's.
Not allowing a player a play in county final to only sit on the bench and not see a minute of action in August? if he isn't good enough yet, fine but let him play football to develop.
Tactics...best foot passing county in Ireland, and we hand pass endlessly especially around middle third, runs are there too conservative further out.
Conveyor belt: 3 Junior AI titles in a row, 3 minor AI titles in a row, regular AI Intermediate and Junior club winners, senior AI club champions this year....conveyor belt is in overdrive talent being unused.
...Final note, don't know what others thought but aside from heroic performances from PGeaney and PMurphy, thought Jack Savage did very well, big improvement this year. Pace and skill to play in half forward line, ability to find ball, composure to play with head up and pass to start at centre forward...in my opinion!
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 26, 2017 22:11:08 GMT
Like someone said,not sure change of management is best solution unless obvious replacement is there. EF and selectors have alot of experience and pedigree in coaching underage and senior teams, ain't like EF doesn't know how to manage a team to win Sam. Couple of things he needs to learn from and answer questions on however to make sure same mistakes aren't made again: Shane Enright hung out to dry. Switch with another player or something but ~110 minutes to realise AM had the beating of him? EF has had enough time to develop plan B's. Not allowing a player a play in county final to only sit on the bench and not see a minute of action in August? if he isn't good enough yet, fine but let him play football to develop.Tactics...best foot passing county in Ireland, and we hand pass endlessly especially around middle third, runs are there too conservative further out. Conveyor belt: 3 Junior AI titles in a row, 3 minor AI titles in a row, regular AI Intermediate and Junior club winners, senior AI club champions this year....conveyor belt is in overdrive talent being unused. ...Final note, don't know what others thought but aside from heroic performances from PGeaney and PMurphy, thought Jack Savage did very well, big improvement this year. Pace and skill to play in half forward line, ability to find ball, composure to play with head up and pass to start at centre forward...in my opinion! That was crazy, I felt he would have been much better served by playing with the Juniors this year. The biggest issue imo with EF is his over resilience on older players. AOM and Marc weren't replaced this year, but one was really given a chance to replace them. Much the same with D Walsh, if he is to retire who will come in to replace them?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 26, 2017 23:29:56 GMT
Maher is a player I for one hope to see playing for another while yet.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 26, 2017 23:53:43 GMT
Where do you start? If EF stays he's backroom team needs a shakeup. I wonder about our S&C. We don't seem to have the power to break tackles. Liam Hassett was a joke the last two days. How can he analyse a game clearly with that carry on?
Why wasn't Ronan Shannahan nurtured in training through the Summer after a great league? Brendan O'Sullivan has been knocking around the panel for a few years now.What's the point if he won't even test him in championship?
We need some sort of defensive coach. Or even devise a plan and stick to it. Why are we so poor at the basics of defending?
I hope Maher stays. Injury free I think he is a better partner for Barry. He is more disciplined than Moran and can play the holding role and let Barry roam.
I think Kelly needs to be dropped. Always suspect under the highball and its not like his kick outs are worth keeping him either.
Donnachdha is not up to it anymore. Its not up to players when they retire. Buckley is too slow for this level. Ditto Sheehan. Lyne is a utility man that doesn't do anything particularly well. Griffin is not an inside back. Either is Killian. Give Foley the league in the full back position.
Give games to new lads in the league and persist with them. Not like the alternatives are any better. If we get relegated so be it. We need to broaden our playing base. Try to think outside the box. We are so one dimensional and easy to figure out.
Donaghy will retire I'd say.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2017 1:40:18 GMT
I am reliably informed that David Clifford has no interest in Oz and just wants to wear the green and gold.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 27, 2017 10:00:24 GMT
Where do you start? If EF stays he's backroom team needs a shakeup. I wonder about our S&C. We don't seem to have the power to break tackles. Liam Hassett was a joke the last two days. How can he analyse a game clearly with that carry on?Why wasn't Ronan Shannahan nurtured in training through the Summer after a great league? Brendan O'Sullivan has been knocking around the panel for a few years now.What's the point if he won't even test him in championship? We need some sort of defensive coach. Or even devise a plan and stick to it. Why are we so poor at the basics of defending? I hope Maher stays. Injury free I think he is a better partner for Barry. He is more disciplined than Moran and can play the holding role and let Barry roam. I think Kelly needs to be dropped. Always suspect under the highball and its not like his kick outs are worth keeping him either. Donnachdha is not up to it anymore. Its not up to players when they retire. Buckley is too slow for this level. Ditto Sheehan. Lyne is a utility man that doesn't do anything particularly well. Griffin is not an inside back. Either is Killian. Give Foley the league in the full back position. Give games to new lads in the league and persist with them. Not like the alternatives are any better. If we get relegated so be it. We need to broaden our playing base. Try to think outside the box. We are so one dimensional and easy to figure out. Donaghy will retire I'd say. Ha, Liam always did like a bit of theatre and amateur dramatics is his shtick. I hope his never left near the Kerry management job. An embarrassment yesterday as we lost discipline on the field and on the sideline.
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Post by bannerman on Aug 27, 2017 17:44:11 GMT
It is time for a managerial change But what is the alternative ? Jack connor just committed to u20 Promote Maurice Fitzgerald ? Leave eamon there for at least one more year and wait for Jack
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 17:47:43 GMT
Eamonn has one more year I believe
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Post by lár na páirce on Aug 27, 2017 19:23:36 GMT
First thing that needs to change is the Kerry senior managers attitude towards the clubs,This Sunday the last round of the co.lge will be played and it will be the first game county players will be allowed play.
Sean O Sé one of our brightest prospects wasnt allowed play in a U21 county final (Probably a once in a lifetime opportunity) because Eamon & Co. wanted him to warm a bench 6 days later
Look at James O Donoghue a forward who is struggling for confidence,Nobody thought him playing in one or two club games he would find his confidence again after kicking 5/6 pts a game?
The wrapping up of county players in cotton wool is a disaster and needs to be changed ASAP.
Can anyone answer me this question?
Gavin Crowley is training with Kerry probably since November,Since then how many games of football has he played?
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 27, 2017 19:27:08 GMT
Taking Sean O'Shea out of the county u21 final is a step too far.
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Post by titanium on Aug 27, 2017 19:33:18 GMT
Taking Sean O'Shea out of the county u21 final is a step too far. Ya twas a cruel enough thing to do to the young fella. Twas made even worse by the fact that most reckon EF had no intention of useing him. Just back up for the back up back up! Someone mentioned Liam Kerins earlier. I'd like to see him getting his cahance
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Post by lár na páirce on Aug 27, 2017 19:54:58 GMT
Taking Sean O'Shea out of the county u21 final is a step too far. It's all a slippery slope,,Our club scene is the envy of all ireland,We have excellent championships and divisional cups,But the one competition that the other counties really envy is our county leagues,5 divisions of seriously competitive teams but we are destroying it instead of embracing it. If we continue to neglect this competition teams will no longer take it serious and more and more guys will shoot away for the summer,Divisons will be full of walkovers and their will be very little competitive football for long periods. How can we then keep the bar so high for our clubs to ensure they are producing the next Kerry footballers?
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Post by Hicser on Aug 27, 2017 20:14:40 GMT
What a breath of fresh air this thread is How exciting it would be to give youth its chance. We saw the youngster from Dublin lightening up Croke Park, hopefully we will see Clifford do something similar next year. I think Kearns deserves a look, he has done well in a couple of counties. It would be interesting as he would have no baggage at all. One thing that has always bugged me is guys being rested for the league, to build a proper team surely it's better being together all year?
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Post by mitchelsontour on Aug 27, 2017 20:15:22 GMT
First thing that needs to change is the Kerry senior managers attitude towards the clubs,This Sunday the last round of the co.lge will be played and it will be the first game county players will be allowed play. Sean O Sé one of our brightest prospects wasnt allowed play in a U21 county final (Probably a once in a lifetime opportunity) because Eamon & Co. wanted him to warm a bench 6 days later Look at James O Donoghue a forward who is struggling for confidence,Nobody thought him playing in one or two club games he would find his confidence again after kicking 5/6 pts a game? The wrapping up of county players in cotton wool is a disaster and needs to be changed ASAP. Can anyone answer me this question? Gavin Crowley is training with Kerry probably since November,Since then how many games of football has he played? This is one of the keys to players being switched on for competitive football. Training games can never take the place of real competition and injuries can happen just as easily in training as in a game. Players want to play what use is it to them to play 4 games since April with 3 or 4 weeks between them. You cannot remain focused and sharp only having inter squad games where everyone knows each other moves and tricks inside out. A change in attitude by management is needed on this one.
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Post by piggott on Aug 27, 2017 20:30:37 GMT
Eamonn has one more year I believe OK if he has. He needs a new system and a backroom team who can read a game and debate changes there on the sideline. This messaging Corcoran who then passes it on to EF, who throws it out to Hassett, and then seems to make the ultimate decision himself , is a joke
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 28, 2017 10:12:01 GMT
In fairness to gooch he is saying a lot of what everyone is thinking. Is it time to write off a season or tow and just get more players into the setup. We will still be competitive just prob not all Ireland winners. I would take a relegation from Division 1 if it meant we broadened our panel a bit.
How many lads played on Saturday that weren't involved in the Mayo Games in 2014? By my reckoning only Morley out of the backs, Barry from midfield and Tom O'Sullivan were not involved in 2014 replay. Thats a fairly damning stat.
Out of the 21 players used last sunday 18 played in the replay. Probably only the retirements of Mahony and Marc meant it wasn't higher. Of the 21 players used on Sunday only Stephen O'Brien, Paul Murphy, Morely, Barry, Geaney, Tom O'Sullivan and Mark Griffin have made their chmapionship debuts under Fitzmaurice.
Thats 8 out of 21. That looks fine until you look at the Kerry team in the last championship match before he took over when we lost to Donegal. From that starting team alone there have been 7 retirements. I know they were some of the best players we ever produced but, you still need to be replacing them.
Is it that Fitzmaurice is innately conservative or that we don't have the players in the county to force their way unto the panel?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 28, 2017 10:27:14 GMT
Your question is the million dollar one.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 28, 2017 10:39:58 GMT
All the talk about the great players coming through from the 3 in a row minor teams, I wonder who people think can realistically make the step up to senior level over the next 3 years.
I'll start the debate.
GK - Shane Ryan
BACKS - Briain Begley, Tom Sullivan, Jason Foley, Gavin White, Dan O Brien, David Naughton.
MF - Unfortunately only Mark O Connor
FORWARDS - Killian Spillane, Sean O Shea, Dara Moynihan, David Clifford, David Shaw.
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Post by glengael on Aug 28, 2017 11:12:24 GMT
Have we any sign of a reliable long range kicker emerging for the 45's/frees etc?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 28, 2017 11:18:08 GMT
Have we any sign of a reliable long range kicker emerging for the 45's/frees etc? I imagine this is something a player has to go away and work on and put their hands up for.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2017 11:22:55 GMT
All the talk about the great players coming through from the 3 in a row minor teams, I wonder who people think can realistically make the step up to senior level over the next 3 years. I'll start the debate. GK - Shane Ryan BACKS - Briain Begley, Tom Sullivan, Jason Foley, Gavin White, Dan O Brien, David Naughton. MF - Unfortunately only Mark O Connor FORWARDS - Killian Spillane, Sean O Shea, Dara Moynihan, David Clifford, David Shaw. Midfield will be the elephant in the room in building the next Kerry team!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2017 11:24:19 GMT
Have we any sign of a reliable long range kicker emerging for the 45's/frees etc? David Clifford kicked two 50s in the semi final.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Aug 28, 2017 11:33:13 GMT
Seanie Shea is also well able to kick placed balls
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